Propulsion (Warp): Two Yoyodyne TF-414-30P Warp Engines Propulsion (Impulse): Two Cochrane Systems Fusion R-992 Impulse Engines Propulsion (Thrusters): Two Cochrane Systems VR-116 Variable Direction Thrusters.
Length: 21 Meters
Height: 2.5 Meters
Wingspan: 4.7 Meters
Maximum Speed (Subspace): Warp Factor 5 Maximum Speed (Atmospheric): Mach 16 (Using directional thrusters only)
Armament: Five Type 6 MK-24 III segmented phaser arrays Three Type S MK-8 XIV pulse phaser cannons Two Type EX MK-119 VII micro torpedo launchers (carries 100 13.3 cm torpedoes, 50 per launcher)
Crew: 2 Flight Control Officer Sensor Systems and Targeting Officer (The pilot typically is the only one that operates the vechicle, however flight control can be rerouted to the SSTO in an emergency.)
Inventory: 147 in 98 Fighter Squadrons.
The T-19E Falcon was designed for both subspace warp travel and planetary operations in variable atmosphere types. The Falcon is also used by the Starfleet Marine Corp Air Defense Division within the Starfleet Aviation Command for SFMC planetary operations as air support to ground troops.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I like how you mixed in some old Navy markings. Some of the geometry doesn't look quite right, though. Especially where the vertical stabilizer and that shroud come near each other. Other than that, great work!
B.J.
Posted by David Sands (Member # 132) on :
Hobbes: I'm impressed! Got any dorsal/ventral shots?
One technical detail you're free to disregard, but are the vertical stabilizers necessary? I know that current fighter design has been moving further away from them as a stealth measure, especially since once an aircraft hits a certain size, they don't add a whole lot more to manueverability (e.g., the hypothesized FB-22).
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Technically, no.
I added the tail fins for artistic reasons. Helps make it look more fighter-like and less shuttlecraft. Also it was the perfect place to put the FS-81 Starwolves squadron logo.
I talked to a Naval Flight Officer that flies on E-2C Hawkeyes and asked him if they would be necessary. Because the T-19E uses an Intertial Dampening System regular concerns such as g-forces on the crew need no apply. I just figured tail fins could help maneuverablity in atmospheric flight.
The wings in this image are in their standard down position protecting the warp nacelles underneath. Depending on flight mode they can move up, down, back and forward slightly. The nose itself and move slightly up as well if required.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
As for extra views, not yet. I'm still working on all the auxiliary craft for the USS Pioneer. So far I have a Class 1, 2, 3, and this Class 5 done. Now I just need a Class 4.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Let's see all of them and oogle them...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
"147 in 98 Fighter Squadrons"
I'm a little confused here... Typo? How many to a squadron?
And with length of 21 meters, I'm going to guess that it's not all cockpit in there. Are there crew facilities besides just the pilot seats?
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think 16 meters would be better for this design: plenty of room for a two seater and a cot/storage locker in the back for extended missions....assuming that it's wide enough.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
There are 10 ships to a Expeditionary Task Force. Each Task Force has a Fighter Squadron attached to them instead each ship having it's own individual squadron. Some ships have more Class 5s than others. A fleet is comprised of 30 ships, 3 task forces, and 3 fighter squadrons. Squadrons are assigned to the main starbase in the area. So even if the current ships leave and a new group comes to replace them, the squadrons stay and move onboard the new ships.
The T-19E is 68 feet long, which is roughly 13 feet longer than the 55 foot F-14 Tomcat. But no, there are only the two flight crew onboard.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Do these have extended warp capability or are the just carrier-based?
The nacelles would have to be tucked together like on the (smaller) Valkerie design from Invasion.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Ship and starbase based. This isn't the kind of craft you'd want to send from Earth to Bajor.
The USS Pioneer carries four Class 5. A Galaxy-class could probably easily carry as much as eight in that massive saucer shuttlebay. Something as small as an Intrepid-class could carry maybe two.
The ST:Invasion Valkyrie was the basis for this craft. It's such a good idea I'd thought I throw in a few bits of my own design into it.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Still, "147 in 98 Fighter Squadrons" suggests that an awful lot of squadrons have only one fighter in them, no? There aren't even enough fighters to have a minimum of two per squadron!
Mark
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
But it doesn't say that these squadrons are only Falcons. There may be 1 Falcon in a squadron with 7 Eagles.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
The T-19E in this image is from Squadron 81. All T-19Es in the 10 ship USS Pioneer Expeditionary Task Force at FS-81.
So for the sake of arguement, the USS Pioneer itself carries four T-19Es. Another ship in the Task Force carries six, another ship four, etc... So that there are say 16 T-19Es in one Fighter Squadron. Let's say there's another Task Force with 20 T-19Es in Fighter Squadron 56. Needless to say, that's 36 T-19Es in two squadrons.
And the 147 is total inventory. Not every single one of them may be in use. Starfleet could have built some T-19Es and placed them in standby storage. So if one were lost in battle or something, Starfleet could send another one to take it's place right away.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Now I'm even more confused. So you're saying, that there are 98 fighter squadrons, but some of them aren't even assigned fighters? Are they rotated between squadrons on assignments?
And in most military units, a "squadron" is generally composed of the same type of aircraft, no? You don't have a squadron of four fighters and ten bombers mixed together in one unit; you have a squad of four fighters escorting a squad of ten bombers. Even within a squadron, you don't mix F-15Cs and F-15-Es.
Mark
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
No. There are more than 98 squadrons. What I'm saying is that 98 of the 200 Fighter Squadrons use T-19Es. All fighters in FS-81 use the T-19E.
I'm not sure how I'm explaining this concept wrong so you don't understand.
A Task Force is 10 starships. Galaxy-class, Excelsior-class, whatever. Larger ships are capable of carrying more than smaller ships. So some Task Forces may have a larger squadron detached to them.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
No, I understand all that. Nevermind all the task force ships and such, which I understand; I'm trying to figure out if there are enough T-19Es to equip 98 squadrons. Here's my logic, based on your numbers:
1) There are 98 squadrons that use T-19Es.
2) There are 147 T-19Es *total* in inventory, including some that are not in active service, divided amongst these 98 squadrons.
3) Squadrons are not composed of uniform numbers of T-19Es.
So, IF there are 98 Squadrons that use T-19Es, there aren't enough fighters to ensure a minimum of two fighters per squadron! With these numbers, and with the hypothetical numbers of 16 or 20 fighters to a squadron, it seems that the majority of those 98 squadrons would have only one T-19E in them in order to make up for this.
If a "squadron" typically means more than one aircraft per unit, and you have 98 squadrons that use the T-19E, then you would need 196 fighters for a minimum number of two per squadron. You say you have 147 fighters, which isn't enough.
Unless Harry's right, and the majority of these 98 squadrons are mixed-craft.
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The problem with assigning a squadron to be based over several ships is that they would not be a team: squads need to train together anspend alot of time working out manuvers and their own combat styles.
So, unless you're intention is to keep all the ships within easy transporter range (defeating the purpose of having multiple ships) you really have several small semi-independant groups instead of a single fighting unit.
Mabye you should break your squads into units of six or so....
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I'll let you guys in on a little secret.
I didn't think much about that little line of detail. Other things such as dimensions and technical aspects yes.
You're right, the amount of T-19Es vs the amount of squadrons they're used in don't match.
In the case of the USS Pioneer there are four fighters, a Blue Team and Gold Team with two fighters. Larger ships might have more, smaller ships less. Regardless they should be in equal numbers.
I like to design the art, and a little bit of backstory behind the art. But the minor details aren't really my speciality.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So! The truth is revealed! Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Yes, now you can put away your conspiracy theories.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Hmmm...according to the infallable ST:TM, the Perigrine has a crew of two and is a tiny 64 meters long.
No drug testing was required to write for that mag, obviously.
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