It took me a while but I finally got around to finishing off my Neutronic fuel carrier design.
And here's the gravitic mine magnet herself.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmm... I like the bridge... kinda sticks out. Cool. I also dig the support struts, especially on the front and aft views.
Nice work.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Wow, those look great! Though the forward pod looks a bit weird... IMO it might look better if it were better connected to the main hull.
Still, that's a great design! Looks very reasonable, and stays true to the canonical dimensions.
(Oh, and I thought you'd actually drawn the gravitic mine before that second inline image loaded. I missed the word "magnet" reading it the first time. )
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Aww.. look at those cute little nacelles! I like this ship.
It even fits the specs seen on the Enterprise viewscreen in TWOK Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Pastor: "It took me a while but I finally got around to finishing off my Neutronic fuel carrier design." "And here's the gravitic mine magnet herself."
Bad combination.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Hmmm... I like the bridge... kinda sticks out. Cool.
I was going for an oil tanker/starship troopers/star destroyer kind of look for the bridge. 180o windows seamed the best way to achieve that.
quote: Wow, those look great! Though the forward pod looks a bit weird... IMO it might look better if it were better connected to the main hull.
I originally had a large structure there but it made it look too much like the TAS robot drones for my tastes. Besides it's a nice design tie-in with the Antares
quote: It even fits the specs seen on the Enterprise viewscreen in TWOK
That's the whole reason why I designed this in the first place, none of the fandom versions that I've come across are even remotely close to the on-screen specs. Most illogical.
quote: Pastor: "It took me a while but I finally got around to finishing off my Neutronic fuel carrier design." "And here's the gravitic mine magnet herself."
Bad combination.
Which begs the question; just what is Neutronic fuel anyway? And who the hell is Pastor?
Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
Very cool. I even like the use of Kanji characters on the Kobayashi Maru.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I have a shiney penny for the clever lad who can spot the three not so deliberate mistakes on those schematics.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
The Kobayashi Maru has a canon design, does it not? The FASA Role-playing game came up with a 3-view design and even a metal miniature for the game. The specs seen in Trek II are even written similar to the kinds of specs given in FASA publications. The design of the FASA Kobayashi Maru shows up on a screen in TNG "Conspiracy" from season 1 I believe.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I notice two mistakes. The orange band behind the bussard isn't visible on the top view, and the red bands on the fuel pods don't wrap around the rear on the side view. Are those the ones you mean?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Very cool. I even like the use of Kanji characters on the Kobayashi Maru.
Credit must go to Masao for that one.
quote: The Kobayashi Maru has a canon design, does it not? The FASA Role-playing game came up with a 3-view design and even a metal miniature for the game. The specs seen in Trek II are even written similar to the kinds of specs given in FASA publications. The design of the FASA Kobayashi Maru shows up on a screen in TNG "Conspiracy" from season 1 I believe.
If this is that Fandom design that I've seen then it's simply wrong because the dimensions don't match up. If that design was flashed onscreen then it still can't be THE Kobayashi Maru, it has to be a different one that knowone cares about.
Originally posted by Masao
quote: I notice two mistakes. The orange band behind the bussard isn't visible on the top view...
Close, I meant to change the orange band to silver which I did on the top view but forgot about on the side view.
quote: and the red bands on the fuel pods don't wrap around the rear on the side view. Are those the ones you mean?
Shit, you bastard. You could have pointed this out BEFORE I send Bernd the "corrected" schematics.
Oh well tough poopies, we'll just pretend that those stripes aren't there. *sticks fingers in ears and hums very loudly*
Git. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
So, do I get the penny?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I like it. No nitpicks except one about nomenclature. To be technically correct, any vessel bearing a Maru suffix should not have an 'S.S.' prefix. (That of course is in reference only to the first picture, [the "Shika Maru", which I assume is supposed to be the Shiku Maru from TNG "Darmok"] of course, as your Kobayashi Maru already bears no prefix.)
-MMoM Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: To be technically correct, any vessel bearing a Maru suffix should not have an 'S.S.' prefix.
quote: (That of course is in reference only to the first picture, [the "Shika Maru", which I assume is supposed to be the Shiku Maru from TNG "Darmok"] of course, as your Kobayashi Maru already bears no prefix.)
Can someone please confirm which spelling is correct since I've been told off for using both of them now. I have been once told that Shiku was a typo.
As for the S.S. thing I'm going along with Masao on this one, it can be both. Perhaps the Maru part is kept as a tradition by some Japanese descended human colonies for their ships while the S.S. part is a necessary suffix for all Non-Starfleet Federation ships
I didn't give the Kobayashi Maru an S.S. on the hull because I figured that it's part of a private fleet which would have a certain amount of latitude in their marking schemes that wouldn't necessarily be granted to a federation freighter like the Shiku/a Maru.
quote: "Maru" is the Japanese word for "ship" (or something similar), right?
It means "Circle", what that has to do with naming boats is a little beyond me at the moment.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
UPDATE
This should correct all the previously noted errors. I've also tried putting in a grid behind the plans to add a little depth, what do you think? Keep them or loose them?
I wish I'd noticed this sooner, but I was taking a closer look at the forward view and the deflector dish pod. If my perspective is right, I think that the connecting "neck" structure is way too thin in width. People have to get down there, right? Even if it's a civilian ship, automation isn't exactly the most prevalent feature of the time.
Still, that's a barely noticeable detail, so you probably don't have to worry about it if you're sick of edits. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
1. I'm almost positive that it's Shiku Maru. 2. Maru is a Japanese suffix that indicates civilian registry. (As we would think of the prefix S.S., though I see from Masao's post that the somewhat redundant use of *both* is not unheard of.)
-MMoM Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
You can't fool me! Those are two sides of THE SAME PENNY!
I think for identification on the hull itself, I would omit "SS. " Then below the name on the stern put the home port. Or does UFP take the place of the home port?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I would think that there are "stars of registry." This was something that I worked with a lot. We all know that each ship has a Federation-assigned prefix & number: NDT-50446, NGL-1063, etc.
Then I started thinking about how boats in the US all have their own registry codes--the state prefix & then numbers. This all grew out of building civilian Trek models, mind you. So I started assigning prefix codes to Federation member planets, colonies, & the like. Each planet, et. al. had a single-, double-, or triple-letter planetary code prefix to denote star-of-registry.
Thus Earth vessels had a T (for "Terra"), Andor was A, Vulcan a V, Tellar was Tr. The Moon was L (for Luna), Europa was E. Bajor was Bj, Bajor VIII was Br. The Rigel worlds got assigned R, Ri, Rg, Re, & Rl. Ultima Thule was UT & Altair III & Vi got AT & AL respectively.
So the Shiku Maru would be Federation vessel NGL-7723, & her portcode of G776123 would show her to be operated out of or by parties based on Ganymede.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The front view looks like an insect - the nacelles the wings, the 'fuel tubes' and their grapples the legs and - some food or something!
Any chance of a version with no pods and the 'grapples' retracted?
nice work.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: I wish I'd noticed this sooner, but I was taking a closer look at the forward view and the deflector dish pod. If my perspective is right, I think that the connecting "neck" structure is way too thin in width. People have to get down there, right? Even if it's a civilian ship, automation isn't exactly the most prevalent feature of the time.
By my reckoning that pylon is about three meters thick, just enough room for a Jefferies ladder or a narrow stairwell me thinks.
quote: 1. I'm almost positive that it's Shiku Maru.
Almost isn't good enough spanky.
quote: 2. Maru is a Japanese suffix that indicates civilian registry. (As we would think of the prefix S.S., though I see from Masao's post that the somewhat redundant use of *both* is not unheard of.)
A neutronic fuel tanker in a fleet that runs on hydrogen; now that's what I call redundant.
quote: You can't fool me! Those are two sides of THE SAME PENNY!
Don't make me slap you.
quote:I think for identification on the hull itself, I would omit "SS. " Then below the name on the stern put the home port. Or does UFP take the place of the home port?
I think the registy prefix displays the planet of origin, although Shik is wrong in his scheme since it appears that NAR is the Earth Prefix and NSP is a good possibility for the Vulcan code.
quote: Any chance of a version with no pods and the 'grapples' retracted?
They are already retracted.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Just checked the "Darmok" script:
quote:DATA The Children of Tama were called "incomprehensible" by Captain Silvestri of the Shiku Maru. Other accounts are comparable.
I think that about settles it.
-MMoM Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any chance of a version with no pods and the 'grapples' retracted? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They are already retracted.
So they don't go in any further if there are no PODS there? So you could have more pods there? Or you didn't get what 'grapples' I was referring to?
Andrew - who read the title as Futronic Neul Carrier - how's that for a little bit of assonance!?!
Futronic Mule carrier perhaps!?!
Heh heh Mule.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Just checked the "Darmok" script:
quote:DATA The Children of Tama were called "incomprehensible" by Captain Silvestri of the Shiku Maru. Other accounts are comparable.
I think that about settles it.
-MMoM
Not if it's a typo.
What do are resident Japanese speakers think about this, are they both real words or is just one of them right?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Futronic Mule carrier perhaps!?!
Heh heh Mule.
No no... that's the "Foundation" movie they're making, not "Wrath of Khan." Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :
I was wondering when you were going to finish your Class 3 Neutronic Fuel Carrier. She looks great. I really like your attention to detail. Are you planning on any other designs?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Futon and Mule carrier Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I looked up both Shika and Shiku. Shika = dentistry; deer/stag; regular retail price (literally, market price; good for a Ferengi ship). Also woman's name, a place name, and the name of a nuke plant.
Shiku = verse, stanza, line of poem; to equal or compare; to spread, cover, or lay out (as with a futon!). Also a place name, a family name, and word to describe a dull pain (shiku shiku).
So, it could be either one. I couldn't find any particular anime references.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
There's a character called "Nara Shikamaru" in an anime series called "Naruto". Or so says Google.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Ah, one word. That's got to be the source.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
If that means I don't have to change the plans again, then I'm sold.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Whatever. I go with scripts and CC whenever possible. They're your plans.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
As regards what neutronic fuel is, remember that the TNG-era fleet (and probably the film and TOS eras, as well, if not even earlier) use Deuterium and anti-Hydrogen as reactants, and more of the former than the latter, due to fusion reactor fuel requirements. Deuterium being a Hydrogen atom with a neutron, it makes sense to me that a tanker carrying slush Deuterium would be hauling neutronic fuel from Deuterium refineries to fleet support bases and civilian refuelling depots. This as distinct from the antimatter tankers Rick referred to in his TNG TM. Be a good idea to keep the two separate...
--Jonah
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
The registry of the Kobayashi Maru is "Amber, Tau Ceti IV". This is a rather bizarre and singular registry.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
"I like traffic lights, but only when they're..."
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Has anyone of you artists ever tried doing the Lotus neutronic fuel carrier and the Orion wanderer? We have diagrams of those from Fasa, but I for one would love to see better and bigger versions. Remind me, was there more of the Fasa designs shown on screen?
Also, anyone have bigger scans of the above mentioned? I only have small versions, like 500x.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Hell, I want to see the Romulan Nova, Winged Defender, Bright One, and a few others modeled in proper "transitional" colours (from the white-with-painted-bird of TOS to all green with feather-patterned hull plates) to fill in the massive gap between the old Bird-of-Prey and the D'Deridex. I would absolutely squeal in delight if the warships involved in the Tomed Incident were Novas.
--Jonah
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: As regards what neutronic fuel is, remember that the TNG-era fleet (and probably the film and TOS eras, as well, if not even earlier) use Deuterium and anti-Hydrogen as reactants, and more of the former than the latter, due to fusion reactor fuel requirements. Deuterium being a Hydrogen atom with a neutron, it makes sense to me that a tanker carrying slush Deuterium would be hauling neutronic fuel from Deuterium refineries to fleet support bases and civilian refuelling depots. This as distinct from the antimatter tankers Rick referred to in his TNG TM. Be a good idea to keep the two separate...
So neutronic fuel is just another term for Deuterium? That's simple enough.
quote: The registry of the Kobayashi Maru is "Amber, Tau Ceti IV". This is a rather bizarre and singular registry.
I conjecture that "Amber" is the name of the fuel or shipping company that owns the KM and "Tau Ceti IV" is simply the planet from which this particular fuel carrier operates from. Hence the logo.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I think Amber is the city on Tau Ceti IV. My step-father is in the Coast Guard. I know well what a "vessel's registry" is. It's more-or-less synonymous with home port, with the connotation of "where is this ship registered so we can go there in case there's some problem?"...
--Jonah
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Ok so the City started life as a fuel depo for the Amber company and over time it grew to become a major trading station and a city in it's own right, so they named it Amber city. Happy? Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: Hell, I want to see the Romulan Nova, Winged Defender, Bright One, and a few others modeled in proper "transitional" colours (from the white-with-painted-bird of TOS to all green with feather-patterned hull plates) to fill in the massive gap between the old Bird-of-Prey and the D'Deridex.
Well, it's not a FASA design, but I was intrigued by the color design on the Romulan Stormbird (converted D-7) and painted my FASA mini with those colors from the FASA ad. When the Klingon Bird of Prey model came out, I decided to paint a Romulan Variation of the Bird of Prey in the colors of my Romulan Bright One mini:
Beauty... I think the blue should go further out in the feathers, but -- beauty. I'm still trying to find minis of my favorite FASA ships (including four Romulan ships) so I can start experimenting. I came in just as it was going out. Started having money of my own in 1989 -- actually, went in to buy some minis about a week after they disappeared from my hobby shop's racks.
Oh -- yes, Kris, makes me happy.
--Jonah
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: Hell, I want to see the Romulan Nova, Winged Defender, Bright One, and a few others modeled in proper "transitional" colours (from the white-with-painted-bird of TOS to all green with feather-patterned hull plates) to fill in the massive gap between the old Bird-of-Prey and the D'Deridex. I would absolutely squeal in delight if the warships involved in the Tomed Incident were Novas.
The first Fed design, that he can't recall the name of, is the Durrett class cruiser (and he's missed off the torp launcher).
The one he calls a Gallant Wing is actually a Wing of Vengance. (Damn, had to look that one up, to start I though it was a Comet of Destruction).
The Nelson looks more like a Hermes to me (the difference is in the nacelle supports).
The Swiftwind was the D-16.
Stongtongoe is funny misspelling of Stingtongue, which was the D-2 in FASA's system, but a new ship not an old one.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Nah, the Comet of Destruction looks like a pregnant Winged Defender.
Does anyone out there have the original minis? Or know where I could find them? I want to set about adding them to my 1/1400 fleet...
--Jonah
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
There's always some on sale on eBay. But they're not cheap.
And I nearly forgot - there's a guy who makes resin recasts of many of the FASA minis plus other Trek ships (not all to scale). http://www.geocities.com/l4leather/Intro.htm Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Those Romulan designs are cool! But that Chandley class is horrible, even as a model.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
:::sighs::: I <3 the Chandley. Always have.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :
quote:Originally posted by Identity Crisis: Oooo pretty.
The first Fed design, that he can't recall the name of, is the Durrett class cruiser (and he's missed off the torp launcher).
The one he calls a Gallant Wing is actually a Wing of Vengance. (Damn, had to look that one up, to start I though it was a Comet of Destruction).
The Nelson looks more like a Hermes to me (the difference is in the nacelle supports).
The Swiftwind was the D-16.
Stongtongoe is funny misspelling of Stingtongue, which was the D-2 in FASA's system, but a new ship not an old one.
Yeah, Paul made a few errors. I know he's had them pointed out to him, tho am not sure why he's not corrected them. It's a pet peeve of mine, tho, so I'm a bit obsessive about such things.
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: Nah, the Comet of Destruction looks like a pregnant Winged Defender.
Does anyone out there have the original minis? Or know where I could find them? I want to set about adding them to my 1/1400 fleet...
--Jonah
I've got some, but am sorry to say that I've only got one of each and am not interested in selling them. Ebay's likely your only hope for the originals, tho you could obviously got the resin recast route.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: :::sighs::: I <3 the Chandley. Always have.
You lay your boobs on the Chandley?
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Look what I found! The modeler says the designer is some guy named "Unknown"
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well I never. This is what happens when scabby little fan sites go around nicking other people's work without giving due credit, other artists find it and don't know where it comes from and are so denied the propper resources to further the design into another medium.
Masao, if you (or anyone else) has an account there could you point the man in the right direction, before he gets too far along? Since it looks like he's working from out-of-date schematics and I have a thing or two that might be of use.
That aside it looks like he's done an admirable job. Well done that man!
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Yeah, I'll take care of it.
Posted by Darkwing (Member # 834) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: :::sighs::: I <3 the Chandley. Always have.
I always liked it, but there's not enough room for everything FASA claimed was in that hull. The wings should be mounted on a Miranda-style extended hull with the underslung photorps of the Thruxton from Starfleet prototype. That ought to make enough room for all the marines and shuttles and so forth.
Then the FASA version can be reused as a variant destroyer type...
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