Now these guys (writers, producers, directors) are too smart to just splurt something out that is waay too out of whack, so?? I know there of course aren't any other PROVEN planes of existence, but does any of you ladies and gentlemen have any clues as to what the other TEN planes might be?
I got down the astral plane and death... But there must be more!
This would be, like, the ultimate topic (especially regarding science-fiction) and yet I know close to nothing aboot it...
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
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love's function is to fabricate unknownnness
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E. E. Cummings
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Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! And party everyday.
Was your remote broken, or something?
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Equality, Cooperation & Benevolence.
Vote Communist Party of America 2000.
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
Don't even comment on Alyssa, that's a given! She's just...well...yum.
I couldn't believe it when I read that SHE was Arnold's daughter in "Commando".
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
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WHO'S THE BOSS!?!?
*poing-poings away*
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Remember December '59
The howling wind and the driving rain,
Remember the gallant men who drowned
On the lifeboat, Mona was her name.
Astral
Air
Earth
Fire
Water
Limbo
Abyss
Those are some that I found out of a D&D book. Don't really think they have any truth behind them but you never know.
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Death before Dishonor!
However Dishonor has
quite a disputed defintion.
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
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love's function is to fabricate unknownnness
--
E. E. Cummings
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Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! And party everyday.
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
The Four Horseman of the Apocalypse seem to be popular these days. They appeared in "Highlander: The Series" fifth season, "Comes A Horseman"/"Revelations 6:8." MacLeod got two of 'em, and Methos ("Death") took out Silas.
"The Three Horsemen of the Apocalypse ... doesn't quite have the same ring, now does it?" - MacLeod after killing Caspian
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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I'll hug your elephant if you'll kiss my ass.
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited November 05, 2000).]
That MacLeod-quote was great, btw.
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited November 05, 2000).]
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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I'll hug your elephant if you'll kiss my ass.
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
And there was no mention of Thanatos ("Death"), the only Horseman that was actually named...
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
Kronos was another old Immie, about 4000 years old when MacLeod killed him in the 5th season, and hey, maybe he was the basis for the Greek titan myth, hmmm?
I don't know where they came up with the names of Silas and Caspian. Quite possibly, Caspian was born near the Caspian sea, and took the name (like in the movie, the Kurgan was from an ancient people called the Kurgans, so he kept that name). And Silas has always liked the unpopular things ... goes back to when he was a kid (he's also one of the few Immortals to use a weapon *other* than a sword)
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos
"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
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It has been brought to my attention that I need a new signature. Unfortunately, I don't happen to have a new one handy since no one's been by TrekSunday in a while to make witty or otherwise amusing comments. Don't you feel guilty now? ;)
Astral - the Dream plane, think Freddy
Ethereal - a barrier plane the is like a "NON" distance plane, also much like the Astral plane
Elemental planes:
Air
Earth
Fire
Water
Limbo - plane of NON-time or time (depends on who you ask)
Abyss - hell
Narvana - heaven
Order - or perfect law
Chaos - much like Limbo, but completely random
Basically man's extremes made reality.
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Digital Socery
-the realites BEYOND-
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
The Kurgans never existed, did they?
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited November 06, 2000).]
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"I do prefer the arse, but you can't dismiss the leg. They're joined at the hip, so to speak."
- Liam Kavanagh
Who just happened to be Immortal. There's a line in the episode that clears up any doubt, I forget exactly how it goes:
"The Horsemen ... are legend, if they existed, it was thousands of years ago..." - MacLeod
"They were real, alright, and your friend Methos was one of them ..." - Cassandra
The Kurgans *did* exist! About 3,000 years ago or so. Very vicious people, although I don't actually know if they threw small children to dogs for food.
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos
"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
IIRC, the four horsies never were a christian legend/myth but a greek one, I recently saw a quote from Socrates or Aristoteles, naming three of them.
But perhaps they are mentioned in the Book anyway, aren't they? Along with that famous pale horse I've heard so much about in many "western's".
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
Revelations 6:8 (hence the Highlander-ep name!)
"I looked, and there was a pale green horse. Its rider was named Death, and Hades accompanied him. They were given authority over a quarter of the earth, to kill with sword, famine and plague, and by means of the beasts of the earth."
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos
"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
"From time to time it is necessary that pestilence, famine, and war prune the luxuriant growth of the human race"
-- Aristotle 384-322 b.c
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
Does Aristotle speak of the Horsemen? Because, he's being kind of vague there, you know ...
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Gore/Lieberman 2000
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"You still don't understand, do you MacLeod? I am the End of Time!" - Kronos
"You're history!" - MacLeod
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"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush
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So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...
Two of the Four Horsemen represented war and death. One of them is a "conqueror", which is practically the same as war. And the other one, although usually called "famine", actually represents inflation, given the words used. The bible I've got right here calls them "war" (the conqueror), "strife" (the war one), "famine" (inflation), and "pestilence" (even though the actual biblical text specifically calls him "thanatos", which means "death").
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"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000
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Between the idea and the reality, comes the Shadow
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"Omae o korusu..." - Heero Yuy
Of course there were also the 4 other horsemen who I forget but they were wannabes who followed the real ones on their motorcycles (Yes, the 3 horsemen and one horsewoman rode motorcycles to the apocalypse).
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Damn, now that I'm thinking on it, I believe virtually every Marvel comic has at one time had a Four Horsemen cell...and they were ALWAYS pussies that got whipped in one issue. I swear, for a company that can make a guy with a name like Dr.Doom actually seem imposing, they do horrid jobs with anything even remotely biblically inspired. Re: a character named the Crusader, who derived his strength from his faith in God. Might be cool, except he was a fucking nutsack, like most comic book villians. Ah, but I digress.
speaking of the highlander eps, these guys sure as hell didn't live up to their name, did they? If one guy with a mail order katana and a buck and a nickel weakling can take them out, they received some major over-hype from the ancient scribes.
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Between the idea and the reality, comes the Shadow
And, c'mon, we're talking about Dooncan MacLeod ... the sword choreography on Highlander: The Series was top par, and the final fight between Mac and Kronos was excellent, and honestly, it looked like it could've gone either way, but to run it down real quick:
Horsemen SILAS and CASPIAN ambush MacLeod on a bridge. Silas waits while Caspian fights Mac. Mac feints and takes Caspian's head, then leaps off the bridge into the water below before Silas can take his.
Later, MacLeod learns where the remaing Horsemen -- Kronos, Methos & Silas -- are held up and goes to find them. "Three Horsemen, doesn't quite have the same ring, does it?" He tells Kronos. Kronos and MacLeod fight, and Methos goes to challenge Silas, who is guarding Cassandra (another Immortal) who was once one of the Horsemen's slaves and was captured by them while she and Mac were hunting them.
Anyway, Mac gets Kronos, and Methos gets Silas.
There was a flashback with Kronos and Mac meeting for the first time in the mid-1800's. Kronos nearly killed Mac then, but some Texas Rangers intervened and shot Kronos dead (well, as dead as an Immortal can be).
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Forum Member Who Shall Be Nameless. 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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Keep in mind that these aren't the REAL four horsemen that supposedly kill millions of people every day, but merely four corrupted persons under the leadership of En-Shabbah Nur, which he only seem to summon for "special" missions, every now and then when he thinks of a cunning plan.
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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.
-Tleilaxu Epigram
Who were the Marvel "horsemen", anyway? Holocaust and Archangel are the only two I can think of.
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"Sack me!? I MADE the BBC!!"
Archangel was a horseman for a time. When villains called the Marauders broke his wings off in the massacre in the morlock-tunnels, he was rescued from suicide by Apocalypse, who made his wings grow back, organic steel-wings made from the same material as himself. About two years ago he got his real wings back, becoming Angel again.
The position of the four horsemen is often changing, with different people being Death, Pestilence and Famine. I think I can find out who has been what during the years.
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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.
-Tleilaxu Epigram
[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited January 23, 2001).]
I didn't know that Holocaust was Apocalypse's son - didn't he act as a foster-parent/tyrant to Stryfe as well?
And with regards to Holocaust himself, was he a Horseman in The Age Of Apocalypse, or since himself and X-Man arrived on Earth (via the M'Krann Crystal)?
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"Sack me!? I MADE the BBC!!"
Horrible tangent alert.
Claremont was gone and the whole thing had turned into a big mess that wasn't interesting to me anymore. When Rogues accent kept going from super stereotypical southern belle to relatively normal, I was annoyed. But then Gambit's accent did the same thing, and then Cannonball started sounding like the biggest hillbilly on earth (this, after being the competant leader of X-force who DIDN'T sound like Jethro Bodine asking for viddles...fuck.)...and then the emergance of countless new characters to an already over filling cast. It was, as I said, a mess to me. That Onslaught crap was the absolute last straw...but I digress.
I never liked Apocalypse, so i'm biased. His super skewed view of evolution (taking "only the strong will survive" motto to the extreme) was interesting, but he never seemed like a threat to me. I suppose in the grand scheme of things, he was a bad ass but...Okay, I admit it. It's those LIPS of his. And the big "A" on his belt buckle. And the fact that Dazzler once kicked his butt. Dazzler! Marvel let her trash Galactus too! Can you imagine? a disco star with pretty lights defeats the Ravager of Worlds? Are they mad?
Sorry. Too much coffee. Getting pissed about bad comics is never a good sign. Maybe I'll go into de-tox for comics and caffiene.
Yeah, I think Methos is cool. Being sarcastical when I called him a "buck and a nickel weakling." Still, the hype for the Highlander Horsemen was a bit much. It always is, I know. They have to make you want to watch, don't they?
Jesus, what was this thread about, again?
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Between the idea and the reality, comes the Shadow
Most of the alternatives have been summarized, so the interesting evolution into "Highlander", the bible and Marvel Comics is, well...interesting.
I'm not sure if Holocaust was a horseman in the other timeline, Apocalypse started the Horse-thing in our timeline when he had Warren Worthington and Exodus as Death and Famine.
Stryfe is a clone of Cable, made to replace him if he had died in the other timeline. The clone was stolen by Apocalypse, who proclaimed himself foster-father and nurtured the childs arrogance and anger, raising him into a nice little monster.
Archangel, Caliban and Wolverine (in that order) have been Death. I have seen Famine and Pestilence, I think Random was one of them.
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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.
-Tleilaxu Epigram
Horseman in "Age of Apocalypse" included Holocaust, Abyss, and Mikhail Rasputin. I forget who the 4th was.
Apocalypse also aggravates me because although he's a really powerful bad guy (or was, before he merged with Cyclops?), he looks like a blasted CLOWN in that exosuit outfit, with that blue around the lips.
And why can't OUR Magneto, or Polaris, or some magnetic field - powered good guy do to him what Age of Apocalypse Magneto did to him? SPLORCCH!
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"My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q
I didn't know you read Marvel, that's a turnip. (u)
Of course, why admit it until you have something to point out about it, you big librarian you.
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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.
-Tleilaxu Epigram
Holocaust was a Horseman in the parallel timeline.
Knew about Stryfe, Caliban and Angel, and had forgotten about Exodus, but who the hell is Random? Never heard of him/her.
And Wolverine?! What the hell is the story behind that? I never heard of that. Was it from his distant past, or more recently, or was it in the Age Of Apocalypse itself?
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"Sack me!? I MADE the BBC!!"
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The wolverine-story is intimately connected to Apocalypse's latest (last?) scheme. Apocalypse gave Logan a choice, be a horseman or he'll just take another teammate. Logan thought he could handle it but...
So, Apocalypse summoned twelve seemingly unconnected mutants, their connection was later explained, and their gathered forces amplified him into a superbeing.
It wasn't complete, though, until he had absorbed the body of Nate Grey (X-Man), at which point Cyclops intervened and sacrificed himself in X-Man's place. The outcome was pretty much the same, and now nobody knows where either of them are, presently.
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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.
-Tleilaxu Epigram
[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited January 24, 2001).]
Yeah, I read some Marvel, and some DC, and some Vertigo, and the occasional independent (Like Caliber's constantly very late Sherlock Holmes).
I only read a few Marvel series anymore. generally I pick up stuff set in alternate universes, because I like that kind of weird stuff, and how they alter the characters.
In fact, the only "regular-continuity" Marvel comics I read are Generation X, which is due to end its run in 2 more issues, and Punisher, which just ended a 12-issue series. The other stuff is all set in MC2 or Universe-X or some other world, like Mutant X.
Similarly, the DC stuff I like most are the Elseworlds books and miniseries, Kingdom-Come, and Earth-2 type books.
Vertigo? Dreaming, Books of Magic, Invisibles (I, II , and III), and related comics series.
Unfortunately, the comics market is in kind of a slump (people just aren't buying anymore), so I tend to have just enough time to get interested in a comic before they cancel it.
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"My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q
I hope they get out of that "slump", I think Samuel L. had a few points about it all, in "Unbreakable". If you haven't seen it he talked a bit about the ancient language of symbols and how it's survived into comic books in a certain sense, unfortunately distorted by greed and moneymaking in some cases...
*NOTE TO SELF: REMEMBER TO ASK MR CAPPS TO PUT SOME MORE SPACE BETWEEN THE "SUBMIT" BUTTON AND THE "CLEAR FIELDS" BUTTON*
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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.
-Tleilaxu Epigram
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"My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q
-How long has it been, Mr. Bumpo?
-About twenty minutes, Mr. Smith.
-We'll give it another ten.
-Okeydokey.
Bloody marvelous!!! I don't think Punisher has been this good ever!
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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.
-Tleilaxu Epigram
GOD, this was a funny book!
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"My knowledge and experience far exceeds your own, by, oh, about a BILLION times!" -- Q
Poor little bears, they prolly put them to sleep...
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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.
-Tleilaxu Epigram
[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited January 25, 2001).]