The De Ruyter class is a science vessel with a powerful sensor package. It's possibly used to conduct subspace research or something similar.
The name comes from the 17th century Dutch Admiral Michiel Adriaansz. de Ruyter (and no, it isn't spelled "deRuyter" ).
[ February 17, 2003, 12:42 AM: Message edited by: Harry ]
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
holy CRAP!
I love it. Especially the side view. The kind of snub nose look is really unique.
Perhaps one suggestion... I wonder what it would look like with the nacelles angled upwards from the hull instead of going straight out to the sides. Just curious.
That is one sweet ship though.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Harry, that looks GREAT! Amazing! Incredible!
I'm not sure I like the elliptical shape of the saucer personally, but there's certainly nothing that says any TOS-era ships CAN'T have that shape. And it does make the ship look more distinctive, not to mention expanding the internal volume of the saucer without drastically altering the overall dimensions...
I like the little equipment bay in the aft undercut... I'm reminded of the Excelsior's open section there -- it looks like it's (partially) hollow to allow the mounting of large equipment pieces.
Structural comment: I like the horizontal arrangement of the nacelles as it is, but it occurred to me that they're not 50% line-of-sight. Also, though the impulse engines to make sense where they are (especially with those fuel tank bulges), I'm wondering if they might be better placed along the aft part of the secondary hull which would probably hold most of the engineering equipment -- especially considering that as a science-oriented ship, having more room in the saucer for the labs would be a Good Thing. (But you probably already have a different idea for the arrangement, of course!)
At any rate, nitpicks aside, I can easily see this ship as a contemporary or recent predecessor of the Constitution. Great job!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
man, I uausally hate TOS design, but that is really nice.....if only we'd get to seee stuff like that as Enterprise goes on.... Nice work.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: man, I uausally hate TOS design
TEH LACK OF Br0g K!LLING P0wAr!!!1!!! lolx omg got you down?
Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :
Personally, I love TOS designs. Great Job Harry. I can really appreciate originality and you have it. I can not wait to see the other ships you were talking about designing mentioned in the Misc. TOS Ships thread. Keep up the great work. Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: man, I uausally hate TOS design, but that is really nice.....if only we'd get to seee stuff like that as Enterprise goes on.... Nice work.
So, lets see one in 2500 scale, hehe. If that's a CAGE era ship, I wonder what the TOS era ship would look like. I tend to agree that angled necelles might be an improvement.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Wow. Very nice indeed. Fits in with Masao's Museum designs as well. Ahhh... continuety Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Continuity with regards to the Musuem is of course not a complete coincidence. There's no need to invalidate Masao's ships.
Woozle: The S.S. Tromp is the TOS version.
MinuteaMan: The aft of the secondary hull already has a shuttlebay. I think the impulse engines are close enough to the secondary hull to have most of the machinery actually in there.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Where's South America? Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, if I recall the line correctly, only one continent would appear to be included. True, it could reasonably be either.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Wouldn't that make it the American Continents Institute? I don't know. Perhaps you're right.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
by the look of the old guys in 'The Cage' it should be more like the American Incontinent Institute! LOLz OMG !!!!1!!!!
*dies*
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Nice ship, Harry. Weren't you the one complaining a few weeks ago that you were out of ideas?
I'd leave the nacelles where they are, sitting right above the saucer.
Some nitpicky drawing stuff You need a ring indicating the outer edge of the flat part on the top of the bridge (outside the dome). Also, some lines are needed to indicate the intersection of the secondary hull with the flat part of the big primary hull mound. Now you have them merging together with just a shadow.
If this is a science ship, maybe some more sensor panels on the flat part of the primary hull.?
I would also make the base of the main deflector more complex. Instead of just sticking the dish on to the hull, add some of those concentric rings. Also, since the mounting of the dish is in a little cave, you need to indicate the edge of hull at the cave opening and throw the cave into shadow.
The L-shaped things beside the bridge are located near the impulse deck on Enterprise, so I assume they have something to do with the drive.
For your ACI emblem, I suggest you open up the lettering a bit more, especially for "institute."
BTW: Your scale bar is confusing. It's labeled 50 meters, but is divided into four sections (of 12.5 m each?). Also, the abbreviation for meter is a lower case m, not a capital M (which means 1 million).
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Also for the ACI logo, the north of Canada isn't one big landmass, but rather lots of islands. Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Also, is this organization separate from the American Cometary Institute that apparently was mentioned in "The Cage"?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Re: scale bar. It was originally supposed to be a 100 m. bar, but that turned out to be a little too big. Hence the four segments. And there's no lowercase m in Fleet Old School.
You're right, a line between the secondary hull and the saucer wouldn't hurt. And I just needed some shapes to fill that flat surface.
Cometary!? Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Uh, that's how I keep hearing it after having first seen it translated that way in the subtitles... Then again, my copy of "The Cage" isn't exactly DVD quality.
Timo Saloniemi
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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I know my logo is geographically challenged. I've just ripped that pic from one of the 'letters' in the Webdings font.
I've added and changed some small things. Masao, I already tried a Constitution like installation for the deflector dish, but it didn't quite work. I think I'll leave it at this.
[ January 31, 2003, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: Harry ]
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
its an TOS akira class Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Looks like it would be a good planetary surveyor or colony ship with that huge honkin shuttle bay. How long is she? I could probably build one without too much difficulty.....
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
The display in TNG Q-pid says "Continent".
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Akira: its an TOS akira class
No. Go away.
I wouldn't want to use this as a colony ship. It's really quite small. I don't know the exact size out of my head, but it's certainly shorter than the Constitution. Planetary surveyor sounds better, I think that's what the ACI ship can do.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Out of curiosity, I measured your first version, Harry. It's 185 meters. (I wanted to compare it alongside the Constitution.)
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: Also, is this organization separate from the American Cometary Institute that apparently was mentioned in "The Cage"?
Er...no.
This question came up before. I checked my copy of the episode. Haskins said "American Continent Institute."
-MMoM Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
That flattened half circle you've used to indicate the fantail undercut beneath the main deflector on the front view seems strange. The deflector housing is quite narrow at that point but the half circle is quite wide. I'm thinking it should be more oval. You need to use some temporary hull contour lines to get the width right.
The back fantail also seems a bit bright.
The intersection between the secondary hull and the bridge seems to have a lip, since you have a white highlight at the right edge. Move the grey all the way to the right.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
a Shape of forward undercut a Shading of aft undercut a Shading of secondary hull
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