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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

Ok, we know there are fourteen planets in the Bajoran system, eight terrestrial, three gas giants, and three balls of ice and rock. Does anybody want to take a guess which of the terrestrial planets is actually Bajor( Prime )?

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

It would have to be one of the inner ones to be in the habitably zone. I'm assuming the first 8 planets are the rock ones (going off our own planet system for reference). I'd say somewhere between 4 and 6.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Of course, new discoveries showing gas giants close to their stars are beginning to call into doubt the idea that our Solar System is "typical".

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

True. But looking at the diagram in the DS9 tech manual, we can make a couple assumptions. It's not one far from the DS9 orbit. And I doubt it's one of the two out of the orbital plane of the rest of them. Also, after they changed their orbit, I don't ever remember them normalizing their orbit around the sun. So this would mean that DS9's orbit would tangentally touch Bajor's orbit. And looking at the picture, planet #4 touches DS9's that way. So unless there are any other arguements, I'd say it's a pretty good assumption that it's the fourth planet.

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

Ok, thats two out of three posts....fourth planet it is...thanks everybody.

Does anybody want to take a guess on what the Cardassian home system would look like?

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Well, I would imagine that Cardassia Prime is close to it's sun. The Cardassians are reptilian, and repitles flourish in the desert.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

That, and it has been explicitly stated that Cardassians are accustomed to a much warmer climate than the average class-M dweller...

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

What about the episode with Tanha Los?? That Runabout hid behind Bajor 8... and it was a rocky planet...

Also how many moons does Bajor have?? Jeraddo is one of them from "Progress"

Andrew

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

According to the Encyclopedia Bajor has at least five moons. Jeraddo the fifth moon was was rendered unexceptable for general habitation due to the release of toxic gases during the tapping of its molten core.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Actually, the runabout in "Past Prologue" hid behind the lower moon (out of two?) of Bajor VIII, according to the dialogue. So the planet itself wasn't necessarily seen, and the grey and apparently airless thing in the windows was just the lower moon.

Which is just as well, since the dialogue also established that there were six large Bajoran colonies on the planet. Probably this is a class M world, or something in the L to N range anyway, since I doubt the Bajorans would have had the resources to establish colonies in harsh conditions (unbreathable atmosphere etc).

Other places of interest in the Bajoran system include the Lunar V resistance base which almost certainly was on the fifth moon of Bajor itself. Which is odd, since the fifth moon is supposed to be Jerrado, the one tapped for power. Shouldn't Kira have mentioned to Mullibok in "Progress" that there had been resistance bases there? And shouldn't the toxification of the moon have been a story point when Kira and Dax visited one of the bases in "The Siege"?

Also, why only 47 people on Jerrado, when it's clearly class M and the other class M world, much farther away from Bajor, has "hundreds of thousands of people"? Did the Cardassians evict Jerrado dwellers for some reason, but let the Bajor VIII colonists stay?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Isn't it strange how novels explain some of these discussions of ours?

Well, sort of. In the new DS9 Millienium trilogy, Bajor and it's moons are featured somewhat. And according to these novels, Jerrado is a lot closer than the fifth moon. In fact, it's the second or so. I don't quite remember as it's been some time since I read the novel. Apparently, Jerrado had been colonized for what appeared to be millenia (!) before it was tapped for a power source (according to the novel, using technology perfected by the Klingons after the Praxis incident).

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Maybe Jeraddo was already evacuated except for those 47?

Maybe there are only a few islands on the entire planetoid!?!

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Hey, that island theory is a good one! Mullibok claimed he was among the first to come "here", and so far we've thought "here" was on the moon. But perhaps "here" only meant that specific island on the moon, and other islands were already inhabited?

Bajorans must originally have had some incentive to go and colonize their moon and Bajor VIII, but it probably wasn't curiosity. Bajorans aren't great explorers or anything - after all, there's a mountain on Bajor that nobody has scaled, even if there's been civilization on the planet for *hundreds of thousands* of years! So once a couple of islands on Jeraddo met their needs, they never explored the others, and so left one free for Mullibok to use.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I have a theory about Bajor 8 being habitable. Is it possible for more than one planet to have the same orbit? For example, two planets the same distance from the sun, but on opposite sides of the sun. Maybe Bajor is a very crowded system, with two or three planets sharing orbital distances. This could place Bajor 8 about where Mars is from our sun.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"Lunar V" needn't be on the fifth moon. It would simply be the fifth such base to be established on a moon.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

*agrees w/Tim's above post*

On DS9's orbit. The tangental orbit idea is curious, but I can't see there being any evidence that this was the case. AFAIK, the writers have always worked with the concept that the Denorios Belt was in about the same position as the Asteroid Belt in our system, and that Bajor and Earth's locations are also reasonably analagous. IIRC, the travel time of 6 hours was once floated as being the DS9-to-Bajor travel time, presumably @ impulse.

Back to the topic of Cardassia. Cardassia IV (from The Circle Trilogy) was shown to be a separate M-class planet to Cardassia Prime, so we can eliminate one number. IIRC, the term Cardassia III was floated around at some point. Might that be Cardassia Prime?

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Doesn't "Prime" refer to the first planet in the system?

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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :

I think so. That's how I've always heard it.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

That would make Mercury "Sol Prime." Sounds kinda stupid in that context, eh?

Methinks that the "prime" refers to the central planet, the homeworld. Thus, "Sol Prime" would be Earth because of its uniqueness in the system & being the origin of humanity. Bajor could also be called "Bajor Prime" given...well, yeah.

This theory works because we've never actually heard or seen a reference to the "Cardassian Union;" we only know that's the formal political name becasue of the Encyclopedia & DS9 manual. Any mention has just been of "Cardassia." Given that, the use of "Cardassia Prime" indicates the homeworld, the central power base.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I've always understood it that way also. "Prime" denotes the main planet, not necessarily the first.

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

Wasn't there a Cardassia Prime in the Chintoka system?

What would be some good masses and diameters of planets in the bajoran system. (Educated Guess)

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Erm... No. There may have been a "Chin'toka Prime", or something. But Cardassia Prime is in the Cardassia system...

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

Chintaka is in the Chintaka system, Cardassia Prime is in the Cardassian system. You might have got mixed up when Sisko said that were going into invade Cardassia which he meant Cardassian territory.

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

Oops...ok, sorry about that.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Are you sure no one ever said the words "Cardassian Union" onscreen? I'm sure I can remember Dukat or Damar using it in one of their speeches.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

I am all but positive I heard Damar say "Cardassian Union" in the final arc. And, IIRC, it might have been used in TNG at one point.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Maybe there was a ref or 3...even if there was, it doesn't invalidate what I said. The whole entity is referred to as "Cardassia" 99.9998% of the time.

Funny that they do things like that....like there are no other races living within the confines of the Klingon, Romulan, or Cardassian empires....or the Ferengi Alliance (which just may BE a trade alliance).

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

Any thoughts....
Macromedia Flash is required...
What should I change?
Color?
Layout?

I realize the technobabble isn't quite up to spec yet, but bear with me. This for the most part is my second draft, so it's not quite as polished yet. http://www.geocities.com/bear33t/bajor5tac.html

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Well I reckon that Hypuria is within the alliance - i.e. where Meyharduu comes from along with Hypurian bettle snuff... even though most don't think or do you? But legends of the Ferengi mentions that the ferengi - do go to war sometimes - and that they conquered Hypuria once...

Also, the Breen sold them warp drive for their polar caps and a few icy moons.

Xendi Sabu (where the "battle" of Maxia occured) could have been on the outskirts of Ferengi Space... also that the Ferengi were unknown then, AND that Picard was in the Stargazer, which yeah could get around, but was also in the Cardassian wars...

Ferenginar is near the CU... for Quark and co. to be on Terok Nor a few years before First contact between the Federation and the Ferengi.

Andrew

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I've gotto say Bear, you do some nice Flash stuff... that and your Maquis fighter anims etc! Nice work!

Andrew

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :

Oops...Thanks Andrew

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