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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
I went poking around some TF sites and boards for the first time in a while, and found out the next series has been revealed. Here's what I've been able to put together:

It will be entitled "Transformers: Robots in Disguise." Yes, the old catch phrase is back!

Instead of being a CGI series made by Mainframe, "Robots in Disguise" will be a dub of Japan's latest cel-animated TF series "Car Robots."

"Car Robots" is apparantly an alternate universe TF series, but "Robots in Disguise" may have dialogue altered to make it fit into North American continuity.

"Car Robots" takes place in 2001, with Autobots vs. Predacons (from the future), although as stated, this may change in the American dub.

A lot of the characters in "Robots in Disguise" will have the same names as classic TF characters, like Optimus Prime.

Voice actors haven't been announced yet, so they might be those from Beast Wars/Machines, or they might get some of those from the original TF series back (goodness knows Peter Cullen's been active doing promos for Toonami lately).

It should be airing this fall on Fox.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
I am, unsurprisingly, quite excited.

They really should look into Peter Cullen as Prime. I can't think of anyone better.

Is Robert Stack still alive?

I've watched a few translated episodes of 'Car Robots' and, despite the lack of a name bearing any semblance of imagination, they weren't complete pants.

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
I think Robert Stack is still alive. Speaking of which, is Unsolved Mysteries still making new episodes? I haven't seen commercials for it lately, but I never heard anything about it being cancelled either.

If any G1 voice actor would return, I would say it would be Susan Blu (spelling?). After all, she was the voice director for Beast Wars/Machines, and did do the voice of Transmutate.

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- Jay Sherman, The Critic.

 


Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Apparently, the voice work will be done by the Ocean Group. Which isn't that surprising. Still, at least after having already dubbed around 9 million other anime shows, they'll have afair amount of experience.

Some silly people were sad at this, because it meant that david Kaye couldn't do Megatron (Gigatron), the Preadacon leader. Those people are stupid, though.

Since we've got the BW voice team working on them, I see:

David Kaye as Megatron (since there's NOTHING to indicate that this is G1 Megatron. I'd much rather it be BW Megatron. Apart from being a better character, it's a nice body for him. Far better than his BM "Body".)

Ian chorlett as Speedbreaker (he's an annoying little shit, who transforms into a fast thing. *cough*)

Scott McNeil as everyone else.

Actually, I'm not that thrilled by it. Partly because I know have to wade through message boards full of people going "Yes! Carz rulez! Optimus is a truck not a monkey!" and so on. Also "People don't want beasts! They want cars!" when they actually mean "the public loved beasts! BW sold like hot cakes! But I want cars, because I live in the past!".

Oh, and they are also completely failing to realise that, since most of them have the Car Robots toys already, they aren't getting new toys for a year (current "official story" is that this show is a place-holder, and we'll get the next US TF story either late this year or early next year).

Tsk. Still, at least this'll give me an excuse to get JRX.

What? He's not coming out? Bastards!

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
""Car Robots" takes place in 2001, with Autobots vs. Predacons (from the future), although as stated, this may change in the American dub."

And just to be picky, Car Robots has the Cybertrons vs the Destrongers. Cybertrons = ALL the good guys. The Autobots were called Cybertrons in the original series. The Maximals are called Cybertrons in Beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, Beast Wars: For Great Justice! And so on.

The Decepticons/Predacons have been called either Destron or Destrongers. The Autobot/Predacon idea has probably come from the fact that, in Car Robots, the Cybertrons use the G1 Autobot logo, and the Destrongers use the Predacon logo. Or some of them do. Some use an upside down G2 Autobot logo.

I wonder what black convoy would be called... and who'll do his voice? Brian Drummond (Vegeta/Jetstorm)?

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
I'm confused. Can David Kaye do Megatron again or not?

And I'll be the first to admit that my knowledge of Japanese TFs is limited at best.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Sorry, I was slagging off people on Transformer newsgroups who SHOULD KNOW BETTER!

Yes he can. The Ocean group, which dub(ed) DragonBall Z, Gundam Wing, and, er, other anime that isn't Sailor moon or Pokemon or, er, others, also did the voices for Beast Wars. Type Scott McNeil into the Internet Movie Database, and you'll see literally some things that he's done.

So, yeah, all the BW guys will almost certainly be doing Robots in Disguise. And David Kaye's a shoe-in for Gigatron/Megatron (argh! If they're going for "Predacons", why didn't they just keep the name "Gigatron". He's rather obviously not like Megatron (as oppossed to how much Fire Convoy looks like Prime). I dunno if Gary Chalk will do Prime though...

Still, I wonder how'll they'll explain the fact that the series starts off in Japan? Because foreign = evil.

Still, we should just be thankful that there aren't any lesbians in it.

Hang on...

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-Bubbles
 


Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
Beast Wars: For Great Justice!, Indeed.

[It's 240kb, and fast moving. It's the best I could do unless you want a 8MB .swf file.]

Liam: I see you = using ='s now. You = rule!

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
"Car Robots"? How imaginative. "Robots In Disguise", do they need a support group? "Friends, say hello to autotechnitron. -HIIIII AUTOTECHNITROOOOON...."

I liked RoboTech better... More detailed, more realistic. And dramatic. And no laughing washing machines.

No, I'll take 'guardian-configuration' over flying dumptrucks any day.

There, that should stir things up nicely.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
No it won't.

Laughing washing machines?

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
"Robotech?" You asshole....

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
Ultra Magnus, I hereby declare you to be officially frightening me.

I shall think Robotech was pretty good so long as the mental block in my brain preventing me from remembering how an obnoxious tone-deaf girl is able to convince millions of genetically-engineered warriors to surrender simply by singing to them remains. I should also note that I am still quite annoyed at Cartoon Network for not airing the Invid Invasion episodes.

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"The only good thing about this film is the edible chocolate roaches they gave out. Mmm, mmm... Wait a minute, edible roaches don't crawl. Edible roaches don't crawl!"

- Jay Sherman, The Critic.

 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Well, I get a big nostalgia-kick from it as well, but "Transformers" does nothing for me. Look, I wasn't being dead-serious about the whole robo-manga debate, it's such a subjective area. Just thought I'd shift the balance, is all. Feggedaboutit.

Shik: You're slightly less cool when you're vulgar.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram
 


Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Pfft. I'd rather watch "Macross," "Southern Cross," & "Mospeada." In the original forms, not as some sort of hodgy-podgy mishmash.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I should point out at this juncture that Transformers is in no-way "robo-manga". Since it didn't have a manga strip (almost. There were a couple of Beast Wars manga strips. And very violent they were too), and second, Transformers (the show) originated in the US.

And it had a far better theme tune too. "Just one beat, communication"? Please... Burning Overdrive, now THAT's a theme tune. "Go Boy, Convoy!"

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-Bubbles
 


Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Incidentally, my comic book source informs me that Vol. 1 of a Transformers recognition manual will be released sometime around May.

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Have you guys every checked out Transformer the movie??

If not, I'm tell you now, it kicks ass!!!

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
"I'm tell you now"?
What you say? Now people are starting to talk like that to...

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We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
To whom?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Oh, how delightfully foul!
That's it!! No more disney channel for you, buster...

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram
 


Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
oh what??

how does a topic of Transformer the movie got side tracked into the Disney Channel?
 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Ask Mr Dictionary up there.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram
 


Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
I don't think any of us have seen Transformers: The Movie. I sure haven't.

I'll keep a look out for that one, thanks for the tip. :-)

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
I don't think you can find it in a video store though.

Cuz Transformer The Movie were draw and released in Japan, I'm not sure if it is officially released in North America.

Try your luck in some Anime store or Anime fan club.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Someone's being clever...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Blue Electron, Dude, he's yanking your chain.
Ultra Magnus (the Transformer, not the poster)'s first appearance was IN Transformers: The Movie, you silly person. Of COURSE he knows about it.

TF:TM has been available on VHS in the US for YEARS.

The DVD just came out a little while ago, tho. I bought it.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Yup. It was American financed too. And although it was drawn in Japan, it was drawn to match the US voices. The Japanese voices were "dubbed" on after. They also got a slightly different edit of the movie.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
I so love playing "Tranformers: The Movie" at work; we do it so much. Nothing like hearing Galvatron order up someone's ass on a platter & mindlessly answering, "OK, Spock...jeez...not MY fuckin' fault you gotta wait 7 years for coochie." Of course, the added benefit of seeing & hearing Elliot-Ness-a-Tron makes it that much better.

Useless fact: Unicron was not only based on Orson Welles, he was drawn actual size.

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Posted by SIR SIG on :
 
Cybertrons & Destrons?

We really are pulling some old names out of the hat!

This was the last place I'd expect to see TFs.

Just call me 'LandRover', thats my codename

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Cybertrons and Destrons aren't really old names, since Destrons were last called such in Beast Wars Metals, released in Japan in 1999/2000, and Cybertrons were called such in Car Robots, which was the last Transformers series to be shown in Japan. So they are old names, in the sense of, well, being old, but they're still used. (Okay, Destron has become Destronger, which sounds daft, but still...)

Annoyingly, the ONE Car Robot figure I haven't got that I was going to get (The JRX train combiner), hasn't been listed for a "Robots in Disguise" release. So I'll have to buy the Car Robots version. Gnash. My life is obviously pure hell.

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-Bubbles
 


Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Maybe I'm remembering this wrong.

But isn't there a series after the "car bots" where it shows Optimus Prime is just the "commander" of the earth sector, and there's a bigger guy that Optimus has to report to? He was later destroyed and re-incarnated into some other bot.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Are we talking about the US or Japanese continuities?

If we're talking US, then Optimus was the leader of the Autobots. Until he died. Then it was Ultra Magnus (for about 5 minutes), and then Rodimus Prime. Then Optimus again, because people moaned.

(In the comics, there were people above Optimus, but he was the head of the Autobot "army", as it were, and no-one would argue with him).

In Japan, I'm a little more shaky. HOWEVER, I think it follows the US one, up until Optimus comes back after dieing. He then dies again, and Rodimus becomes leader. Again. He then buggers off, and Fortress Maximus becomes leader. Then we have Star Sabre, god Ginrai, and various other people, all of whom look rather a lot like Optimus Prime (or Convoy to be picky). I know that God Ginrai was someone else who happened to look like Powermaster Optimus Prime, but I think that Star Sabre was the same person.

Anyway, it doesn't matter, as Car Robots takes place in a completely different continuity. Probably. I think that the original Convoy might have been mentioned, but I'm pretty sure he hasn't been seen.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Hmm. Ok, olive branch, say I give this universe a chance (just to see if I can rid me of some prejudice), what would be a good Volume to sample?
You know, not the first, oldest episode, but also not the latest, which is prolly filled with plots and intrigues I am unaccustomed with?
Something in the middle. Like, a "Q Who" or "The Jem'Hadar" for TF?

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His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Oh cripes.

You're thinking slightly too much in Anime terms there. Transformers isn't anime. It's, well, a hodgpodge of about 9 million different continuities, some of which borrow from others.

The "purest" Transformers are probably the three US 1980s seasons, but they are, essentially, kids cartoons. And not often shown.

The "best" storyline, in my opinion, is the US Beast Wars storyline. It had depth, ongoing arcs, and some surprisingly good characterisation. As well as a healthy smattering of sex and violence.

Apparently, the best Japanese series are Victory, and, er, the one after it. Zone, I think. But I've no idea of the characters in that.

The Japanese Beast Wars series are suppossed to be fairly childish and awful (and their dub of the US Beast Wars series is also suppossed to be bad. HA! See how they like it when they get a bad dub).

Car Robots is completely seperate, as far as I can tell. I couldn't tell you how good it is. I'm sure it's aimed at a fairly young audience. The toys are great though. Blow most of the Beast Machines toys out of the water (and I like Beast toys).

Of course, the best storyline would be the UK comics, written by Simon Furman. But you're not likely to find many of them in the US anytime soon.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
And also remember, that these have been written over 15 years, some only available in the US, some only avaialable in the UK, and some only in Japan. So it's pretty much a anightmare from beginning to end.

However, a good basic groundwork from the US series would probably start with "More than Meets the Eye" (the opening 3 part pilot episode), and the movie. Which is now available on DVD. And First owns it. Ask him if it's any good, because I don't want to change tenses in mid-paragraph.

The whole of seasons two and three of Beast Wars would be cool too. But try and get the originals, not the cut versions currently showing on FOX Kids.

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-Bubbles
 


Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Somebody posted a link to a place which had descriptions and prices (and ordering?) for the Transformers that weren't nominally available in stores here (God Red Alert, or something, etc.)

Can whoever that was post it again?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
"But you're not likely to find many of them in the US anytime soon..."

PsyTurnip, did you suddenly forget I'm from Sweden or did you aim that at the others?

So, if I got you right, the three-part pilot of Beast-Wars, as well as seasons two and three would be good?

You know, as I've only seen the kids-series of TF I thought you guys were slightly out of your minds... Good to see that isn't the case.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Oh Oh Oh!!!!

I used to own Optimus Prime (big one with trailer armour), and the one of the bad guy assemble with a M-1 tank, and what I think is a "black bird" airplane. That one also can turn into a mobile base.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
Powermaster Optimus Prime, G2 Megatron & G2 Starscream (Which was pants), it sounds like.

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Posted by SIR SIG on :
 
Well if its headin that way, then I still have Powermaster Optimus Prime. And for that matter all of my 100+ TFs.

But I'm sure many of you can beat that right?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Well I've got a pen with a naked lady in it! And I FLICK IT! FLICK IT LONG, AND FLICK IT HARD!!

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram



 


Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
And since you're Swedish, I suppose those are Foreign Flicks?

"But I'm sure many of you can beat that right?"

There's something here. About Simon possibly, but this one is best used for all of us to cultivate and grow our imagniations.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I should've expected that.
Funny though, "flicka" is girl in swedish, but you prolly knew that too, didn't you, Gaylord? (see if you can spot that one)

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His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
Uh, I can't, you know, without taking it as a grave insult, upon which your family will pay with their blood.

Well, I don't get it.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Ok, "His middle name's Gaylord. -I know you are!! HAHAHAAH!!!"
 
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
No no no no! The three part pilot of Transformers (called "More than meets the Eye", or occassionally "Arrival from Cybertron"). And the movie. And seasons 2 and 3 of Beast Wars (they're only 13 eps each. And they've just come out on video over here).

Big Bad Toy Story have a fair few, but they mainly concentrate on new "Beast" toys, and Japanese stuff, rather than old G1 stuff.

They do have God Magnus, and Super Mach Alert (you mean one of them, right First?). If you want reviews, then, er, Goktimus has some nice ones with pictures, although Dave's Transformers Page (despite having a naff title) has far better reviews, but text only.

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-Bubbles

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
Detailed reviews of the toys. With pictures.
http://members.nbci.com/_XMCM/kool_toyz/tf2000.html


That being said, I don't know whether to praise Rhino Video or curse them. Yes, they are releasing TF on home video. Yes, they did release TF:TM on DVD. But. They are releasing the episodes with no rhyme or reason, in no order, usually with episodes from different seasons on the same tape. And they are only putting one hour of material on said tapes, so we haven't gotten any of the 3+-parters yet. Not to mention their DVD transfer of TF:TM is borderline awful. All you dang Canucks got a better version than we did.

I'm still huntin' for the rest of FHE's first season videos. And I have a good friend who has most of the episodes taped off of TV (I want to put together a compilation of the commercial bumpers -- those were neet!) back when they first aired. About the only episode she missed taping -- and is still pissed about -- was the original two-part version of "The Search for Alpha Trion". Granted, she does have the later, single-part version, but those extra twenty minutes would be nice to see again...

--Jonah

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
These figures posted on the web site are relativly new right??

cuz, I can't find some of the one I used to own in the site.

The only one I can find is the "black convoy", and "red convoy" which I used to own

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Can someone help me identify one of the transformer that I used to own:

It is one of the large transformer toy.

consisted of a M-1 tank and a black bird air plane. The plane made up the body, and the tank made up the legs.

It can be tranformed into a mobile base, it also came with two little guys which you can "fold" and stuck them into the main body when in "robot" mode.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
F*CKF*CKF*CK

I know this one - he was (mainly) blue on his front and black on his back. Had a purple gun that fired spring-loaded black missile, and had like 6 mortar tubes and a twin-barrelled cannon in his chest.

Overlord? Something suchlike?
The two little fellows were like Powermasters, I think.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Not to be a heretic, but, where any fully functional battleoid-toys completed for Robotech or Macross (I&II)? That could go btw plane, mecha and "Guardian"?
I seem to recall some nice toys in a trailer ad in the original rental-tapes in the 80's... I'd buy one straight off.

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His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram



 


Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Overlord sounds about right. I've never had him, but I saw a pic of the Japanese version once.

You couldn't have had "Black Convoy", since that toy only came out about, ooh, 6 months ago. It IS a repaint (a pretty funky repaint) of Laser Rod Optimus Prime, who came out in 1995 (I think). If by Red Convoy, you mean the original, then, well, that's Optimus Prime. He's been around since 1986. EVERYONE had him. He had knees!

Nimrod: There are LOADS of transforming Macross figures. Hell, one WAS released as a Hasbro-owned Transformer (an old Valkyrie toy), and called Jetfire (or Skyfire in the cartoon). Check BigBadToys (the links up above), they have a couple of the newer Macross figures, including the YF-21. There's one in particular, the YF-19, that looks gorgeous. The YF-11B looks pretty tasty too. Although Bandia seem to be following the Hasbro/Takara root more now, and are releasing different coloured versions of the same toy. So you can pre-order the VF-19 Fire Valkyrie for only $79.99. Do you have Chinatowns in Sweden Nimrod? They often have Anime stores, and they sometimes carry toys too.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
How does Gundam fit in to all this?

I have a picture of a Gundam-poster with a guy standing in front of a red, white and blue mecha, inserted in front of some space station.
The positioning looks exactly like that of the big mecha (battleoid) posing in the opening credits of RoboTech. Are they connected?

Correct me if I'm wrong:

THE MACROSS SAGA:

1999 - RoboTech: Alien BattleFortress (SDF-1) crashes in Macross Island.

2022 - RoboTech II: The Sentinels (Haven't seen it)

2040 - Macross Plus MiniSeries: On the colonized planet "Eden" the ministry of defense is working on transformer-weapons to fight off invading aliens. (Haven't seen this)

~2120 - Macross II MiniSeries: Eighty years after events in Macross Plus, Man and Zentradi has formed peace alliance. (Not seen this)

After this there seems to be "Southern Cross" and "New Generation".

Is Gundam in here somewhere?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
And who here is Chris Martin? I don't know the names of everyone here, and he wanted to put me in his ICQ-list, but the message only said "It's Me!". No reference to Flare at all...

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
 
Nimrod: 'Tis Fabrux.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Ok. That's good to know.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
Okay... In 1982 in Japan, a show hit the air called "Superdimension Spacefortress Macross". It was first in a (mostly unrelated) series of three "Superdimension" shows put out by the same studio. After "Macross" was "Suerdimension Century Orguss" (unrelated save the name and a brief cameo by Sammie -- one of the bridge bunnies aboard the Macross), and "Superdimension Cavalry Southern Cross" (completely unrelated).

Later, in the mid-'80s, came "Macross: Do You Remember Love", presented as a movie made in the Macross universe looking back at the Zentraedi War. After that, in the early '90s I believe, came "Macross II", set about two generations after the original. Then, on the heels of that, "Macross Plus" and "Macross 7".

In the US, however, a gentleman named Carl Macek wanted to bring the first "Macross" to US TV, as "Space Battleship Yamato" had been American-ized as "Star Blazers". However, there weren't enough enpisodes in the series' run to meet the syndication requirements of the time, so he also bought the rights to two other unrelated series -- "Southern Cross" and "Genesis Climber M.O.S.P.E.A.D.A." -- and piled them all together into a single continuity he created, which hit American airwaves as "Robotech" in 1985.

The two continuities are utterly divergent. Many would be happy to endlessly debate which version is better, but I'm a wierdo. I like them both.

And there's no Gundam in there anywhere.

--Jonah

P.S. Nimrod: Toys were made for the VF-1A (single laser on head), VF-1J (two lasers on head), VF-1S (four lasers on head), VF-1D (two-seat trainer, two lasers on head -- AKA VT-1), and VE-1 (ELINT variation). I'm not too sure about the 'A', but the 'J' and 'S' were available in regular, "Super", and "Armored" versions. There are also a few transforming model kits presently available, in addition to the old toys. Just do a web search for "Macross toys" to see what's available on that front, and visit Hobby Link Japan (http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljlist.cgi?Series=Macross=SciOth=2) to see what's currently available from Japan.

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Macross Plus is the only japananimation with decent dub. So I recommend it to all people.

and Gaseous Anonmoly, you're right on target, that's the one I own. What was it called again? Overlord?

And yes, I own the "red convoy" not the black one, but they look pretty similar, so it's either one of the two.

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Ah HA!

I also own the Macross giant carrier-robot dude, pretty damn big too.

I think I also own 2 or 3 mecha of "thunderbolt"(the plane that was used before the newer series such as Macross Plus), too bad though, I broke them all when I was a kid.

Damn!

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Aargh! Me jealous! And I found some goods on a mangatoy-page. The VF-1S would be my choice, it looked like the one from the skull-squadron, with the black and yellow tail. So cool... Did the big Macross fortress transform as well, like in the show(s)?

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
Some did. Some didn't. Differing manufacturers and sizes.

And if you have some uber modelling skillz, try out this kit...
http://www.hlj.com/cgi-local/hljpage.cgi?YLS006

--Jonah

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Dude, that's an easy build. The bitch is in the seaming.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Wow, nice page. I found the silverplated SDF.

Could someone hint me in on a "spoiler"? I've seen a lot of Macross-eps when I was 6, but here in modern age I've only gotten to the fifth episode.
Can someone tell me, does the SDF-1 ever go back to the "lean ship"-config (after transforming in "transformation"), or does it stay in battleoid shape throughout time?

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We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Can the big carrier robot dude transform? More or last, but not "transformable" as the one shown on tv.

and yes, I do think I used to own the VF-1 with the skull in the back, but yellow tail??

the VF-1s I owned are not as good in quality as the one shown in the page (I think that one is actually a model)

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Well there are different ones. But I meant the black and yellow texture used by Fokker and his skull squadron in "Macross/RoboTech". It's a good imitation of the real F-14 squadron VF-84 "Jolly Rogers". My favourite, in fact.

Look.

Real World. http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/84-spot.jpg

Macross. http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/hsg3.gif

Nifty, huh?

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We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Sweet!

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
It doesn't just "look like" the Jolly Rogers... According to Macross or Robotech backstory (can't remember which), Lt.Cmdr. Fokker was the squadron commander of the Jolly Rogers aboard the aircraft carrier Kenosha during the global civil war that the SDF-1's arrival interrupted. When the exisiting militaries were integrated into the Robotech Defense Force/UN Spacey, the old "nationalistic" squadron name was done away with but Roy was allowed to keep the livery of the now-renamed "Skull Squadron"...

--Jonah

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Very interesting. Is that backstory in the comics, or are there macross-episodes that deal with that?

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We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
BlueElectron: But of course...

Glad to be off assistance. AAAAA, what what?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
"Anonymous Anonymous Anonymous Anonymous Alcoholics"?
 
Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
Autonomous Automatically Alcoholic Anonymous Anomaly, natch.

Try saying that 10 times fast.

Seriously. Any And All Assistance Appreciated.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
 
At the risk of being a wet blanket, could we start steering this back toward TFs?

And Nimrod: I don't remember where Roy's backstory came from. Most likely one comic series or other...

--Jonah

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