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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I just watched an episode of "Charmed", where Prue was banished to another plane of existence. Now, when the other two sisters tried to find a way to get her back, Phoebe claimed, from a book she was consulting (NOT the 'Book Of Shadows'), that there were actually ELEVEN planes of existence.

Now these guys (writers, producers, directors) are too smart to just splurt something out that is waay too out of whack, so?? I know there of course aren't any other PROVEN planes of existence, but does any of you ladies and gentlemen have any clues as to what the other TEN planes might be?

I got down the astral plane and death... But there must be more!
This would be, like, the ultimate topic (especially regarding science-fiction) and yet I know close to nothing aboot it...

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Charmed? Oy.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
Erm, the "Alyssa Milano is hot" plane is really the only one I can think of.

Was your remote broken, or something?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, I don't know anything about the whole fantasy genre, but, from a scientific standpoint, they could be referring to the superstring theory, which requires eleven spatial dimensions in the universe (or twenty-something; I'm not sure if they ever decided which).

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Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Well, it sounded like they must've put SOME thought in it to set the number at eleven, but I guess a total breakdown/analysis of them is a bit of a tall order on this place.
Just thought it was interesting, is all. I'll be checking out that superstring-thing.

Don't even comment on Alyssa, that's a given! She's just...well...yum.
I couldn't believe it when I read that SHE was Arnold's daughter in "Commando".

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
*Ahem*

WHO'S THE BOSS!?!?

*poing-poings away*

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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
 
Well since the show obviously has a fantasy theme to it I will go with that.
Planes besides ours:

Astral
Air
Earth
Fire
Water
Limbo
Abyss

Those are some that I found out of a D&D book. Don't really think they have any truth behind them but you never know.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Now we're getting somewhere!

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, you may as well toss the traditional "heaven" and "hell" in there, too...

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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Don't forget the Beverly Hills plane and the Plane of Cosmetic Augmentation, because we're talking about a show by Aaron Spelling!

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I think we'll set that aside for the moment, but we're just two planes shy now, adding H and H. Although I don't know if they're supported in "Charmed", but I 'think' they did an ep about an angel or such. Now that I remember, Piper sometimes calls her "whitelighter"-boyfriend an angel (could just be compliment) and in the last ep I saw, the one where they looked up the planes, thery were battling the FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE!!! That should be proof enough.
That's it. Heaven and hell are in!
Maybe they are also counting the planes their enemies sometimes stay in, the place they teleport/transport from when entering and when fleeing...

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Kronos, Methos, Silas and Caspian appeared on "Charmed"? Sweet! =)

The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse seem to be popular these days. They appeared in "Highlander: The Series" fifth season, "Comes A Horseman"/"Revelations 6:8." MacLeod got two of 'em, and Methos ("Death") took out Silas.

"The Three Horsemen of the Apocalypse ... doesn't quite have the same ring, now does it?" - MacLeod after killing Caspian

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Yep, Brian Thompson and Patrick KilPatrick as War and Death. They've a pretty impressive record in Sci-Fi TV-shows, seven or eight parts in Trek alone.
I bet they like it. I still like that pesky little punk the Terminator gutted.

That MacLeod-quote was great, btw.


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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
It was a good quote! Especially the expression on Kronos' face, and the smirk on MacLeod's.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Just out of curiosity, who in the world came up w/ the names "Kronos", "Methos", "Silas", and "Caspian"? Kronos is a Greek Titan who was truned into Saturn by the Romans. Caspian is a sea over by Russia. Silas is just a not-too-popular-anymore name. And, as far as I can tell, "Methos" isn't even a word.

And there was no mention of Thanatos ("Death"), the only Horseman that was actually named...

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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Well, Methos was a series "regular" from the 3rd season on. He was already about 2500 years old when the Horsemen rode, and its possible he went under the name of Thanatos at the time (although the other Horsemen, all Immortal, called him by the name they probably knew him from before).

Kronos was another old Immie, about 4000 years old when MacLeod killed him in the 5th season, and hey, maybe he was the basis for the Greek titan myth, hmmm?

I don't know where they came up with the names of Silas and Caspian. Quite possibly, Caspian was born near the Caspian sea, and took the name (like in the movie, the Kurgan was from an ancient people called the Kurgans, so he kept that name). And Silas has always liked the unpopular things ... goes back to when he was a kid (he's also one of the few Immortals to use a weapon *other* than a sword)

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
Superstring theory requires ten dimensions, if memory serves, its just that all but four dimensions (x, y, z, t) got squished into infintesimally small loops (the superstrings themselves). At least, I'm fairly sure that's how it works. And even if that is how it works, don't ask me how a dimension gets squished.

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Posted by chrono on :
 
Gawd sombody actually watches that show!

Astral - the Dream plane, think Freddy

Ethereal - a barrier plane the is like a "NON" distance plane, also much like the Astral plane

Elemental planes:
Air
Earth
Fire
Water

Limbo - plane of NON-time or time (depends on who you ask)
Abyss - hell
Narvana - heaven

Order - or perfect law
Chaos - much like Limbo, but completely random

Basically man's extremes made reality.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Jeff: Hm... Is it safe, then, to assume that these "Horsemen" of Highlander are not meant to be the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse? Rather, that they're just four of the immortals who call themselves such?

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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Nice list, man!
Hey! I've BEEN on the air plane, several times actually!!! (Stomache-acids flow due to pun, aargh)

The Kurgans never existed, did they?

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
That was Alyssa Milano in Commando? No way. *looks it up* Well, fuck me.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
No, they're actually meant to be the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse ...

Who just happened to be Immortal. There's a line in the episode that clears up any doubt, I forget exactly how it goes:

"The Horsemen ... are legend, if they existed, it was thousands of years ago..." - MacLeod

"They were real, alright, and your friend Methos was one of them ..." - Cassandra

The Kurgans *did* exist! About 3,000 years ago or so. Very vicious people, although I don't actually know if they threw small children to dogs for food.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Without bashing them, I must say the russian people always HAVE been rather special. A different society, different psychology. And the Kurgans might be a cornerstone to the whole soup, then.

IIRC, the four horsies never were a christian legend/myth but a greek one, I recently saw a quote from Socrates or Aristoteles, naming three of them.

But perhaps they are mentioned in the Book anyway, aren't they? Along with that famous pale horse I've heard so much about in many "western's".

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Aboot the "four elements", didn't Data have a point when he said that fire isn't a separate element, in that ep where he lost his memory in a medieval village.

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
They are in the bible ...

Revelations 6:8 (hence the Highlander-ep name!)

"I looked, and there was a pale green horse. Its rider was named Death, and Hades accompanied him. They were given authority over a quarter of the earth, to kill with sword, famine and plague, and by means of the beasts of the earth."

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, of course they're in the bible... I thought pretty much everyone knew that. I thought that was the only reference to them that most people knew of at all...

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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
The quote from Aristotle doesn't describe an actual quartet of horsemen, just the consequences.

"From time to time it is necessary that pestilence, famine, and war prune the luxuriant growth of the human race"

-- Aristotle 384-322 b.c

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Yes, I wasn't aware they were referenced anywhere *BUT* the Bible. Well, that and "Highlander" ...

Does Aristotle speak of the Horsemen? Because, he's being kind of vague there, you know ...

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Read my post again.

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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Yeah, I'd say Aristotle was just being general there. No connection to the Apocalyptic Mounties...

Two of the Four Horsemen represented war and death. One of them is a "conqueror", which is practically the same as war. And the other one, although usually called "famine", actually represents inflation, given the words used. The bible I've got right here calls them "war" (the conqueror), "strife" (the war one), "famine" (inflation), and "pestilence" (even though the actual biblical text specifically calls him "thanatos", which means "death").

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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
 


Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
 
I must've missed that part. Which book did Aristotle scribble that in?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I think TSN was referring to the bible.
 
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Which is about as full of holes big enuff' to drive a starship thru...

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Now, calm down, Skeeter! He ain't hurtin nobody...
 
Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :
 
I prefer Good Omens version.
Death- tall guy, doesn't say much, and is the leader.
War- hot babe who causes fighting/wars wherever she goes (she's also a redhead, goes with her firey personality).
Famine- a guy who runs a multi-million "super model" type of food corporation where no matter how much of the food you eat, you still get skinnier.
Pollution (Pestilince got tired of it and quit )- Causes pollution and unhealthy conditions wherever he goes.

Of course there were also the 4 other horsemen who I forget but they were wannabes who followed the real ones on their motorcycles (Yes, the 3 horsemen and one horsewoman rode motorcycles to the apocalypse).

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Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
 
And you have all the various Four Horsemen from other franchises, such as the X-men comics. I never liked them, because they always ended up being such incredible pansies that could be defeated while the heroes hardly had to work up a sweat. Also, the artwork was typically wretched for those issues.

Damn, now that I'm thinking on it, I believe virtually every Marvel comic has at one time had a Four Horsemen cell...and they were ALWAYS pussies that got whipped in one issue. I swear, for a company that can make a guy with a name like Dr.Doom actually seem imposing, they do horrid jobs with anything even remotely biblically inspired. Re: a character named the Crusader, who derived his strength from his faith in God. Might be cool, except he was a fucking nutsack, like most comic book villians. Ah, but I digress.

speaking of the highlander eps, these guys sure as hell didn't live up to their name, did they? If one guy with a mail order katana and a buck and a nickel weakling can take them out, they received some major over-hype from the ancient scribes.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Well, the "buck and nickel weakling" (I assume you mean Methos?) was in fact ONE of the Four Horseman, and he turned against them ...

And, c'mon, we're talking about Dooncan MacLeod ... the sword choreography on Highlander: The Series was top par, and the final fight between Mac and Kronos was excellent, and honestly, it looked like it could've gone either way, but to run it down real quick:

Horsemen SILAS and CASPIAN ambush MacLeod on a bridge. Silas waits while Caspian fights Mac. Mac feints and takes Caspian's head, then leaps off the bridge into the water below before Silas can take his.

Later, MacLeod learns where the remaing Horsemen -- Kronos, Methos & Silas -- are held up and goes to find them. "Three Horsemen, doesn't quite have the same ring, does it?" He tells Kronos. Kronos and MacLeod fight, and Methos goes to challenge Silas, who is guarding Cassandra (another Immortal) who was once one of the Horsemen's slaves and was captured by them while she and Mac were hunting them.

Anyway, Mac gets Kronos, and Methos gets Silas.

There was a flashback with Kronos and Mac meeting for the first time in the mid-1800's. Kronos nearly killed Mac then, but some Texas Rangers intervened and shot Kronos dead (well, as dead as an Immortal can be).

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Replying to "84" up there, I think the previous staff of four horsemen was pretty good. Wolverine and his big-ass scimitar was unbeatable when he was evil. And "Holocaust" has always been one of the top warriors of all time in Marvel. If you've seen any of his bouts with Cable or X-Man you know what I mean.

Keep in mind that these aren't the REAL four horsemen that supposedly kill millions of people every day, but merely four corrupted persons under the leadership of En-Shabbah Nur, which he only seem to summon for "special" missions, every now and then when he thinks of a cunning plan.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
Wolverine!?? Shit, must have missed that one.

Who were the Marvel "horsemen", anyway? Holocaust and Archangel are the only two I can think of.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Well Holocaust is War, and Apocalypse's son.

Archangel was a horseman for a time. When villains called the Marauders broke his wings off in the massacre in the morlock-tunnels, he was rescued from suicide by Apocalypse, who made his wings grow back, organic steel-wings made from the same material as himself. About two years ago he got his real wings back, becoming Angel again.

The position of the four horsemen is often changing, with different people being Death, Pestilence and Famine. I think I can find out who has been what during the years.

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His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
If you'd be so good.

I didn't know that Holocaust was Apocalypse's son - didn't he act as a foster-parent/tyrant to Stryfe as well?

And with regards to Holocaust himself, was he a Horseman in The Age Of Apocalypse, or since himself and X-Man arrived on Earth (via the M'Krann Crystal)?

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Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
 
Okay, Holocaust was cool. But he didn't appear until the Age of Apocalypse storyline, and I admit to not reading too many x-men comics after that.

Horrible tangent alert.

Claremont was gone and the whole thing had turned into a big mess that wasn't interesting to me anymore. When Rogues accent kept going from super stereotypical southern belle to relatively normal, I was annoyed. But then Gambit's accent did the same thing, and then Cannonball started sounding like the biggest hillbilly on earth (this, after being the competant leader of X-force who DIDN'T sound like Jethro Bodine asking for viddles...fuck.)...and then the emergance of countless new characters to an already over filling cast. It was, as I said, a mess to me. That Onslaught crap was the absolute last straw...but I digress.

I never liked Apocalypse, so i'm biased. His super skewed view of evolution (taking "only the strong will survive" motto to the extreme) was interesting, but he never seemed like a threat to me. I suppose in the grand scheme of things, he was a bad ass but...Okay, I admit it. It's those LIPS of his. And the big "A" on his belt buckle. And the fact that Dazzler once kicked his butt. Dazzler! Marvel let her trash Galactus too! Can you imagine? a disco star with pretty lights defeats the Ravager of Worlds? Are they mad?

Sorry. Too much coffee. Getting pissed about bad comics is never a good sign. Maybe I'll go into de-tox for comics and caffiene.

Yeah, I think Methos is cool. Being sarcastical when I called him a "buck and a nickel weakling." Still, the hype for the Highlander Horsemen was a bit much. It always is, I know. They have to make you want to watch, don't they?

Jesus, what was this thread about, again?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
The eleven planes of existence, as stated by Phoebe Halliwell in episode "Apocalypse Not", of "Charmed".

Most of the alternatives have been summarized, so the interesting evolution into "Highlander", the bible and Marvel Comics is, well...interesting.

I'm not sure if Holocaust was a horseman in the other timeline, Apocalypse started the Horse-thing in our timeline when he had Warren Worthington and Exodus as Death and Famine.

Stryfe is a clone of Cable, made to replace him if he had died in the other timeline. The clone was stolen by Apocalypse, who proclaimed himself foster-father and nurtured the childs arrogance and anger, raising him into a nice little monster.

Archangel, Caliban and Wolverine (in that order) have been Death. I have seen Famine and Pestilence, I think Random was one of them.

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His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
"Good Omens" was one of the coolest books ever written.
And a lot closer to the truth than anybody knows.

Horseman in "Age of Apocalypse" included Holocaust, Abyss, and Mikhail Rasputin. I forget who the 4th was.

Apocalypse also aggravates me because although he's a really powerful bad guy (or was, before he merged with Cyclops?), he looks like a blasted CLOWN in that exosuit outfit, with that blue around the lips.

And why can't OUR Magneto, or Polaris, or some magnetic field - powered good guy do to him what Age of Apocalypse Magneto did to him? SPLORCCH!

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I see you've "humbled" up your handle, Foist.

I didn't know you read Marvel, that's a turnip. (u)
Of course, why admit it until you have something to point out about it, you big librarian you.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
OK, it's really difficult to get half the comics over here, (I don't buy them anyway, just plonk myself down in the bookstore and read efverything, but...) so a lot of what I know has been reaved off the Marvel website.

Holocaust was a Horseman in the parallel timeline.

Knew about Stryfe, Caliban and Angel, and had forgotten about Exodus, but who the hell is Random? Never heard of him/her.

And Wolverine?! What the hell is the story behind that? I never heard of that. Was it from his distant past, or more recently, or was it in the Age Of Apocalypse itself?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Well my brother has found a great place in Stockholm that can mail the stuff home to him, so he lets me borrow everything he's finished reading.


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The wolverine-story is intimately connected to Apocalypse's latest (last?) scheme. Apocalypse gave Logan a choice, be a horseman or he'll just take another teammate. Logan thought he could handle it but...

So, Apocalypse summoned twelve seemingly unconnected mutants, their connection was later explained, and their gathered forces amplified him into a superbeing.

It wasn't complete, though, until he had absorbed the body of Nate Grey (X-Man), at which point Cyclops intervened and sacrificed himself in X-Man's place. The outcome was pretty much the same, and now nobody knows where either of them are, presently.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Random was a guy who could turn his forearms into big organic-energy guns, or somesuch.

Yeah, I read some Marvel, and some DC, and some Vertigo, and the occasional independent (Like Caliber's constantly very late Sherlock Holmes).

I only read a few Marvel series anymore. generally I pick up stuff set in alternate universes, because I like that kind of weird stuff, and how they alter the characters.

In fact, the only "regular-continuity" Marvel comics I read are Generation X, which is due to end its run in 2 more issues, and Punisher, which just ended a 12-issue series. The other stuff is all set in MC2 or Universe-X or some other world, like Mutant X.

Similarly, the DC stuff I like most are the Elseworlds books and miniseries, Kingdom-Come, and Earth-2 type books.

Vertigo? Dreaming, Books of Magic, Invisibles (I, II , and III), and related comics series.

Unfortunately, the comics market is in kind of a slump (people just aren't buying anymore), so I tend to have just enough time to get interested in a comic before they cancel it.

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"My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q



 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Well there you go. I'm at Punisher #11 right now, gonna read it now in fact (It's 0:32 here), and if you didn't know, they've started a new Punisher-series called "Punisher/Painkiller Jane", looks good also.

I hope they get out of that "slump", I think Samuel L. had a few points about it all, in "Unbreakable". If you haven't seen it he talked a bit about the ancient language of symbols and how it's survived into comic books in a certain sense, unfortunately distorted by greed and moneymaking in some cases...

*NOTE TO SELF: REMEMBER TO ASK MR CAPPS TO PUT SOME MORE SPACE BETWEEN THE "SUBMIT" BUTTON AND THE "CLEAR FIELDS" BUTTON*

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram



 


Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
I believe that Punisher/Painkiller Jane was a one-shot, not a new series. At least, it was the only issue solicited. I got it. Very funny.

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"My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q



 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Me feeling that, Sir Rod, me feeling that.

-How long has it been, Mr. Bumpo?
-About twenty minutes, Mr. Smith.
-We'll give it another ten.
-Okeydokey.

Bloody marvelous!!! I don't think Punisher has been this good ever!

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram



 


Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
I still remember "It's... bears" from... Issue #3, I think.

GOD, this was a funny book!

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"My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q



 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
"Cuddly, docile...that won't do at all... *smack*"

Poor little bears, they prolly put them to sleep...

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


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