Someone tell me how to put a file here from flare upload?
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Let me try this.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I'd like to see a foreward view because I'd like to see what the foreward section of the sphere has in that indentation(deflector dish?). Also, are you trying to add some elements from the NX-class? Anyway good job as usual.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Kinda. In the chronology of design that I'm working with, the Daedalus class is the main cruiser, whereas the Canopus Class I've posted previously in the fleet surveyor/scout vessel.
I've used the same nacelle design so as to visually identify these ships as being part of the same generation of vessels. The indentation is a very large, experimental deflector dish. You'll notice more about it when I get to the front view.
I'll be posting a corvette (Hunter Class) shortly.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Can you make one called the Cannabis class? Posted by Makotokat (Member # 1041) on :
I like it, I assume the impulse deck is at the end of that box on the engineering hull?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Or it's a shuttle bay.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: Can you make one called the Cannabis class?
Your obsession with weed disturbs me.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Here is the Hunter Class corvette I promised.
I guess I'll do a write-up on it when I'm finished with the artwork.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
dammit...grrrrrr Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Or you could edit your previous post and remove the double "http://".
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
I'm learning as I go, Cartman. There's no manual.
Any comment on the ship?
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
I'm not so sure about the Daedalus, but it does work. I do like the Hunter class, but I'm having to squint a bit.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
How large should I make the images?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I like both, but I'm not sure about the slice out of the sphere on the D. You've got three angled lines on that profile, and for some reason, it's bugging me. I think I'd prefer a full sphere.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Ah, Aban. To my eye, the angled lines serve to give much-needed design coherence to the Daedalus, which classically, as you recall, is depicted as a ball attached to a shampoo bottle.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
And next, the contemporary of all three the above ships, the Cabot Class Tanker vessel
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Okay, now THAT one I like!
B.J.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Damn, it's about time! Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
quote:Originally posted by Irishman: ...depicted as a ball attached to a shampoo bottle.
Oil drum. And I like that look.
Ok... the tanker... very yummy. I love the back bit behind her tanks and between her nacelles.
(I always strive for as much innuendo as possible in my posts)
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune:
(I always strive for as much innuendo as possible in my posts)
Sooo... you are suggesting he spread the struts open wider?
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Nice struts...When do they open?
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Nice work, as always, Irishman. However, I'm not a big fan of taking such a big bite out of the Daedalus sphere. The whole rationale (I'm assuming) of a sphere is too maximize volume and minimize surface area. But slicing that big piece out, there's no point in keeping the rest a sphere, other than design inertia. Also, that exposed piping below the neck: what is is?
Posted by Trimm (Member # 865) on :
I like the Hunter and the tanker Irishman, but I'm also not too keen on the large chunk your taking outa the Daedalus sphere.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I cast my vote with the camp that says the sphere-cutaway should go. Like Aban, I'm not fond of the angles OR the curves of the secondary hull, either. But then, I've always thought the Daedalus looked fine to begin with. (Like a logical predecessor to the TOS Enterprise, anyway.)
I like the Cabot's profile quite a bit. What does the plan view look like? It kind of looks like a catamaran hull would suit her.
-MMoM Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Cabot? Wasn't that the original First Officer on the Voyager?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I dig the tanker- a lot. Hmmm...it would be cool to have it's bridge towards the ship's rear, like a modern oil tanker (mabye just fore of the nacelle pylons?)...
But that's probably a consideration for another design.
I'd love to see a TMP era version that would always be foolishly entering restricted space... Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Cabot? Wasn't that the original First Officer on the Voyager?
Cavit.
This ship most likely named after Giovanni Cabato (John Cabot), the Italian explorer that reached the North American mainland in 1497.
....Now you know....
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
I'm not sure why I'm receiving resistance to the idea of carving a deflector into the sphere of the Daedalus. Is it because "it's the Daedalus"? Greg Jein's Horizon model (upon which most fanon has based the Daedalus, erroneously I feel) has a similarly sized facet carved out of its top plane where he installed a bridge or sensor dome. If Jein's flat surface doesn't preclude the sensible use of a sphere, why should mine?
I am going to keep the forward faceted edge because it is going to serve a needed purpose that has been lacking from the Daedalus ever since Jefferies made his early concept sketches for the Enterprise. And you guys know how much I like to go back for inspiration to Jefferies' artwork.
That purpose is a navigational deflector. I know that some have suggested that a deflector is there, it's just in some form we don't automatically recognize as a Trek deflector, perhaps some kind of phased array like has been speculated for the Warp Delta from "Enterprise" and the Reliant from STII and Grissom from STIII.
While that may be fine for some, I want to stick to a known Treknology with my interpretation of the Daedalus, the brassy deflector dish.
Masao, you asked what was the purpose of the "exposed piping" under the interconnecting structure? That is a shielded conduit housing tapping directly from the main reactor, leading forward to the deflector assembly. Since warp energy levels and deflector energy levels go hand in hand, I thought having my deflector here tap directly into the main M/AM reactor would be the best way to make sure it received the power it needs.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't think it's resistance on any technical grounds. Personally, I just don't like the way it looks. But hey... she's not my ship. Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
I dunno. I mean, I had a go once at updating the Daedalus using Jeffries' sketches as the basis, and Jein's model as a benchmark rather than a strict guide. Most of my designs had a hole for the deflector in the sphere.
Other ideas that I had were that it was behind one of the rectangular pannels that face forwards on the Jeindalusm, and that these were a thin material that was permiable to the deflector beam, or even retractable.
Given that we've never seen the ship in real life, I think we can safly say that Irishmans interpritations, with on screen evidence (nil except for Sisco's large paperweight), and background information (sketchy at best) taken into account, is still a valid proposal as to the true nature of the Daedalus.
That said, I think that the secondary hull needs to be a bit more angular (oil drum do I hear) Irishman, but thats me.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
This is just my bias but I positively detest the oil drum. I don't think anyone would ever build it into a spacecraft, so I won't be changing that.
Sorry guys.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Like Ginger Beacon has said, the deflector can easily be just a hole made into the sphere and not a huge carve out of it. It's almost like the forward curve of the Excelsior's secondary hull.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
"This is just my bias but I positively detest the oil drum."
Fair enough.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I love oil drums, especially the ones in video games where you shoot them and they explode and kill everyone.
Well in any case, you were talking about Jefferies Daedalus and how the top of the sphere is cut for the bridge. I find that the sphere being "cut" along the top looks more pleasing to the eye plus is has a domed bridge.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Well, the size of the cut-out for the deflector may get smaller, but it's not going to disappear.
Exploding oil drums? Wasn't that Duke Nukem? and Doom?
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Okay, I've run up against a mental block on the Cabot class. I'm reconciling the side view we all like with the other angles, while trying to maintain real-world believability.
Anyway, here's where I am with it:
I've converted the forward shoulder-like hull into a shuttle/cargo bay with doors on both sideways, angled 45 degrees. I like it better that way.
The shape of the cargo containers were made to give it visual interest. I'm sure I could come up with a Treknical reason if pressed. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Give that puppy a deflector. Hmmmm...not a "NX" style oval though: it would look like a Pac-Man face.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Of course it will need a deflector. I haven't even gotten to that point yet. I might make it an interim version, somewhere between the NX-02 dish and a E-nil. Thoughts?
What do you think about the other views?
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Again - what version of iTunes has a PURPLE icon - inquiring macheads want to know.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Toadkiller, once again, it's iTunes 4.5 that I use with OS X 10.1.5
I would upgrade to Jaguar (10.2) but I don't have a CD copy available to install from. Then I could use Quartz Extreme to shunt off finder screen redraws to the GPU of my ATI video card.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Irishman: Of course it will need a deflector. I haven't even gotten to that point yet. I might make it an interim version, somewhere between the NX-02 dish and a E-nil. Thoughts?
What do you think about the other views?
Good thus far- I'd add a bunch of loading bay doors at the aft of the cargo containers...it would make the much more functional.
The top view has three green dome thingies that are not visible on the other views....are they on a recessed plain? What are they?
While not applicable to this design, I'd love to see a freighter or supply ship with a square "male" attachment meant to fit into the hangar of the Regula type stations.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I think you should strengthen the connection between the narrow tail of the ship to the narrow nose: make it look like it is a single continous structure. The nose is the same width as the tail, but has a very different shape. Strengthen this spine, then attach other structures to it.
How wedded are you to current widths of the the cargo modules and shoulders? I think they should be narrower.
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