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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>BJ_O</b> <br /><small>Member # 858</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,6,22,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 06, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:46 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This is based on something I doodled up before "Enterprise" came on the air, shortly after it was announced it was a prequel series. This is just one of my ideas on how a much older ship would look. You can see evidence of current technology as well as future technology in it, including a bit from the DY-100, namely the bridge. Behind the bridge are clamshell doors like on the space shuttle. The nacelles are taken directly from my other ship that I posted a while ago. I may tweek that later, when I update the ship itself with more details and better fills.<br /> <img src="http://www.mindspring.com/~bj.o/BJ_art/aldrin.jpg" alt=" - " /> <br /><br />B.J. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,7,1,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 07, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:11 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Neat! But I think you need to beef up the framework connecting the two halves of the ship. Perhaps you could string fuel tanks along the spine. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Harry</b> <br /><small>Member # 265</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,7,1,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 07, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:45 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I like the basic shape. I agree with Sol about the spine.<br /><br />i think the deflector-dish housing is a bit small. Especially the way the dish is connected. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,7,3,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 07, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:38 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nice design.<br /><br />some points if I may? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />-Maybe: some more 'bracing' on the hull?<br />- Nacelles not so streamlines - more Daedelus/Phoenix-ish<br />-The under half of the saucer more Daedelus-like<br /><br />What do current 'docking ports' look like... are they round? What are they on the Ent-Nil?<br /><br />Maybe an Antenna array a la Matt Jefferies design ideas for the Enterprise?<br /><br />The Deflector Dish more 'bulky' and 'attached' to the hull like the Daedelus version?<br /><br />Andrew <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,7,8,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 07, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:15 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I like that design, too! The long boom reminds me of the <i>Discovery</i> from "2001: A Space Odyssey."<br /><br />I agree with the points above, especially making the boom a little "stronger" looking. I'd also suggest beefing up the primary hull area, making it even blockier, though not necessarily with sharp corners. Just less streamlined. The deflector dish area is a good place to start. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>BJ_O</b> <br /><small>Member # 858</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,8,21,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 08, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:58 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Here's the update. I'll see how this is received before I try to do a top view. I did put in a box beam type of spine, although personally I like the truss structure. The nacelles are now based loosely on the Phoenix's. Added lots of small details, including overhauling the sub-light engine and the deflector housing.<br /><br />MM: After your <i>Discovery</i> comment, I seriously considered putting in an AE35 unit along the spine! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> I may yet go back and see how that looks...<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.mindspring.com/~bj.o/BJ_art/aldrin2.jpg" alt=" - " /> <br /><br />B.J. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Red Admiral</b> <br /><small>Member # 602</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,9,11,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 09, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:35 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Looking very nice. A very cool design concept. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Matrix</b> <br /><small>Member # 376</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,9,12,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 09, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:33 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I like it. Kind of neat looking if you ask me. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> <br /><small>Member # 6</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,9,16,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 09, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:12 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Neat!<br /><br />There are quite a few new ideas in the design. I like the redesign better, but maybe you can try to add something like tanks or other structures to the connecting dorsal. Just an idea. I think it shouldn't stay naked. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,9,21,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 09, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:03 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> NICE!<br /><br />I like the original lattice connecting section too.<br /><br />Nice nacelles.<br /><br />A lil bit more detail on the hull (the white parts)'d be nice. Maybe more like lines or maybe even just little doo-hickies that were located about the TOS Enterprise?<br /><br />I love the cone at the back<br /><br />And MAYBE the nacelles could be closer to the hull a la the Fortunate!?!<br /><br />Oh, also the lattice-structure could be longer... maybe emphasising the 'fantastic energies' that are being generated by the nacelles and that part of the ship!?! And the whole M/AM hazard!?! Maybe the injection system has to be longer or something?<br /><br />Oh and is the little yellow square towards the aft section something like the plaque found on the Pioneer probes!?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Nice.<br /><br />Andrew <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Colorful Cartman</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,10,7,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 10, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:02 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> That redesign rates highly on my SleekOMeter. <i>But</i>, I think the connecting dorsal's a bit too stretched out. It looks rather fragile... maybe if you added some objects this'd be less noticable. Simply cutting the thing in half might also work (drastic alternative, I know). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>BJ_O</b> <br /><small>Member # 858</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,10,20,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 10, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:12 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Thanks for the comments! I agree that I need to do something to the big gray areas on the main hull, so I'll get around to that eventually.<br /><br />Andrew: The yellow plate is actually a feature swiped from the aft fuselage of the space shuttle. I <i>think</i> that it's where you can get access to some subsystems and/or refueling port, but I'm not sure, but that's what it's doing on my design.<br /><br />As for the spine, unless I (or someone else) can come up with something that would look really good, I'll just leave it blank.<br /><br />B.J. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,11,12,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 11, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:40 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This will depend on what kind of purpose you intend for this design of yours, BJ_O. But I dug up a few examples from B5 ships, which occasionally sported something similar to the boom.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.b5tech.com/earthalliance/earthallianceshipsandvessels/earthcapships/explorer/explorer.html" target="_blank">This design</a> was basically a long boom with lots of equipment mounted along it. Someone already mentioned some small deuterium tanks -- wouldn't it make sense for early ships to have ejectable tanks in case of emergency? (Although you've already got the big engine nozzles.)<br /><br />Then there's the <a href="http://www.b5tech.com/earthalliance/earthallianceshipsandvessels/earthcapships/explorer/explorer.html" target="_blank">gunboat design</a>, where there were some relatively heavy cannons mounted. I wouldn't recommend anything nearly so extreme, of course -- Trek has never been big on external weaponry anyway. But maybe mounting a couple defensive plasma cannons or something would be an idea to fill some space.<br /><br />And finally, I also agree with the suggestion that you lengthen the boom a bit. For one thing, it would be a neat homage to "2001" if you had a ship with similar proportions -- though obviously not the same shapes at either end.<br /><br />And speaking of "2001," I like your idea of putting a satellite dish on the boom... that would look neat, and also give a "retro" look to the design. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>BJ_O</b> <br /><small>Member # 858</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,14,22,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 14, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:46 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Okay, here's another major update to this design, plus a top view.<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.mindspring.com/~bj.o/BJ_art/aldrin3.jpg" alt=" - " /> <br /><br />As you can see, I added the AE35 unit, and it looks pretty good to me. Some might say that there's a line of sight problem with the warp nacelles, but I figure it can extend to be above the nacelles if need be. Besides, it doesn't look as good on the bottom. Also added lots of details and gridlines.<br /><br />As for this thing's function, I figure it's early enough in Earth's warp history to merely be a solar system explorer at around warp 1.3 or so. The AE35 unit could probably be an off-axis comm system plus some other planetary senors. The clamshell doors would be too small for a contemporary planetfall shuttle, so the bay would be filled with probes and maybe a space-only transport. Comments?<br /><br />B.J. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,15,6,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 15, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:05 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's a RIPPER! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />WOO!<br /><br />My preference is for the first type of 'neck-scaffolding'... the middle bit... the see-through version with a conduit down the middle... you know the one.<br /><br />Anyway! GREAT SHIP!<br /><br />One more small nit/suggestion - the deflector dish underneath... maybe you could make it more... 'low tech'?? Less TOS-ish, a bit more 'raw' like the other things on the ship...<br /><br />And, I can't remember did the Phoenix have a blue glow on it's nacelles? (ignoring the Akiraprise I think that the glowy stuff is more TMP-> tech)<br /><br />Really do like it though.<br /><br />I reckon, indeed it is a solar-system explorer and maybe even a few attempts at reaching a few closer stars or even the oort cloud and just beyond.<br /><br />NICE!<br /><br />I wonder where it would have been built... maybe off the ISS? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Matrix</b> <br /><small>Member # 376</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,15,8,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 15, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, that's a great design. I like it alot. The only thing that bothers me is that saucer section, looks too streamlined if you know what I mean. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wraith</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,15,11,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 15, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Wow! Very nice design. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,15,16,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 15, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> That is really, really cool.<br /><br />I must say that I too prefer the original neck/scaffolding design, and additionally, I also liked the first set of nacelles better.<br /><br />Top-notch work!<br /><br />-<b>MMoM</b> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,15,19,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 15, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:14 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I like the rounder nacelles Mim, cause when they become 'flattened' it points to the more futuristic/late 23rd -> 24th century nacelles. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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