I was just watching First Contact and I was wondering, is there a blueprint available for the Ent-E corridor sets(for FC,INS,NEM)? I tried drawing them but the way they filmed/changed sets is really messing with me.
Thanks if anyone can help!
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
There are "Making of" books of all three movies, I think... At least the "Insurrection" one has a set plan, although it is inconveniently printed and really difficult to scan. I'm not aware of online sources for this plan, but I'll try and look.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Did they even GO in the corridors in Insurrection?
I thought we only really saw the bridge and the captain's yacht - oh and the transporter room and Worf's Gorch - or however you say it.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Insurrection had a lot of interior scenes: I think they even built a new corridor for the one where our heroes walk from the turbolift to the lounge for the diplomatic reception. Then there are of course the couple of reused VOY set elements.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
The Insurrection book had a convenient ability to completely fall apart, so getting scans of the double paged spreads shouldn't be difficult for some people.
Posted by AllansFirebird (Member # 1331) on :
The most I've figured out about the First Contact sets was just a written description in the GEN/FC book:
"We had a lot of corridor--two full quarter-circles of it, with a couple of T-intersections and walways. You could walk for a good five minutes from the engine room set through Jefferies tubes without every walking out of the set."
It also goes on to mention that there was a second level of corridor around Engineering.
Oh, the additional corridor in INS was built onto the observation set behind the bridge, you can see by the way it bends that the turbolift was right behind it.
That's all I've got thus far.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I dunno, I can walk a fair distance in five minutes. . .
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The "second level of corridor" isn't a full set - it was mostly stuff built above and around the exterior of Engineering that isn't visible until the ship got Borgified. Remember the drones dropping from alcoves on the level above? That was pretty cool, but the second floor hasn't been seen since.
Mark
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The redress of the bridge observation lounge as the Deck 9 lounge, plus the new corridor and turbolift station, are shown on page 180 of "The Secrets of ST:INS" by Terry Erdmann. But that's basically all there is on the E-E interiors in that book. The only other set drawing is of the So'na bridge...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
There were several corridor scenes in Insurrection, including:
-The gang walking from Picard's quarters to the Turbolift
-Picard and Geordi heading to Engineering
-Everyone chatting about pimples, shaving, and Data's fine caboose on the way out from the transporter room
The entire coridor set must have been assembled for the movie, including the construction or moving of at least part of the transporter room set from Voyager's stage for that one shot (we didn't see the console, just a blank wall behind where everyone was waiting).
Hey, does anyone recall any significant corridor scenes in Nemesis? I can't recall any walk-and-talks offhand, though they did a ship prep montage shortly before everything started exploding...
Mark
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Only the shootout between Worf, Riker, the Viceroy, and the Remans and then LaForge letting Data jump out into space toward the Scimitar. Oh, also Picard walking out of his quarters at the end of the movie leaving B-4 there. There's also the deleted scene with Troi and Picard walking along discussing Shinzon.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Right... With that memory jog, I'd suspect that not the whole batch of corridors was re-erected for Nemesis. In fact, I'd hazard that they went all-out in First Contact so that they'd a) have all the extra corridor they'd need to Borgify half of it at least in the first battle scene around Engineering, plus the evacuation scenes with those silly snow shovel doors; and b) so they would have EXTRA corridors later for subsequent unknown movie needs. Neither Insurrection nor Nemesis made such good use of the ship sets as First Contact.
Yeah, YOU try to fit that in the exterior superstructure of the model.
FUTHER EDIT - that whole site contains numerous clues as to just how much space they had for corridors on ALL the Trek productions. Note that the TNG movie sets in particular were moved around for each production, as they would be struck entirely between movies and re-erected wherever it made the most sense.
Mark
Posted by AllansFirebird (Member # 1331) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: There were several corridor scenes in Insurrection, including:
-The gang walking from Picard's quarters to the Turbolift
-Picard and Geordi heading to Engineering
-Everyone chatting about pimples, shaving, and Data's fine caboose on the way out from the transporter room
The entire coridor set must have been assembled for the movie, including the construction or moving of at least part of the transporter room set from Voyager's stage for that one shot (we didn't see the console, just a blank wall behind where everyone was waiting).
Hey, does anyone recall any significant corridor scenes in Nemesis? I can't recall any walk-and-talks offhand, though they did a ship prep montage shortly before everything started exploding...
Mark
I don't think that they moved the transporter room for Insurrection. If I remember, we didn't even see them exit a door way from the room, they just exited the frame.
I also believe that the section where Data compares Riker's shaven face was in the side corridor of the Stage 8 Voyager set (where the mess hall and senior officers quarters were).
Now that I think about it, the more that I look at the sets, the more I'm convinced that a lot of sets were redressed Voyager rooms (transporter room, officer's quarters, some corridors, ect...).
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I still want to know what the little semi-circle thing Lily and Picard walked aroun in First Contact was. It didn't look like anything else we've ever seen in the corridor sets.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Nothing was ever mentioned in the script (or at least whatever online ones I could find, which are radically different from what we got). I thought we concluded a while ago that they were most likely just bigger Jeffries tubes. Most other starships had standing-up-sized tubes here and there in addition to the crawlways, including the Pre-E, E-nil (retroactively seen with the Defiant), E-A, E-D, etc.
That, or the corridor had some barriers erected down the middle as a partition for the go-kart rally championship. You see, shipboard events had become somewhat more liberal since all the children were killed along with the Enterprise-D...
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"those silly snow shovel doors"
More like plastic sleds. In fact, they look so much like repurposed sleds that I suspect that's what they might actually be.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
You win a cookie, Mister System.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
A quick check of Insurrection shows that the Voyager corridors outside of Janeway's quarters (which were Picard's in the first place) are used in two walk-and-talk shots on the way to the turbolift. They were simply repainted, and inserts were added at each wall segment junction to make the corridor look a little more like the E-E. All the other corridor shots were on the usual E-E sets.
Mark
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: More like plastic sleds. In fact, they look so much like repurposed sleds that I suspect that's what they might actually be.
Wait, which doors are these? From which movie?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
First Contact. They're the silly doors everyone uses to enter the escape pods.
Mark
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
Oh yeah. I can see it. Never noticed at the time. To be sure, these:
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I wonder if they have Whales and Dolphins on the E-E?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm not alone on the sled thing, right?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
They are nice caps - no matter what they are!
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
I always thought those doors were kinda cool(as I'm sure B&B did, since they describe most things as being "kinda cool"), but they don't seem the most efficient doors to be using at the single most time when you really need the doors to open quickly. Imagine it, the ship's collapsing around you and you're standing there waiting for the bleedin door to finish leaning down so you can get in an escape pod and get off the damned ship.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
They ARE sleds, Sol. That's why you got the cookie.
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
That's gotta be a sled. I tried looking for that kind online, and found several that were close, but no exact matches. Certainly gives me some ideas though. Don't be surprised to find some door(s) in my show resembling these.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
A sled with a center ridge but no side runners?
With a silly keel like that, and with such great beam, I'd think this is a pseudo-aerodynamic cover for an automobile ski box. Or then a toboggan for the truly obese.
Either way, I could see the utility if the pod happens to land on water, snow or other less than solid surface...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
But the escape pods themselves don't incorporate those doors, do they?
Despite what I said above and again, I couldn't find any exact matches, but I fear Timo may be right with the car carrier idea. For one thing, being fiberglass or whatever, they'd be rugged enough to come down and have people walk up them. Of course, the price difference is like $5-20 (US) for plastic toboggans vs. $200-$600 (US) for aerodynamic car carriers which would substantially reduce the economic factor.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I know I'm speaking English...and I can see my words....
Maybe I'm Xaronna or something.
THEY. ARE. SLEDS. I cannot remember the book or article or whathaveyou I read it in, but it was one of the guys who built the sets (Zimmerman, mayhaps) & he said they were sleds.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, but you didn't cite a source earlier.
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
Nor did you state that you'd read/seen/heard/observed it somewhere so I took your responses to be your opinion. I too would be curious as to the source, if nothing else, to get more little tidbits about set-design shortcuts. (and, yes, I do know about the cassette tape holders on the walls from TMP or TWOK or whatever)
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Seriously, i cannot remember. i wish I could. Maybe in the TNG: Continuing Mission book...? I'll look when i get home.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
No, the escape pods don't incoporate those doors. It's just the shipboard entrance to the pod bay.
I'd love to see what the monitors next to the pod entries say.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
"For your safety, the escape pod ejection mechanism is the same as that used on the warp core ejection system".
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