Here's something new for you folks, a 24th Century long-range shuttle, based on a design for the Korolev-Class Captain's Yacht that we're developing over at ASDB.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I like everything except the "ball thingies" at the ends of the nacelles. Posted by Lobo (Member # 669) on :
Thats a nice shuttle but the decals looks more like Post-TNG. But that's not so really important!
Lobo
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
yeah, most post-TOS ships have no balls.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Lobo: The markings are indeed of the post-TNG era.
Jason & Mike: Correct, nacelle balls aren't that common but there's nothing to say that a 24th Century design can't have them. If I recall correctly the Enterprise-E has a set of balls on the MSD, although they are internal components and cannot be seen on the exterior.
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
no i meant they have NO BALLS!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Word.
If anything qualifies as a runabout, this should.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That would be nice, if it weren't for the fact that the Danube-Class were the first ever Runabouts. The distinction between a long range shuttle and a Runabout, as far as I can see is simple; Runabouts are mini starships complete with weapons, a scientific sensor suite and modular mission pods. A long range shuttle is just a big shuttle with no weapons, a standard sensor package and an inflight movie. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm not arguing canon here. I'm just saying if anything qualifies as a runabout, this would. Since it isn't "real" we don't have to worry about that, though, do we?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Fair enough. I hate to split hairs like this but I do try to keep my designs as consistant with cannon as possible.
For those who are interested here is the Korolev-Class Captain's Yacht on which this shuttle is based and an set of deck plans to boot.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Well, this gets into the realm of picky rationalizations that I often hate, but perhaps the term "runabout" was something new specifically for the Danube-class. (Along with the runabouts being the first small-size starships with their own NCC- numbers.)
However, the distinction between long-range shuttles and runabouts is probably sufficient already. Posted by Nimpim (Member # 205) on :
It looks like a cross btw the Sovvie Captain's Yacht and Data's Scout. Very nice, but aesthetically hardly Pre-TNG. More like, Post-VOY.
If anything is a long-range shuttle, it's the class the SS Raven belongs to. The thing is basically a buffed-up Runabout, I can only dream of how the Maquis would've tweaked it if they'd gotten hold of a few. Mmmm...
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
To quote from the DS9 Tech manual:-
"The runabout is a true multirole starship with engine efficiencies and cargo capacities proportional to larger vessels"
This does seam to clearly define what a Runabout is and when you take into account the dialogue in (DS9) "Paradise" it's clear that the term runabout is a relatively recent one. The confusion with long range shuttles and Runabouts probably arise because of the similar size and configuration of the craft. It may also be worth noting that a long range shuttle was mention in the TMP radio chatter, apparently they have been in use for some time. Indeed you may also classify Spock's "Surak" courier as such.
Nimpin: I think the Raven is just a little too big to be considered a shuttle, more like a small science/colony vessel. However given it's small size and apparent landing capabilities, in it's day it may have filled some of the roles that the Runabouts would later take over.
As for the style it was based largely on Proberts early Type-7 concepts (this is most evident in that Yacht), hence the forward opening door and connected cockpit window.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: As for the style it was based largely on Proberts early Type-7 concepts (this is most evident in that Yacht), hence the forward opening door and connected cockpit window.
Ha! I thought the same thing. But for being pre-TNG there are too many corners. Seems something Eaves would have come up with. For pre-TNG, I'd add some more organic lines, for the front window and the pylons for example.
You could try to add some bussard collectors instead of type 6-hexagonal front ends for the nacelles.
Did I forget something? Oh yes, looks fantastic (as always). Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Nice design, especially the rear fantail. I like the fact that it's not flat bottomed, like usual shuttles.
It's going to have some sort of landing skids, I assume?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Ha! I thought the same thing. But for being pre-TNG there are too many corners. Seems something Eaves would have come up with. For pre-TNG, I'd add some more organic lines, for the front window and the pylons for example.
Those corners were necessary since I had already drawn the bottom half of the yacht, including the rim on the new Korolev side view.
quote:You could try to add some bussard collectors instead of type 6-hexagonal front ends for the nacelles.
The nacelle design is supposed to be inspired by the W359 marker pen nacelles. I think the ramscoops are only exposed on the forward face of the nacelle housing so you'll be able to see them when I get around to doing a front view.
quote:Masao: Nice design, especially the rear fantail. I like the fact that it's not flat bottomed, like usual shuttles.
It's about 37m long, it can afford to have space wasting curves
quote: It's going to have some sort of landing skids, I assume?
If you look at the side cutaway you can just about see the landing claws. I made them similar to Voyager's legs because that the way I had placed the forward gear hatch so high, a simple skid would be a little unstable. Aside from that it looks cool. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I agree with Amasov... the front is too... futuristic and very Eaves-ish.
The the 'lip' looks like the Sabre lip.
The underside of the forward section I wouldn't make so 'empty' - bulge it out - like the Season 1 TNG shuttle - it's got like a 'frog throat'.
Then it'd be nice! Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
My one suggestion would be that the registry is probably way too high for a pre-TNG build. Depending on how far back you think she is, I'd suggest either mid/high 6xxxx's, or something in the 70xxx range (which would put her as concurrent to the GCS). 74xxx (her current reg) is up in just-post-TNG territory, a la Voyager.
Of course, it's true that just how registries work is a bit up in the air, but it's safe to follow the general pattern.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
You forget that this is not the prototype but just one random ship of the class. Who says they skipped production? Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:AndrewR: I agree with Amasov... the front is too... futuristic and very Eaves-ish.
It's supposed to be futuristic, it is the 24th Century.
quote: The the 'lip' looks like the Sabre lip.
It dose? What's wrong with that then?
quote: The underside of the forward section I wouldn't make so 'empty' - bulge it out - like the Season 1 TNG shuttle - it's got like a 'frog throat'.
As I've said before, the design of the bow is already a fixed design, since that the part that is exposed on the Korolev. Besides, bulging out a ship of this size like that would only serve to create unnecessary atmospheric drag.
quote:Cpt. Kyle Amasov: You forget that this is not the prototype but just one random ship of the class. Who says they skipped production?
I'm afraid your both wrong. That's the name and reg of it's mother ship, remember that only Runabout have their own NCC numbers. The shuttle's own name disappeared because of a layering error on my part, the name is Binky.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: the name is Binky.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well I couldn't really call it "Luggage" now, could I? Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :
Very well thought out design. I can not wait to see your final product. Keep up the great work. What else are you working on other than the aquashuttle?
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