Seeing as how it'll be ages before I reach 250 posts, these are hosted by meeeeee! (Hey, at least I'm not posting crap posts to reach 250 ). This was just quickyl scanned moments ago. I haven't bothered to do a nice scan yet, due to life and all that. But I just wanted to talk about the ship first anyway. So this is copyrighted, but I'm declaring fair use for discussion purposes, and it's not a high quality scan anyway, due to the scanner reflection around the fold of the calendar.
(this preview links to a slightly larger version)
I think it's a fantastic design, quite beautiful, looks like it's fast as hell. A great bridge between the NX/Enterprise line, and the TOS era ships. I'd have gone for straight sided nacelles rather than these ones that bow in the middle, but other than that it's a gorgeous design. I'd love to see more shots of this one, myself. Opinions?
The artist credit on the calendar is "Meni". Anyone have any idea who that is?
Also, I love the spiffy station you can see part of in this scan to the left.
The whole scene is titled "Starfleet Proving Grounds" for folks without the calendar.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It's nice, but I daresay not the most original design ever. It looks like what happens when you step on a Constitution-class ship and not QUITE flatten it. It's pretty, and certainly well-done, but not my cup o' teah.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I do like this particular solution for the navigational deflector problem. I mean, as opposed to the old Saladin style. Which, I mean, you don't see used much anyway.
I don't much care for the big glowy thing on the interior of that station.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Previous Flare discussions about the 2006 Calendar:
Is that the name on the starboard side of the saucer or just the registry number repeated? I can't quite tell whether the line of text ends with an X or if it's just the last two zeros of 1000 on such a steep slant that it looks like two lines.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
It's the number, but it's mirrored from the left side and therefore backwards.
B.J.
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
Aban: It'sNCC-1000 on both sides, but for starboard the artist just mirrored the texture from port since it's almost totally obscured. It took me a while to realize it was mirrored. Even a full view, you'd only notice because of the middle stroke on the N and the cap on the 1.
Mark: Agreed. I ALWAYS hated most of the other TOS designs where they slapped the dish under the saucer, like they're picking up TV signals or something.
But then, I hate most of the other TOS designs as a whole. The one and three nacelled ones, etc. The only one I liked was the cargo puller design with the Connie saucer and cargo pods where the secondary hull would be. That was somewhat realistic and expectable.
As for originality, we're working within a pre-existing schema of designs. It's hard to be too original without looking out of place. I like this one because it seems to blend the NX line with the TOS Connie line so well. It's like finding Homo Erectus for the first time.
Herb: True, btu I'm focusing only on the NCC-1000, so I'm sur ewe can handle a tid bit of duplicity.
So, still unanswered, the artist "Meni"? My Google-fu comes up with nothing relevant.
And for the record, that station looks wicked awesome. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I may be TOTALLY wrong but wasn't there someone associated with Star Trek called Tony Meninger? I maybe ABSOLUTELY wrong - maybe it's a nick-name for him - that is if he was part of the effects crew.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
Oh, the USS Edsel again! I must insist that it looks like an experiment gone wrong. Maybe it's what happens when you try to fit a whole starship into a transporter beam...
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
Oh come on, it's gorgeous! It's like a badass dragster! It's like the police cruiser version of the new Dodge Charger, fast AND mean! I can even see positioning the impulse in the back of the "secondary" hull, where the landing deck of the shuttlebay would be. It doesn't look like it quite has a hangar deck there anyway. It could launch and retrieve shuttle like the NX class does, under the belly.
Seriously people, this is a good looking ship. If you don't think so, go back to your USS Eagles and gimpy Oberths. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I may be TOTALLY wrong but wasn't there someone associated with Star Trek called Tony Meninger?"
Meininger. And he appears to have been a model-maker for DS9 and VOY.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by machf: Oh, the USS Edsel again! I must insist that it looks like an experiment gone wrong. Maybe it's what happens when you try to fit a whole starship into a transporter beam...
Heh I was thinking the same thing - maybe like in that episode of TNG where people were fused with bulkheads... This ship's secondary hull moved forward and fused with the primary hull!
Actually - can anyone do a sketch version of this where the top half of the 'cylinder' middle section doesn't exist - instead we have the normal saucer top?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh also - after that little thread we had a while ago analysing the Oberth - I have found a new respect for it's design.
Annnd, where is Mojo?? He could answer the question as to who "Meni" is.
Adam "Mojo" Leibowitz where are you?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's allright: SSM makes a model called the Odanta that I converted to movie era that has the exact same deflector dish. Here's a review and pics of the stock kit.
Posted by Shakaar (Member # 1782) on :
*blink* You have a 12"-24" (at least) scanner??? -forget the ship, tell me about your technology. I need a larger scanner.
The ship, very nice, but I was kinda meh on the idea of a calendar that hung sideways.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Annnd, where is Mojo?? He could answer the question as to who "Meni" is.
Adam "Mojo" Leibowitz where are you?
Adam doesn't read these forums no more. However, some of us may still be able to contact him. Caveat - he had little to do with Enterprise, and nothing to do with the last couple SOTL calendars.
Incidentally, I found this out on a fandom chronology when looking up "NCC-1000":
quote:Stardate 29039.2, 06 June The USS Horizon NCC-1000 cruiser, class ship of another all-new Horizon class (Horizon (II) class?), is laid down at UESPA, Starfleet Division, San Francisco Yards, Earth. [USS Enterprise Heavy Cruiser Evolution Blueprints]
Other links to NCC-1000 and "Horizon" bring similar results. I hadn't known this before... Perhaps it IS the USS Horizon, in some re-imagined view of history by "Meni" who had read a few old documents?
Mark
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
Hmmm... interesting possibility. It appears in the James Dixon chronology (take a look here and here) as the USS Horizon mentioned in A piece of the action. Although this site has it as an update on the Daedalus Class.
Still, both the starship and the station seem to have been modeled by playing around with a Constitution and a K-7. I'd expect something a little more, er, 'original', so to speak... you can recognize too many of the components of the supposedly 'later' models in there. I have nothing against keeping component commonality in a design, but just not this way.
Edit: OK, I've been thinking some more. Do you remember that ENT-ized Constitution from a couple of years ago? Thinking about it, I've realized that we haven't seen any ENT-era Starfleet vessels with a secondary hull, have we? We need to find out a possible explanation for the evolution of the secondary hull and the placement of the deflector dish on its front. Let me think some more about this to see what I can come up with.
[ April 08, 2006, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: machf ]
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
While the ship parts do look like they're modeled after the Constitution, too many parts look different to me for it to have been built from other models, unless they were heavyly modified from the Refit model, which they look more like to me.
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
Rememebr Captain Boh, this is a CG model. It's trivial to alter to fit.
machf: No, but we know that they evolve with designs like the Daedalus. Since historically the secondary hull has been where the engines branch off, it was logical to place Engineering there, so we can assume that later there were needs for more internal volume, and it isn't a huge leap to think "Let's separate out the engineering and support sections from the living quarters in case something explodes, like back on the Enterprise when Archer got into a fight with those seven Klingon ships. Boy what a mess that was..."
Shakaar: Hehehe. No, just an older HP 5200C. While I'm not nearly as accomplished as Aban Rune, I'm somewhat of an old hand at Photoshop. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Annnd, where is Mojo?? He could answer the question as to who "Meni" is.
Adam "Mojo" Leibowitz where are you?
Adam doesn't read these forums no more. However, some of us may still be able to contact him. Caveat - he had little to do with Enterprise, and nothing to do with the last couple SOTL calendars.
Mark
Well maybe we could initiate a campaign to get "Unseen Frontier" back on the drawing board. There's less of a glut of Trek books now... The success of the calendars swould help as well!
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
The design has grown on me and I do enjoy it greatly. I feel it has a kinda smug look almost as though its intended to be a Constitution "compact". What do you think such a design could be used for? Science Vessel a la Oberth-class? Scout?
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
Well, consiedering the registry number she'd be the Horizon most likely (but I doubt it personally), so she'd be a general exploration vessel, butshe just looks like a hotrod to me. You pull her out of the spacedock on Saturday nights and drag race the Klingons for pink slips. Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
From the looks of her, she's either unarmed, or then contemporary to the similarly smooth NCC-1701, or both.
If we take NCC-1000 to be significantly older than NCC-1701, the picture would have to represent some sort of a refit status, and all bets as to the original design intent and mission would be off. If the two are contemporaries, their equipment standards don't visibly differ, so their missions could be identical as well.
What is the name of the ship? The last letters apparently are inverted C and inverted N. With a bit of squinting, one could pretend they are O and N, which would be very, very convenient indeed...
My pet interpretation is that this is indeed a late 22nd century USS Horizon of Horizon class, majorly refitted to serve as a testbed for the upcoming Constitution class as postulated in various fan works. Hey, she's a far closer Constitution match than the butt-ugly sphere-and-can configuration sometimes proposed...
The Constellation (NCC-1017) would originally have been a classmate, but would have undergone a more extreme reworking to trailblaze the NCC-1700; the saucer is already basically there, and one would only need to build a new midsection for the secondary hull and weld the bow and stern to that, then add the connecting neck and new pylons. Less work than turning NCC-1701 into NCC-1701-refit, certainly!
Not the ideal solution to the Constellation history problem by any means, but still lot better than the sphere-and-can one - and still deriving from "semi-canon" material, sort of.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
You're, like, such a dork, Timo. Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Pot, I present to you: kettle.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Well I think it is gorgeous. The colors and the whiteness of the hull, really nostalgic. Like the first shots of the Dantine IV in the teaser pics of Revenge of the Sith, when you could connect the dots in design lineage and interior decoration.
The whole design conveys speed. I'd like to see this Sovvie- or Promminized. Perhaps...perhaps even - *GASP* - Rhodeislandized!?
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
Nim I agree 100%. It says "speed" much moreso than the NX design or even the Akira, IMO. Of course, I do love TOS and Movie era designs the best. Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I keep trying to write something, and I keep having to stop and erase, because I know the views I espouse -- though rational, and logically-derived -- are not that popular with a lot of Flare-ites. So... Let's just say I agree with some of you and disagree with some of you. *heh* As for the ship, I kinda like it, but the mental jury is still out deliberating.
I decided to join this forum in an effort to answer your questions concerning my SOTL image. I didn't realize just how much interest this image had generated until I got an email from one of this forum's members.
So here's the longform description, edited from a mail I sent to Mike Okuda:
Constructed some 60 years before Captain Kirk�s famous USS Enterprise, the NCC-1700 Bonaventure Class cruiser was the first official starship to be used by the newly formed United Federation of Planets. Mike Okuda suggested that name because an episode of the animated Star Trek series suggested that the first warp powered ship was the Bonaventure.
The design embodies elements of both the NX-01 Enterprise that precede it, and the Constitution class USS Enterprise that followed it. Seen here is the prototype that has yet to be christened its eventual name: the USS Bonaventure (being the first of its type, it takes the name of the class). Also seen is Space Station K-2, which is an ancestor to the K-7 station first seen in Star Trek episode �The Trouble with Tribbles�.
I designed the ship specifically for the calendar.
Hope this helps!
- meni
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Hmm. 2245 - 60 = 2185. That's about 25 years too late. Of course, considering the incredible continuity problems with the TAS Bonaventure, I can't complain too much. I can certainly see the design as one of those "Warp 7 ships" they mentioned in the ENT-finale-that-shall-not-be-named.
But I'm still not too impressed with it. After all, it looks more like a streamlined Paris-class light cruiser than anything else...
The most interesting thing I thought of, though, is the idea that no one ever seemed to consider before � that Starfleet started counting its NCC- numbers at 1000, rather than 1. It certainly convolutes all the other arguments, and I certainly don't endorse the idea myself (yet, anyway), but it's interesting nonetheless.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I'm not so happy with this design, since I think it reflects a fallacious idea about how technology develops. (I could be wrong, since I'm not in the designer's head). it seems to suggest that the primary hull disc and spindle-shaped secondary hulls separated after being present as visually recognizable structures within a single hull. That's working backwards from the endpoints rather than working forward from more basic strucutres. It would make more sense to me if this ship came after a ship that had separate primary and secondary hulls.
Starting at 1000 is certainly better than starting at 01.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Why is it better than starting at 01?
I think he did an adequate job of creating it. I think it's more suited to be NX-1600, say. But hatever else... *sigh* I won't mince words, I think the guy's a dink. He has a pretty pitiful grasp of Trek history to be allowed to have his creation etched in... well... lots and lots of sheets of paper. In a pieceo f official merchandise.
I am of the belief that when you're creating a new ship design, you should do as much friggin' homework as you possibly can. This, to me, is pretty, but it's still a continuity hairball.
--Jonah
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Wasn't the Grissom a 3-digit starship registry?
Maybe by first ship with warp speed you could say the first Entirely Federation Ship (with warp speed) i.e. the first joint effort.
P.S. Is this same discussion going on over at Trek BBS??!??? Do people post the topic here AND there? Why couldn't that Meni guy come and post here? Do people from there come here for ideas for topics then post them there to get a bigger audience?
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
I guess my post disappeared betwen my browser and the server, so let's try again.
Masao: Remember, we haven't seen every ship, obviously, sinc ewe keep seeing new designs like these (and invent out own). It's entirely possible ther ewas an Ent-styled dual hull design similar to the Connie class, not to mention we know of the butt-ugly Daedalus class.
And since we know we have a mess of information regarding what ships were first to do what for who as far as canon goes, and TAS isn't canon anyway, one could easily speculate this design is a TOS era ship, a 1701 contemporary or near-term predecessor. From the styling, I prefer to think that anyway. Especially with the K-x (claimed K-2) starbase in the background.
I agree saying this came before a dual hull design is silly, because as you said, this looks plainly like a Connie inspired design, even from a 23rd century engineer standpoint.
I really really think we need a reboot of what's considered canon anyway. Get a really good author to go over every episode and movie, and write out a timeline. If it contradicts with something we hear on screen (which a lot of stuff will contradict other stuff said onscreen anyway) then that person was mistaken. It's not like every single person in the future will perfectly know history.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Maybe by first ship with warp speed you could say the first Entirely Federation Ship (with warp speed) i.e. the first joint effort.
P.S. Is this same discussion going on over at Trek BBS??!??? Do people post the topic here AND there? Why couldn't that Meni guy come and post here? Do people from there come here for ideas for topics then post them there to get a bigger audience?
The thread had been going on for a while on Trek BBS when one of the posters emailed Meni. I'd hazard a guess that he didn't post her because he doesn't know here exists.
As for the warp issue. I think in the TAS episode it was supposed to be the first warp vessel, but this version of the Bonaventure was designed by someone taking Enterprise and FC into account, so I took it to mean that like you say, this is the first Federation Starfleet warp vessel.
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
I'm not a registration fanatic, but from a mildly interested 3rd party, I don't think starting Feddy registration at 1000 is as much a problem as people might think. Even if Grissom does have a lower registry it could be named for a historical ship ala Enterprise. I don't love this ship (think it's kind of ugly and the weird telepod accident thing irks), but there have been worse designs. For those who (like me) don't visit the Trek board, there is a dorsal ortho view over there. It seems to me like he'd also have the port projection detailed, but what do I know?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
The TAS Bonaventure was an ugly little spud. And Scotty's line was that it was "the first vessel with a warp drive installed". Post-First Contact apologists have fudged things by saying that it was a sublight ship originally that had warp drive installed after it was already in service. Kludgy, but it kinda works.
Registries... Grissom was NCC-638. But we also know of the Revere ar NCC-595. That's the lowest canon registry I think we've ever had. The lowest inferred canon registry is NX-01, judging by the utter lack of confusion from the Voyager crew over Dauntless' NX-01-A. Which also implies that NX-01 was named Dauntless...
See, this is why I like to think the events in First Contact spun off another Mirror universe. One where they named their NX-01 Enterprise.
Plus, if it's a non-serving prototype, it should still be 'NX', not 'NCC'.
jesus X? I've been working on just such a timeline for a few years now. Unfortunately, I know it's not going to be well-received by canon nazis.
--Jonah
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
Peregrinus: I can imagine. I should try my hand at one too, just for fun. I've been trying to come up wiht a nice Trek hobby-project for a while other than my handmade cargo-vessel (I'll post about that some other time, it's still only half done frame wise), and this could be it. As for the canon-nazis, it'll give them something else to argue about.
When people pick apart scripts and screenshots for minutes and millimeters it drives me bonkers. Like the Wolf 359/BoBW screenshot autopsies, or ship-scale comparisons. It can be fun, but when we start saying every little detail is canon when half the time it's put on screen as it for only 3 reasons (budget, time, and dramatic effect) none of which are accuracy, it gets a bit ridiculous.
The Ex Astris Scientia article on the Defiant's true size is much more tolerable for me because they depend less on what's on-screen and more on general logic. I think we could all use that a little more when dealing with trek, mainly because it is fiction, not a real future history. Scotty said the Binaventure was the first warp ship. ST:FC said otherwise. So that's two canon references in direct conflict. A reasonable retcon is in order. Either he was wrong/misspoke, or he meant something else than our literal interpretation. Example: Most people would say Henry Ford (or just Ford) invented the automobile, but that's incredibly innacurate. He didn't even invent the assembly line. He DID however improve the assembly line, apply it to automibiles, and thus create the modern auto industry. But he didnt' create either, he just made them both better. But now a hundred years later many people think otherwise. So, it's easy to believe Scotty wasn't 100% accurate with his words. Knowing what a technosnob he was, maybe he didn't consider the relatively antiquated Archer Warp Core to be all that good, and was referring to some other version. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So is Meni a person or a company?
Posted by jesus X (Member # 1201) on :
Both from what I gather. Meni's a diminutive form of Aristomenis Tsirbas's name, and became the name of his company. The company is Meni and his manager, basically.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
No one famous ever comes here anymore because they've heard we eventually kill and eat all newcomers (metaphorically, I hope).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
*burp*
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, I've been infamous in certain circles, if that counts...
Besides, think of Flare as a proving ground for the rest of the internet: if you can make it here you can survive anywhere.
Radiation and biohazard suits not included. If symptoms such as nausea, hysteria or agonizing over spaceships shown once in a cartoon from twenty-five years ago occur, consult a mortician.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Registries... Grissom was NCC-638. But we also know of the Revere ar NCC-595. That's the lowest canon registry I think we've ever had.
Have you already forgotten USS Essex NCC-173 Daedalus class?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Post-First Contact apologists have fudged things by saying that it was a sublight ship originally that had warp drive installed after it was already in service."
Well, that would be the Phoenix, though, wouldn't it? It was already a perfectly functional rocket, then it had a warp drive put in.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yet it still hosed all those cardies...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Meni furnished a dorsal view of the ship. Apparently, he didn't model details on any of the surfaces not seen in the calendar pic.
-MMoM Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Pretty ugly overall. Great render though.
I'm just not afan of a "azrec" pattern on TOS ships- something more nique (and creative) should be used if anything.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
TSN: The Delta rocket was just a booster to get the technology testbed into space. The warp drive wasn't integrated into the booster's systems, as they discarded it once out of the atmosphere.
--Jonah
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
*meekly* can't find the link to the necrothread pic...
and what do you think about 'Ensign Sue Must die?'
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Finally a decent sized pic of the NX "Refit" with some exposition to boot. As for Ensign Sue, I see it takes place in the newniverse, which has very little in the way of content. But then she must die, so that shouldn't take long.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Christ that thing is ugly.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That centerfold is horrid. Possibly the worst Trek design (aside from the "NewPrise").
I like the Romulan Warbird from Probert but some images seem lazy- no SOTL would be complete without a rehashed image of a TOS shuttlecraft.
That Reliant model looks inaccurate- the rollbar phaser in particular seems out of scale large.
Personally, I like the Ringship and the NX refit.\
The November image offers the single worst, most lazy kitbash of parts possible- a simple re-arrangment of connie refit parts with no style or design. awful. Really truly bad in the worst way.
The Constelation shot is very nice but it's nothing they have not given us before -just in a new pose.
Blerg...I want to suppport the calander overall but I dont want to support rehashed stuff and retread images like that ol'"shuttle approaching Enterprise" gag...or the shot of the Refit docked in Spacedock- a mishmash of the TNG scene and the STII scene.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
It always seems like there's only a handful of good stuff in these calenders, and the rest is just stuff lifted from various 3d modeling websites.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
The Constellation does look like a lift from the episode (TDDM). the only difference is that its burning still.
The upside down Kitbash Connie obviously was inspired by the Kelvin (and other than the fact it sports dual Impulse Engines, thus making it stupid looking) it actually looks... ok looking.
though the fact that the majority of those ships are firing their topside Starboard-facing phaser banks forward. That's one thing i learned to love about SFC3, those firing arcs...
does the anti-FJ clause on ship designs still apply?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The "anti-FJ clause" never really applied- I dont know of a single design ever rejected on that basis and obviously later designs tossed it out the window, starting with the Nebula and Springfield.
That "firing from the starboard phaser banks" bit looks dumb- why do that as an artistic choice?
Is that KBOP being assimilated? Looks like it.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Unless those are 22nd century Borg, that pic makes no sense.
I do love that vertical Romulan Warbird though, I'm sorry it never made into TNG.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
^I think it's just sat inside a Klingon spacedock. Maybe an asteroid base or something.
I never buy these things, but I'm always impressed by at least some of the work on display. The gap in quality here though is huge! All the way from (naturally) pro work from the likes of Drexler and Probert to some very amateurish and unimaginative efforts. Mostly unimaginative though, even the worst images are - from a technical standpoint - competent enough but there's very little if any artistry there.
Love the NX-refit and the re-jigged TMP ringship (not that I was surprised what with my following Doug's blog for the last few years. )
Nice to see all our theorising from back in the day about the Surak-Class/S.S. Enterprise connection has turned out to be right after all.
Speaking of Drexler, looks like we'll soon get to see these things in motion. Fun!
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Holy carrier flight deck Batman! Since when did a starship's shuttlebay look like the size of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier?
Real life jets need room on a flight deck to take off and stop. But a shuttle doesn't need the same catapult and trapping system
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