Does anyone have access to screenshots showing where the escape pods are stowed? The episodes with the destruction of Defiant and Valiant I suppose.
Examination of the DS9 plans don't jibe with my recollections.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
This shot shows the escpae pod hatches behind the bridge, I forget where I got it from.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Many thanks. 4 down.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
Here are some more shots. There are two hatches between the Bridge and the deflector on the top and two more on the underside either side of the shuttlebay.
BTW, i was wondering, were any shuttles shown ditching the wrecked Defiant, or was it just pods?I'm writing my Chaffee entry in the Galactopedia and was wondering if it survived.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
If we'd seen the Chaffee, someone would've mentioned it by now. I highly doubt it, as Foundation had nothing to do with this epsiode.
Mark
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Didn't Chaffee survive but then get destroyed on the thoughtscape planet in the Mission Gamma novels, Mike?
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
The Chaffee or any of the shuttlepods weren't used here. I think the only reason Odo escaped in a shuttlepod in "The Search" was his need to reach the Omarion Nebula. The rest of the crew used escape pods in "The Search" likewise.
The open hatches allow us to count 12 pods which supposedly hold six people (Voyager uses the same type), so there is room for 72 people which is more than enough given the ship's usual complement of 47-50.
Note that the forward dorsal hatches of the Valiant are a little closer to the edge than those on the Defiant:
Right. 12 pods - as usual the DS9 plans are inaccurate.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
As a matter of interest, I count 10 escape pods leaving the Defiant before she's destroyed. That even makes sense considering the number of people aboard. Nifty.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Unlike the Valiant, the Defiant's crew was considerably more alive. I guess the number of pods made sends, though even the maximum would. Pods are not likely to wait around too long before ejecting.
I'm more curious as to why the escape pods' launch (and navigation?) systems seemed fully functional when everything ELSE was knocked offline by the Breen weapon... I suppose that the launch systems were manual explosives or something, and navigation may have been offline - though the pods seemed to be travelling in less-than-random directions.
Mark
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
The Defiant's crew rushed to the pods while the Valiant's crew was indoctrinated to wait a while. Although the same number of dorsal pods were ejected, we don't know how many people were actually inside, or whether the four ventral pods were ejected at all.
Furthermore, some of the Valiant's pods were also destroyed following ejection, whereas Weyoun specifically ordered that the escaped crew be left alive, IIRC.
Boris
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
^ Yep, the Founder wanted plenty of demoralised troops to go home and tell their friends about their entire fleet being disabled and destroyed by the Dominion's newest member.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: I'm more curious as to why the escape pods' launch (and navigation?) systems seemed fully functional when everything ELSE was knocked offline by the Breen weapon... I suppose that the launch systems were manual explosives or something, and navigation may have been offline - though the pods seemed to be travelling in less-than-random directions.
The thing I'd like to know is how Ezri (or was it O'Brien?) knew where the hull breaches were.
Posted by Herr Kapitan Mike (Member # 709) on :
Yes.. in the Mission Gamma series, the Chaffee was the one that was sheared in half when Commander Vaughn, Ensign ch'Thane and Ensign Tenmei crashed on the Thoughtscape Planet. I was wondering if it could have been the same shuttle recovered from Defiant and assigned to the Sao Paulo-Defiant. Far-fetched, but since no one mentioned the shuttles in the ep, i assume they might've gone down with the ship.
The Defiant's other shuttle, the Sagan, was damaged at the Vahni Vahltupani homeworld, when Ensign Roness died, but then repaired and used in the next two novels.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Yep, I'd assume the shuttles went down with the ship.
Anyway, shouldn't this thread be in the Starship & Technology forum?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Because Treknophyle is probably working on some TOP SECRET project that somehow involves the Argo shuttle and the Defiant escape pods.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
Maybe the shuttles weren't aboard. The bays could've been used to store extra supplies, weapons for instance. The shot that took out the Defiant was even aimed at the shuttlebay.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
1 - The escape pods are probably flight-ready (especially during a red alert) - just climb in, close the door and punch a button. A shuttle has to be pre-flighted, the hangar doors have to be opened - that could take up to 5 minutes - time a soon-to-detonate ship doesn't have.
2 - As soon as the destruction of the Chaffee was reported, another fresh-off-the-line shuttle was probably given its name. Tradition.
3 - What secret project? Everyone knows what I'm up to.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Why didn't they ever use the 'warhead-packed' nose in a few of their 'last ditch' times. Worf in FC in particular.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Why didn't they ever use the 'warhead-packed' nose in a few of their 'last ditch' times. Worf in FC in particular.
Because the DS9TM is full of shit.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ewwwwww - then what is the 'nose' full of!?! Wasn't the Nose also supposed to be some escape mechanism as per 'The Art of Star Trek'?
Andrew
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
According to the DS9TM, the nose is a detachable unit with a command center and a small impulse engine. It contains the navigational deflector for the ship and well as a huge photon warhead.
Now... I don't necessarily mind this idea. If I was building a ship that was going to be seeking out and destroying Borg... I'd want a sure fire way to destroy the ship if my butt was about to be assimilated.
My guess is, in First Contact, when Worf ordered Conn to prepare for ramming speed... this is what he had in mind. The ship was probably built to be the best weapon it could be in a situation where the only thing left to do was ram the Borg.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
I still wonder why they didn't ram at o.99c. At such speeds, the ship isn't a missile, it's an energy state. A warhead would be moot.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Heh. With Einsteinian (sp.?) physics, they'd also practically never get there Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah but don't you get relativistic effects by doing that?? Forgotten my year 12 physics - but your time slows down and theirs speeds up? Relatively. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's not canon, but Nog (smart little monkey) used th warhead to scrag a Jem Hadar attack ship in one of the recent books. ...although, I guess everyone ouuld have had to be beamed off the Defiant as the docking port is in the warhead.... Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The hatch between the main part of the ship and the warhead probably serves as the gangway hatch in case the warhead was separated. I'd also put in a secondary deflector in the area is well.
But I'd always thought that putting the main hatch in the nose was stupid. It's not visible on any model and if it were, where would you put it. The whole front is dedicated to the main deflector and the torpedo/probe launcher/phaser bank. You could place it a little further up in the nose under some protective hull plating, but it wouldn't work with how they dock the Defiant to DS9, because that area would still be exposed to space.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
I know it doesn't quite mesh with where it looks like the ship docks at DS9, but the Defiant's deck 3 floorplan indicates there are two gangways side by side. They'd be partially beneath the sandy colored details on the nose of the Defiant just above the registry. They'd have to slide open at an angle the same way the hallway between the Galaxy Class saucer and stardrive sections.
It doesn't really matter that the Defaint has the retracting doors as detail on the outer hull...after all, look at the shot of the escape pods hatches opening to either side of the nose in "Valiant"...the hatches don't correspond to actual hull details from the outside.
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