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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,21,22,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:42 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe <b>this</b> should be the new Trek series.<p><BR><A HREF="http://members.aol.com/filmman17/horizon.jpg">Image 1</A><br><BR><A HREF="http://members.aol.com/filmman17/horizon2.jpg">Image 2</A><BR><P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships" TARGET=_blank>The Starship Encyclopedia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Baloo</b> <br /><small>Member # 5</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,21,22,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 21, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Looks good from here. Now if only TPTB at Paramount could overcome their "not invented here" phobia.<P>--Baloo<P>------------------<BR>It is less important that you agree with me than it is for you to to understand what I'm saying.<P><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~Bob_Baloo/index.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://members.tripod.com/~Bob_Baloo/index.htm</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,0,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The <i>Horizon</i>? Weren't they the idiots that left <i>Chicago Mobs of the Twenties</i> on Iotia? A show about a <i>Daedalus</i> may not be bad, but not that one... :-)<P>------------------<BR>"Alright, so it's impossible. How long will it take?"<BR>-Commander Adams, <I>Forbidden Planet</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,2,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:02 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Here are three more:<P><A HREF="http://members.aol.com/filmman17/horizon3.jpg">Image 3</A><br><BR><A HREF="http://members.aol.com/filmman17/horizon4.jpg">Image 3</A><br><BR><A HREF="http://members.aol.com/filmman17/horizon5.jpg">Image 3</A><P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships" TARGET=_blank>The Starship Encyclopedia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,2,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:04 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>THE TOP 5 REASONS WHY <font color="#1ff8ff">STAR TREK:</font> <font color="#ffd43b">HORIZON</font> WOULD BE A GOOD SERIES TO DO AFTER VOYAGER</b><P>5) Series takes place 100 years before TOS, so sets and props can be even cheaper looking -- and cheaper to make -- than TOS sets and props.<P>4) No transporters, so the crew must use shuttles for every single away mission, providing ample opportunities for accidents, crash landings, etc.<P>3) This period in Federation history is not well documented, so continuity can be thrown to the wind!<P>2) No one from any of the other Trek series can do any cross-overs (except for Q).<P>And the top reason why <font color="#1ff8ff">Star Trek:</font> <font color="#ffd43b">Horizon</font> would be a good series to do after Voyager...<P>1) <b><font color="#ff0000"><blink>NO PRIME DIRECTIVE</blink></font></b><P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships" TARGET=_blank>The Starship Encyclopedia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Laz1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,2,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:17 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yep, that was the Horizon that left the book on Iotia. It also was destroyed shortly after leaving Iotia. Come to think of it, most of the Daedalus class ships we know of met bad fates. We know what happened to the Essex from TNG's "Power Play", and we know what happened to the Archon from TOS's "Return of the Archons". Maybe the show should be Star Trek: Daedalus. <P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://www.pacificnet.net/~filmman/starships" TARGET=_blank>The Starship Encyclopedia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,3,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 5.) Uh...you are aware that historical dramas are expensive, yes? And that is essentially what we're talking about here. A conscious effort to make things look retro without looking like crap. That isn't cheap or easy.<P>4.) I can't quite figure out how increasing the number of "shuttle in peril" stories is a good thing...<P>3.) Ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!<P>2.) Again, I wouldn't consider this an inherintly good thing. Nor is it a bad thing. It's just...a thing. But not a thing to build a show around.<P>1.) This doesn't strike me as a good thing at all.<P>But I do like your promotional posters. Very nice.<P>------------------<BR>"And if we weren't good to you, Dave, you shouldn't take it all the way to your grave."<BR>--<BR>Will Rigby <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,9,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:19 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> O.k. let me just say that I like the idea of doing a dawn of the Federation series. I think it could be great and that time period is ripe with possibilities.<P>Now let me tell you why I think it will never happen:<P>1. The creators will never go back to the "cheesy' cardboard look of the original series after all the new fangled stuff in TNG. Not that it couldn't be done to look great, it just won't happen.<P>2. There's no connection with the current series and non fans would never tune in. Again, not a bad thing, it just won't happen.<P>3. While the Daedalus Class is a cool design for the era, they'll never put it on screen everyweek when they could have Defiant's doing fly by's with pulse phasers blasting.<P>Again, I think this would make a great series. I think it's already being done in the comics though. Maybe we should lobby for a canon comic series of this era. <P>------------------<BR>"Resolve and thou art free." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,10,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I agree with Aban Rune. Now that everything looks cool and sleek, there is no way back to TOS or even Pre-TOS. Not that I wouldn't like it, but there are just too many restrictions to props, ships and overall style. Actually, continuity would be even more important, since nothing revolutionary is supposed to happen during that time. Just think of the frequent discoveries of "entirely new" energy, silicon or whatever exotic species or new weapons or ships. There can be nothing like that in a Pre-TOS series, the only revolutionary things to be developed we already know: phasers, pho-torps, transporters and subspace radio. Interesting for most of us, but not that exciting for the many wannabe-fans out there and thus not an option for Paramount.<P>------------------<BR>"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way."<BR>A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness"<BR><A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>Ex Astris Scientia</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starbuck</b> <br /><small>Member # 153</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,10,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:06 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Tell you what...<BR>Write some scripts or stories and I'll put them on my website when it's up <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"Replicate some marmalade, Commander - helm control is toast!" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>First of Two</b> <br /><small>Member # 16</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,10,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:58 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Initial thought upon seeing and hearing about this concept:<P>"Star Trek: Episode 1: The Phantom Galaxy."<P>If that idea isn't enough to make your stomach launch your lunch...<P>------------------<BR>Calvin: "No efficiency, no accountability... I tell you, Hobbes, it's a lousy way to run a Universe." -- Bill Watterson<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Epoch</b> <br /><small>Member # 136</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,22,12,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:29 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Sounds good and would watch it, but I don't think it will happen. As everyone else has said it just doesn't have the ability for the flare of tech like the other series and that is what is likely to drawn new viewers.<P>------------------<BR>Death before Dishonor!<BR>However Dishonor has <BR>quite a disputed defintion.<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Montgomery</b> <br /><small>Member # 23</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,10,23,16,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 23, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's an excellent idea <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/biggrin.gif">, full of scope!<BR>It gets true fans like us widen our eyes and wonder at what wonders it could contain.<P>In other words, it's a series that Paramount would never make. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/frown.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"You will be swept away....<BR>You, your men, your ship, your WORLDS!"<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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