Fellow Modeler Sean reagan built this beast- check out his other ships in comparison.
I'm not usualy one for "uber-ships" but that's just a heck of a (giant) ship- I could see it as a really deep space explorer- like to the other side of the Beta quadrant or to chart the galactic rim, on a ten year mission with no backup support and with repair/fabrication facilities in the ship itself.
Now that is a series I could get behind- five years outward-bound encountering new species and making fiends and enemies and the following up with them on the way back to the Federation
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Ha! That's a great ship!
The only thing is, it's got such teeny-tiny nacelles in comparison to the saucer...it's more top-heavy than my ex-girlfriend.
I also like his Akyazi-style Ambassador...however, the half-Nebula-half-Miranda's gotta go.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
That design should have been submitted for the "Design/Kitbash the Titan" contest.
What parts did he use to build the model? Other than the five (or are there six?) Galaxy-type nacelles, all I can pick out are three Galaxy saucers (all blended into each other) and the dorsal half of Intrepid saucer for the �ber-ship.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The only problem with this as the Titan is that he rules stated that the Titan is something like 350-400 meters long.
This is probably past 1.5 km.
I'll post ventral views once Sean adds more pics online.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
This would have been cool to see on the series.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Well yeah... along with the Daedalus. Then again that's what I've been reduced to watching Enterprise for: the CGI.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
And the sexy wom...er...people. Sexy people.
I cant wait to finally see season 4 (it out on DVD in November I think) so I can stop avoiding the Enterprise forum (while it lasts).
I really did like that show all around.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: The only problem with this as the Titan is that he rules stated that the Titan is something like 350-400 meters long.
This is probably past 1.5 km.
Yeah, I know. I was making a subtle jab at the winning design for the Titan and the "rules" for it.
I can't tell what the secondary hull is made from. It vaguely looks like part of an Ambassador class secondary hull, but I'm leaning more towards thinking it's custom-built piece.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think it might be the secondary hull from the 537th sclae Enterprise A model that has been partly chopped and blended in.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Er, so... Wow. That's... big. No, I just gotta say that it's just U-G-L-Y, it ain't got no alibi. Maybe if the aft saucer didn't bevel back in to make a heart(ish) shape, but no. A big problem would be, as Dukhat mentioned, the scale of the nacelles-- but also the number.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's the apex of "Uber" though!
It's not practical or plausable in any way, and that heart-shaped saucer is tough to love, but like the Grand Canyon or the 80' tall Jackalope, you have to admire the scale of it. The models the size of a gutiar!
Still better than the kitbash they chose for the Titan though.
I could see this in use in a Mirror Universe where the Terran Empire never fell- kinda their version of the Regentcy One.
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat:
The only thing is, it's got such teeny-tiny nacelles in comparison to the saucer...it's more top-heavy than my ex-girlfriend.
Link?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well, the link for the ship picture is the link Jason gave at the beginning of this post...or did you mean the link to the photo of my top-heavy ex? Sorry, but Flare rules don't allow me to post porn here. Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Well I just saw the winning design for Titan... I wonder if someone actually went with the abandoned version of the Endeavour from ST:FC.
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
But links to porn Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Butt links?
A link to the Endeavour design would be nice as well.
SO we can all bask in the winner's "originality".
Posted by Ravenstar Studios (Member # 1120) on :
I think Titan Class would work well for the model design , but as said above the specs would never work for a Luna class. For the Mace I would like to see more close up pics of the model . I think it would work well for a long long range deep space ship.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I want to know why the saucer phaser banks are one continuous piece. I mean the Galaxy Class is pretty long as it is... I can only imagine the recharge rates. It makes more sense to do a setup similar to the Ambassador Class saucer phaser banks.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Except that, from a production design point of view, surely the point of putting shorter strips on the Ambassador was to imply an intermediate technology, less advanced than the D's strips.
But anyway, I don't think we can say much (if anything) about the costs and benefits of various phaser strip lengths.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
PLus, we've seen the Galaxy's long strips fire multiple beams, so it's probably not an issue by the era of the Dominion War.
On early TNG, it sometimes seemed to take a long time for the beam to travel the length of the phaser ring to the point where it fired from the ship though....mabye the fire rate increases once it's "heated up"?
Either way, if thos is a Nemesis era ship, it cold have a bunch of those goofy "pop-up" micro(?) torepedo launchers as well.
I agree that the Titan winning desihn could easily become a physical model, but as long as we're building something 80% Akira anyway, I'd rather have the real thing.
Once Akira parts are mastered, you could always offer a conversion kit for the basic Sovvie. Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
That or make a late 24th Century Soverprise...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I did originally agree with Simon about the Ambassador's strips being less advanced, but then I remembered that the Intrepid-class also has it's phaser strips split in two.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Note: I'm not suggesting that this is the "in-universe" explanation. Just that, when the call went out to design an Enterprise that looked like it fit in between the Excelsior and the Galaxy, breaking up the phaser strips was probably an attempt to imply progress.
I don't believe there's ever been a suggestion, in the show, that the D's longer strips were more powerful than her shorter ones, for what it's worth. I know the technical manual has a little to say about how the strips work, but I don't have my copy at hand and don't remember the details.
My point was just that there's not really any reason to think that such a long strip would be inefficient or unworkable, barring, of course, something in the tech manual that I'm not aware of.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Note: I'm not suggesting that this is the "in-universe" explanation. Just that, when the call went out to design an Enterprise that looked like it fit in between the Excelsior and the Galaxy, breaking up the phaser strips was probably an attempt to imply progress.
I don't believe there's *snip*
I know. I was agreeing. Calm down.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I may be in the moinority, but I've always rthought the Ambassador looked far too advanced for such an old design.
Though it's concievable the ship originally sported more Excelsior-ish details and we've only ever seen the result of several refits/upgrades.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I may be in the moinority, but I've always rthought the Ambassador looked far too advanced for such an old design.
Though it's concievable the ship originally sported more Excelsior-ish details and we've only ever seen the result of several refits/upgrades.
Old design? Going by that 10XXX registry are we? I always put that down to some sort of weird error. I'd say the Ambassadors are the vitage of 25-40 years prior TNG - the time of the Enterprise C.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah, I am going by that strange 10XXX registry for the Ambassador (though I dont know where that comes from, so it might be bullshit).
I'd (personaly) place the first Ambassadors in the 32XXX range so the ship is not aincent.
What's the highest registry nmber shown for an Ambassador class?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
68814, the Prokofiev, according to the encyclopedia. The majority are in the 2XXXX range.
I believe the Ambassador's registry is from the TNG tech manual, so take it as you like, but the Horatio has one in the ten thousands as well. (Though whether it was ever onscreen I couldn't say. The ship wasn't, of course.)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Hmmm...intresting.
For a class to have been around all those decades, you'd expect some major refitting (though not of the Miranda or Oberth, I guess, but still). I dont think we ever say anything onscreen on the Horatio's registry.
Strange to thin that Ambassadors were still being built alongside New Orleans and the other BOBW kitbashes, but it would support a theory of mine that certain shipyards concentrate on certain classes to maximize productivity...re-tooling/re-training could lead to some shipyards continuing production of older classes as general production slowed to a trickle.
Availibility of recources might be a factor out on the Fed borders as well.
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
I would also think that each yard would specialize. If you look at US shipyards today there is a tendency to do so.
That would also help explain some of the similar sized ships all in service at once thing - they were built in different areas of the UFP and designed locally.
The Feds would certainly want to have as distributed a system of shipbuilding as possible but we have little canon support for that.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Specialized yards might go towards explaining variants within classes and why we rarely see certain ship classes in the core systems.
As example: A Federation member-world towards the border might have had a history of building four-nacelled ships with a long warp-speed duration (compared with Starfleet norms) and the Chyenne is a result of a new species adding it's shipbuilding expertiese and cultural preferences to Starfleet's roster.
Taking that notion into account, we might see greater numbers of uncommon classes the farther we get to the federation border/unexplored space.
Shipyards along the rim mght be producing older designs alongside their own blend of variants and classes that core systems may never see.
Posted by lennier1 (Member # 1309) on :
That huge kitbash sure gives me the creeps but does anyone know if there exist more pics of that ship in the upper right corner of the fleet pic where the saucer has been rotated by 90 degrees?
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