Anyways, if you're serious about "Star Trek" at all, then you have my personal guarantee that you will LOVE "Babylon 5."
Starting Monday, March 11 @ 7:00 PM on the Sci-Fi Channel.
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Then I would follow it with a wink. Like this --> 
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I will shout until they know what I mean.
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"I rather strongly disagree, even if I share the love of Dick. Speaking of which, that would be the most embarrasing .sig quote ever, so never use it."
- Simon Sizer, 23/01/2001
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I will shout until they know what I mean.
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Read three (three!) chapters of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! Then, go insane!
For soon, if the reruns of this and other high quality TV such as when Hot Dog Vendors Attack Part IX, continue to catch your fancy, you rund a grave risk my friend. A risk that is that of you being dumbed down to the level of us current peons, and thusly making us less intimidated in your presence.
(If one disriegards the Gigantic Penis, of course.)
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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."
-Darkstar
[This message has been edited by Ultra Magnus (edited March 06, 2001).]
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"Lately I've noticed that everyone seems to trust me. It's really quite unnerving. I'm still trying to get used to it."
- Garak, "Empok Nor"
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?
but....
STAR TREK IS COOLER
not to mention SF can probably take on the entire B5 universe single handly
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What is the difference between a terriorist and your girlfriend?
- With terrorist, there is a chance of negotiation.
*Trumpets Flare*
A William Kieths Soundalike: "The King, of the castle that is on a hill which the King owns. The Castle, not the hill. Although he does own the hill as well, mind you. This King, in all his glory has called for the ultimate soldiers to defend his kingdom in this, the battle of all battles, which is to say it is the penultimate. Penultimate as in more than ultimate.
He requests the attention of the only honorable people who are able to stem the tide of the insidious agents of logic, clarity and the misunderstood - yet apparently evil - proper grammatical function!
These people are known as:
The FANBOYS!
*trumpets flare*
Here come they, the illiterate, over-emotional and societal rejects, that will argue until free of breath, food, light and cleanliness until the age-old question, that is on the minds of every single human being ever in the history of the world ever, even Jesus, although the show about the Expedition through the Stars and the other show about a pseudo-Exepedition through the stars and basement CGI weren't around during the reign of the Lord and King. He still wondered about it.
So, young fanboys, pass on your wisdom and trite discontentment at the doings of the powers that be, to all future generations, so they may live in peace, harmony, and continue the pointless, useless and official badge of loserdom, the battle of the syndicated sixty minute long extra-terra drama shows.
Begone.
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"I WANT A POST VOY SERIES STAR TREK ORIGINAL MESSAGE WAS LOOKING FORWARD NOT LOOKING BACK."
-Darkstar
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And Star Trek has never been cool.
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"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"
-Bubbles
Sure there were some problems -- Londo's accent, for one. Alfred Bester... now there's one of my favorite topics. Alfred Bester is THE most EVIL character in science fiction. He beats out even the old classics like Darth Vader... precisely because he doesn't SEEM so evil... until you sit in a room with him for a few minutes. He's so casually smug, so superior (Homo superior, that is). He thinks nothing of using the "mundanes" like toys, and tossing them aside when he's done. "Babylon 5" is everything I wish "Star Trek" was, and so much more. I won't go into all of it here, I'd bore you. ------------------ ------------------ "Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
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And what's wrong with Londo's accent? So you guys're gonna have to accept that there exist people in the Universe who don't have American accents - let's call them, for simplicity's sake, "people you haven't bombed yet." ------------------ ------------------ And, seriously, am I the only one who doesn't notice anything wrong with the dialogue? I guess I just don't pick things to bits like some people... I actually watch something and enjoy it, not desparately try to find something wrong with it. The only time I notice anything is when the acting is particularly bad (monotone voice, etc), or if it's really crappy VFX (like a guy getting a stick in his armpit when he's supposed to be getting stabbed). ------------------ Also some of the aliens were actially very different than humanoids. The Shadows are absolutely awesome! And again, the company was hired to make Species 8472 on Voyager. ------------------ - Batman Beyond (aka: Batman of the Future) ------------------ "Let me make this clear: I am the law! I am your ruler! And you will have fries with that, motherf*cker!"
------------------ Shabren's Final Prophecy: Star Trek: Legacy The former which looked like the Vorlon ships, and the latter like B5. Woah, imaginative. ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ --jacob p.s. sorry for the rambling
------------------ Anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I think JMS produced a very brave and interesting but at the same time deeply flawed show. Look, I like it as much as anyone, you know. I just finished watching the final three episodes all at once, for Valen's sake. Still, there we are. ------------------ ------------------ - Batman Beyond (aka: Batman of the Future) --jacob ------------------ ------------------ --jacob ------------------ I'm surprised to find so many pro-B5 members here! Usually you don't get a lot of people like that at a Trek-oriented board. Re: my earlier comment about Londo's accent-- I actually really liked Londo's accent, after the first few episodes. It took a little getting used to, but it was an interesting change. "Why don't you eliminate the entire Narn homeworld while you're at it?" ------------------
B5 has a series of legendary events and sayings that people will always remember, it may been only five seasons, but it was the best five seasons ever. And the movies were the perfect addition. ------------------
On a similar note - anyone read "Casting Shadows"? The first book in the B5 technomage trilogy? ------------------ ------------------ Shabren's Final Prophecy: Star Trek: Legacy They're damn good reading IMHO and yes, they are CANON (I think). Or so says JMS. ------------------ ------------------
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And what Garibaldi did at the end was rather a nice touch. *grins* I expect a few dozen people would do that to me when I shuffle off. ------------------ ------------------
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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
Minutae: Enclose the i's with square brackets, not angled ones. The angled ones work for underlining and being bold.
And if Bester's Homo superior, would that make him a mutant?
At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
And isn't the dialogue just superer atrocious? Darkstar could write better dialogue.
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-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Nice one Minuteychops. 8)
Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Of course, having just watched "The Fall of..." er...is is Centauri Prime or the Centauri Republic? Either way, that distinction no longer applies.
I will shout until they know what I mean.
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Read three (three!) chapters of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! Then, go insane!
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
SPACE being Canada's answer to the Sci-Fi Channel.
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- Garak, "Empok Nor"
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Babylon 5 had a story in it. That's what makes it great, in my opinion. Also it has some of the coolest ships I've ever seen. They were even hired to make a few of the best ships on Voyager (Species 8472 ships and the Krenim timeship).
Gaseous Anomaly: The italic tag is a standard HTML tag. The fact that it doesn't work is that Charles disabled HTML for the first 50 posts of every newbie here.
Terry: "Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, ...."
Max: "And?"
Terry: "I forgot."
Max: "Come on, Clinton was the fun one, then came the boring one."
Terry: "They're all boring."
Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
[kikispeak]Ooooooh!![/kikispeak]
Forgot avout that.
Done to avoid spamming?
At that point, McDonald fired his gun three times in the air to emphasize his point. The crowd, estimated at 350,000, loudly cheered the new candidate.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Yes. Remember that "IwantUtoMe" guy, and his MP3 redirect?
Lisa: "Don't you remember the story of Oedipus?"
Homer: "Maybe five dollars will refresh my memory."
Lisa (angrily): "Oedipus was the story of a man who kills his father and marries his mother!"
Homer: "Uggh! Who pays for that wedding?"
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
quote:
They were even hired to make a few of the best ships on Voyager (Species 8472 ships and the Krenim timeship).
Ross: This is not good for my rage. *takes another pill*
Posted by dih1138 on :
Babylon5 is entertaining which is all it needs to be...
Aside from strong resemblance to LOTR and Bruce Boxleitner (bummer) it is fun.
-dih1138
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You've got something against the Scarecrow? But he wrote a book!
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Posted by EdipisReks on :
as much as i love trek, i think that the best of B5 beats out all but the VERY best of TNG and TOS in terms of quality. don't even TRY to tell me that the dialogue is any worse in B5 than in DS9 or that mess that bragga made, i mean Voyager. trek has had some cheese, which most trek fans simply overlook. i also think that the worst episodes of trek are worse than the worst episodes of B5. also, the continuity of B5 was better, probably because larry niven was an advisor. B5 actually shows a credible view of the galaxy, with lots of non exacytly looking like human aliens, and many varied political interests. (yes, the centauri outwardly looked like humans, but their unique physiology was shown in several episodes, and it was mentioned that humans thought they were related to centauri's until they saw the *ahem* unique attributes of the centauri). also, i think that many of the ship ideas, especially concerning biological tech, was used in B5 better than in trek. B5 also has a more epic feel, in my opinion, than even the dominion war. B5 wasn't great all the time, but its good sides transcends the bad sides. by the way, centauri prime was the home planet of the centauri, and the republic was their empire. if there was an earth empire, this planet might be called earth prime. however, despite immensely enjoying B5, i still like trek better because of its unique trek ideology, and the fact that TOS and TNG were like horatio hornblower, but in space, which is very cool. well, the tech stuff doesn't hurt either
Posted by EdipisReks on :
hey, dukhat, strange you would use that quote in your sig
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
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EdipisReks
the continuity of B5 was better, probably because larry niven was an advisor
Well I'd say that's actually because J. Michael Straczynski wrote almost every episode himself.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Larry Niven? I think you mean Harlan Ellison, and he didn't seem to have much to do with the series at all. (Though I suspect his support went a long way towards getting it off the ground.)
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
BTW: Does anyone know when the widescreen episodes will be available on tape?
Terry: "Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, ...."
Max: "And?"
Terry: "I forgot."
Max: "Come on, Clinton was the fun one, then came the boring one."
Terry: "They're all boring."
Posted by EdipisReks on :
you're right, it was harlan ellison, not larry niven. i had read that he had a considerable amount of influence. oh well.
what are we supposed to use, man, harsh language!?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
As nice as the so-called "widescreen" version is...it isn't. All they did was blackbar the top & bottom, theus losing a couple key details. Example: at the end of "Severed Dreams," the closing shot of the closeup on the Nightwatch "TRAITORS CAN'T HIDE" poster has been completely fragged.
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Posted by EdipisReks on :
they didn't just black bar. the original film version had a slightly different aspect than tv. it isn't really WIDESCREEN per se, but it wasn't just blackbarred. the scifi channel website had an article about it.
what are we supposed to use, man, harsh language!?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Actually, the screw-up with the widescreen edition was the fault of Warner Bros., I believe. The show really WAS filmed in the widescreen format.
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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :
B5 had much more of a depth to it than any Trek series. I am a Trek fan first and foremost, but I always admit that it is far too utopian, and does not seem probable that the corrupt world we see today will blossom into a civilzation in which we aren't greedy and powerhungry @$$holes. Also Londo had to sacrifice everything for the Centauri Republic and there are some things that will stay alive forever: "What are you gonna do Mollari, blow up the island?", the legendary confrontation between Londo Mollari, and Mr Morden the Shadows advocate. The result of that action: "They wan't YOU Londo." when the Regent tells him about the Drakh, and the Keeper is implanted onto him.
And the classic of a Dictator trying to take the Earth down with him: "He killed himself, and he left a note on his desk with the words "Scorched Earth" written on it."
Then ofcourse Sheridan decided to sacrifice himself and his first ship the "Agamemnon" to save Earth, but his old academy teacher and great nemesis in the war came in thorough and jump gate and saved him.
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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :
Except for "A Call to Arms". Evan Chen's (I think that was him) score really grated on my nerves. And don't even get me started on "Crusade".
"Okashii na... namida ga nagareteru. Hitotsu mo kanashikunai no ni."
(That's funny... my tears are falling. And I'm not sad at all.) - Quatre Raberba Winner
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I didn't even know there WAS a technomage trilogy. Is this something new?
Lisa: "Don't you remember the story of Oedipus?"
Homer: "Maybe five dollars will refresh my memory."
Lisa (angrily): "Oedipus was the story of a man who kills his father and marries his mother!"
Homer: "Uggh! Who pays for that wedding?"
Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :
There's 3 series of books that's been done since the show went off. First is the Telepath trilogy, second is the Centauri trilogy and lastly is the Technomage trilogy series.
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Posted by MC Infinity (Member # 531) on :
I haven't seen any B5 books, but I would love to read them. I didn't like Crusade, that show quite frankly stunk 
It ruined the good rep of B5.
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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :
Peter David wrote the Centauri trilogy. He really nails the characters down exquisitly.
In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I'd suggest the Telepath Trilogy. Great background info, and some great Bester stories too...
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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :
Got them, read them, LOVED them...
In this crazy world of lemons, baby...you're lemonade!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Heh, yeah -- I loved the ending of that last book. Mr. G beats the crap out of his archnemesis and then has him carted off. How nice... Of course the ironic part was that Bester ended up outliving Sheridan and the station itself...
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