This project started out from a fairly simple question -- I was curious about how some of the Federation starships compared against the bulk of Babylon 5. I had the basic "five miles long" figure, but that was a little vague, and so I found a decent side-view image of the station, and sized ships like the Enterprise-D to the same scale.
But being a fairly well-trained Treknologist, I wasn't able to stop there. I ended up compiling a decent collection of Star Trek, B5, and Star Wars ships.
That was about two years ago. Now, I'm trying to update the collection with some of the other sci-fi shows, and with updated (and better-quality) images.
I've got some of the most common and well-known shows, but I'd like some suggestions for researching other series and movies. So far I've got:
Star Trek
Star Wars
Babylon 5
Battlestar Galactica
2001: A Space Odyssey
I've also thought of a couple of other series, but I'm either totally unfamiliar with the series and don't know what/where to look, or else haven't been able to find it. Top on my list is some kind of decent image of Farscape's Leviathan and Peacekeeper Command Carrier. I've also seen some shots of Space: Above and Beyond that suggested some impressive effects. It's dawning on me that Trek sites have some of the most detailed technology-oriented material on the web. Any drooling fanboy can grab side views of the Enterprise-D or even obscure ships like the Norway from somewhere, but I had to look for an entire hour before I found a decent side view of the Rebel Medical Frigate. And I still haven't found anything close to a straight-side view of Moya. (Yes, I've tried the Google image search.)
And so I'm looking for help from the best group of sci-fi enthusiasts with a penchant for things technological and pertaining to starships that I know. Credit will be given on the page that links to the image once it goes online.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Other big ships you could look for/use:
"V" city-ships "Independence Day" City ships and Mothership "Close Encounters" mothership
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
Red Dwarf.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Don't forget the Sulaco from "Aliens" & the Valley Forge from "Silent Running." Also, for the Rebel medical frigate, try searching using the term "Nebulon B."
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
I never knew that the SeaQuest looked like a chicken being propelled through the air at Mach 2.
As far as other science-fiction goes, how about the Jupiter spacecrafts from the Lost in Space series and movie? As I recall, the Jupiter I and II from the movie looked pretty interesting, although on the small side of things.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Andromeda... versus the NX-01. Oh wait, this is a comparison and not a deathmatch.
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Just for fun, you could also throw in some capital ships from the Wing Commander and/or Freespace computer games.
Posted by Nimpim (Member # 205) on :
And the Macross-1.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Blake 7's Liberator
Ships from the Homeworld game, perhaps?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
*rubs hands together*
STARGATE-SG1
Goa'uld: mother ships (generic) Goa'uld: cargo ship Goa'uld: Death glider Goa'uld: Apophis' huge mother ship Goa'uld: "Threading the Needle" death glider Goa'uld: Space Station
Tau'ri/Goa'uld Jet/Death Glider combo X-301
Nox city ship
Asgaard: Thor's ship, the Belisknar SP? Asgaard: The O'Neil
The Ashen: Harvester
The Gadmeer Terraforming ship from "Scorched Earth"
Martin's ship from "Point of No Return" Martin's people's ship from "Wormhole X-Treme"
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
This is a preliminary GIF of my collection so far... all of the ships are properly sized, but they're TOTALLY disorganized. I'm working in Fireworks, and so it's simple to move each ship image and label individually, so I just have to move them around a bit. It's looking like I'll have to expand the size of the canvas, though...
One thing, though -- would it be possible to give some links (if you have them handy) along with some of these suggestions? I'm not asking anyone to do all the research, but a little pointer as to where I can start looking would be helpful. (Google and Sherlock aren't bad, but they're general, and it's hard to narrow things down too much.)
Thanks!
(Oh, and Michael: Both the Andromeda and the NX-01 are on there. The NX-01 is just a speck on the page, though...)
Posted by Nimpim (Member # 205) on :
You have put in the "Interstellar Alliance Victory class" twice. The Borg cube info text is also put in twice. Where the hell did you get a picture of the Clone Wars Pre-Star-Destroyer? I wanna know, not even the official site has them...
High points from me for remembering S:AaB-ships.
The "Earth Alliance Explorer Class" looks like a Bab-5 ship, but what is it?
The "Third Space Aliens Heavy Cruiser", what series does it come from, and what does the rest of it look like? :-)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Cool, but, c'mon, put on Red Dwarf! It'll be one of the biggest ships on there.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
The Thirdspace aliens were from the B5 TV movie "Thirdspace".
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You've missed off the text for Spacedock. And is that the STIII size spacedock, or the TNG size starbase?
I'd be wary of going crazy and adding loads of obscre ships from Homeworld and Freespace. It's aready pretty cluttered.
This is the first one of these I've seen that's used actual photos of the ships, rather than prfile schematic shots. Cool.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The Explorer class is I believe the ship from a season 2 episode of B5. It's a long range self-sufficient ship, designed to live on the frontier and chart new jump points. Or something.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nimpim: You have put in the "Interstellar Alliance Victory class" twice. The Borg cube info text is also put in twice.
Yeah, I know. The Excalibur is in twice because I haven't decided which image to use yet. And the second Borg text is my sample label... all the others were grouped with their images. Having a template saves time.
quote:Where the hell did you get a picture of the Clone Wars Pre-Star-Destroyer? I wanna know, not even the official site has them...
Actually, that's a kitbashed side-view of the Victory-class Star Destroyer! I just took the sloped superstructure and reversed it, and then lengthened the engines. It didn't look great in the full-size, but it's a pretty close match for the small scale. (I used the reference from the top view of the model from StarWars.com.)
quote:The "Earth Alliance Explorer Class" looks like a Bab-5 ship, but what is it?
Yes, that's a Babylon 5 ship. We saw it only twice -- they're supposed to be long-range exploration/pathfinder ships. One of their main jobs is to go into uncharted space and build jumpgates so that smaller ships can follow. We saw the ship in the B5 second season episode "A Distant Star" and the Crusade episode "War Zone" (it was Gideon's former ship in that ep).
quote:The "Third Space Aliens Heavy Cruiser", what series does it come from, and what does the rest of it look like?
Yeah, that's another B5 ship. Actually, the top half looks just about the same as the bottom half. It was a really weird ship -- because the rear half of the sphere-like container was not connected in any way to the front part of the ship.
Liam: Thanks, I know that there's no label for the Spacedock yet. I got that size from EAS, I think, and yes, it's the Star Trek III size.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
There are two Galaxies.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
I agree with Liam; where's the Dwarf?!
How about the Rodger Young from Starship Troopers?
Also I never knew the Discovery and Alexei Leonov had cloaking devices... Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Y'know, I can't seem to find a schematic drawing of the Red Dwarf anywhere on the 'net. I wanted to figure out how big it would be on that chart (the skinny version would probably be about the size of B5, but the original model would be a lot taller), but my searches revealed nothing. Anyone know where such an image might be located, out of curiosity?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wraith: Also I never knew the Discovery and Alexei Leonov had cloaking devices...
Actually, the Discovery is there! It's just so damn tiny...
I added the label for the Leonov because I had a reference about how long it was, but couldn't find a proper side view at that moment.
Harry, thanks for pointing out the duplicate Galaxies!
Liam, Wraith, and TSN: I'll definitely add Red Dwarf if I can find an image. I've never seen it, but I know a bit about the series. (Well, not much at all, but I've heard the name enough to know that it's a fairly well-known series.)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I've never found a decent side view of Red Dwarf. For that matter, I'm not sure where I heard that its 5 miles long from, or which of the two models they were referring to (although I tend to think it's the first one).
There were a few stock shots of Red Dwarf used on the show that were in almost perfect profile. If only they'd hurry up and get the series out on DVD, you could use on of them. Although it would probably be of the new one, and not the old one.
Why on earth does the new model look smaller than the old one anyway? It's rubbish.
Stick Starbug on there. Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
My Sci-Fi Encyclopedia from Br!tain notes Red Dwarf as being 5 miles long, 3 miles wide, & a combination of "Dark Star meets the Nostromo."
Incidentally, how about Dark Star? Or Nostromo? Or United Planets Cruiser C-57D? Oh, & don't forget the Lectroid ships (both Black & Red) from "Buckaroo Banzai," to say nothing of either the Vogon Constructor Fleet OR the Heart of Gold.
Posted by Magnus de Pym (Member # 239) on :
Unicron!
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
Mega-Maid!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, I'd forgotten how long RD was, so I went and found a site w/ the scripts on it. Cat says that it's five miles long in the fourth-year episode "DNA".
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, if you're looking to enlarge the canvas you could always make it two concetric circles, one for each Death Star... Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
LOL, Omega, that's a cool idea! The only question is, just how big the Death Stars really were... which is a whole different argument. Some sites claim that they were 120 km diameter, and others say it was 900+ km.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Liam,
It's the Star Trek III starbase. There's a Constitution silhouette in one of the docking entrys.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Put everything to shame... add the Dyson's sphere! V'ger would be the only thing that'd come close I guess!
Can you put a tag as to which series/movie it is from?
What about the Taelon mothership from Earth: Final Conflict?
The Negh'var/Voodieh/Regent's ship
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Put everything to shame... add the Dyson's sphere! V'ger would be the only thing that'd come close I guess!
Heh... yeah, the Dyson Sphere certainly would be the biggest... although that Magog worldship from "Andromeda" might be larger yet.
quote:Can you put a tag as to which series/movie it is from?
Actually, I was thinking about doing that myself. It started out easy enough when the only series were Trek, Wars, and B5, but with so many others, it's definitely a good idea now.
quote:What about the Taelon mothership from Earth: Final Conflict?
The Negh'var/Voodieh/Regent's ship
Those will definitely go in, provided I can find the proper images. For a lot of the ships that I've been looking for, I can get decent screenshots and general images, but orthographic views are pretty rare. Obviously I'll get the Negh'var from Bernd's site, though...
Ships I've managed to add: The Roger Young from "Starship Troopers" and the NSEA Protector from "Galaxy Quest"!
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
I know it's not a TV series but how about the Honor Harrington ships? Size chart Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
looks like a dildo collection
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Now that you mention it.... Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
The only question is, just how big the Death Stars really were... which is a whole different argument. Some sites claim that they were 120 km diameter, and others say it was 900+ km.
Well, they WERE different sizes...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The SW vehicle guide lists them as, I think, 120km in diameter and 16km in diameter for the original and Jedi versions respectively. But then I've seen the SW arguments for the SSD, so I know that a lot of fans ignore that.
Regarding Red Dwarf, we would have to assume that both models are 5 miles long, if we stick to Cat's line. After all, DNA has been shown with both the original model and the newer thinner one, so his statement would have to be true for both ships.
I would be hesitant to put ships any bigger than the SSD on though. A lot of the ships are already tiny. If you had to change the scale, it would render the small ships so small as to be faily pointless.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Unless, of course, you left the scale the same and simply gave yourself more area to work with...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Of course, then you have unmanageably large images like the dildo collection.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I'm not seriously considering the uber-large ships like the Death Stars. The SSD is probably as large as I'll get, and I don't intend to change the scale at all.
As for the actual image size, I don't want the file to get too out of hand, because scrolling around to view different parts of an image can get annoying. If I collect many more images, I might end up splitting the chart into two parts (maybe even separate scales) in order to make it easier to view.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
V'Ger the ship or V'Ger with cloud?
The cloud and the Dyson Sphere are going to be roughly the same size, assuming that the star within the sphere was roughly sunlike and the environment they were looking to build was roughly class M. Of course, the behavior of the star in the episode suggests it wasn't your average G2 star, so I don't know.
How big is this Andromeda ship? I mean, if it is the size of the Earth, well, that is big, and good for them. But the Dyson Sphere (or the V'Ger cloud) had enough volume to hold 13,008,290,663,594 Earths. More or less. If my numbers are right. Which is usually unlikely.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, the Magog Worldship was comprised of twenty hollowed planets in... whatchacallit, an icosahedron? There was a standard-size yellow star in the center, around which the structure was built.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
As far as scrolling goes, I'd recommend you just pick a nice average width (like, say 1024 which most people tend to have their desktops set to) as I find it a lot easier to scroll up and down than side to side (and up and down like the current image requires).
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: As far as scrolling goes, I'd recommend you just pick a nice average width (like, say 1024 which most people tend to have their desktops set to) as I find it a lot easier to scroll up and down than side to side (and up and down like the current image requires).
Good idea... I may do that.
Only problem: The SSD image is longer than that -- 1700 pixels. But that's only one ship, so I may find a way to work around that. Like orienting that ship vertically. (It's the only ship that's longer than 10 kilometers so far -- aside from the extreme examples like the Death Stars and the Magog "systemship" [I guess "worldship" doesn't quite fit, does it?].)
As for the size of that Magog-death-thing, it's kind of hard to tell the scale. It's definitely got a star (artificial or natural) at the center, and I assumed that those were real planet-sized masses, but the scale to link all the spheres is pretty distorted. Especially when you look at the rings that link the whole thing together. Either it's something that's even more complex in construction than the Dyson Sphere, or it's a bit smaller than we were lead to believe.
Heh... You could include my Elani supercruiser if you really wanted to. Here's an image to scale with the chart. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I would have to say that the components of the Magog structure are far, far larger than your average planet.
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
Mega Maid would certainly be up there too!
MEGA MAID!
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
I went and tried to do this last night.. i made a chart with Mega-Maid, the Eagle-5 Winnebago the NSEA Protector, and Red Dwarf, but the size differences were too great for it to work.. it was pretty funny having to assign governments to the
Spaceball-1 (Mega Maid configuration) approx. 6,000 km The Planet Spaceballs
Eagle-5 Winnebago 8 meters owned by Lone Starr
N.S.E.A. Protector, NTE-3120 365.4 meters National Space Exploration Agency (?)
BTW, in my research i found that the 'NTE' in NTE-3120 stands for 'Not The Enterprise'
Posted by Nimpim (Member # 205) on :
PsyPork: "Regarding Red Dwarf, we would have to assume that both models are 5 miles long, if we stick to Cat's line."
What, "All your Five Miles Long Base Are Belong To Us !!!"?
Wraith: I didn't know you were into Honor Harrington? Thanks for the link, I tracked down the whole gallery.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Other large Trek structures:
The First Federation's Fesarius The Whale Probe The Remmler Array The Epsilon 9 station Drydock The Borg Transwarp Hub The Borg 'village' from Dark Frontier The Caretaker's Array
B5:
The Vorlon Planet-Killer The Shadow Cloud The Minbari Cruiser The Centauri Cruiser
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Topher: What's that Elani ship from? I don't recognize the reference. (Also, given the size, that image isn't really detailed enough. Sorry.)
Captain Mike: If I can find a good image of Spaceball One and/or Mega Maid, they're definitely going in!
BTW, can you give me a reference for the NSEA Protector's length? I got something around 450 meters...
Andrew: I've already added the Remmler Array, too. Epsilon IX will go in if I can find a good size reference, and most of the others assuming I can find good images. Exceptions: the Whale Probe is too big -- remember that the little ball/extension was about the size of the Spacedock -- and the Drydocks are too small to show up properly, since they're mainly thin lines.
I actually tried a test image of the Vorlon planet killer, but that thing is 45 km long minimum -- too big, especially because the image I found got too grainy when blown up that big.
The Minbari and Centauri cruisers are already in also. The Shadow death cloud won't be in because it's undefined shape, and literally the size of a planet.
General note: I'm probably going to make a little inset to use for some of the smaller ships later on. But right now, anything that's smaller than about 200 meters ends up being just a unidentifiable smudge on the screen. Example in my preliminary chart: the USS Discovery from "2001" really IS there!
Addendum: I really must learn to try to use more specific search parameters. A search of the term "mega maid" (with quotes) in OS X's Sherlock engine returned THIS link among the top five! Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
there is only one image that comes up on google image search.. type 'mega maid' i rotated it and it scaled up ok when i adjusted to bright/contrast.. none of it in the regular configuration. the size is based on the fact that it straddled a damn planet. BTW, if you have SafeSearch toggled to 'off' you should see some of the mega maid pics I saw...
a scale reference Cinefex Magazine states that the 8 foot effect model of the NSEA Protector was 1:200 scale, which would make the "Real" Protector about 1600 feet long. this doesnt jibe with the size of the bridge module compared to cars in the convention parking lot, unless it had more decks in it than just the bridge. and the shuttlebay was much too large for a ship that size. but whose shuttle bay isnt these days? possibly that was a tip of the hat to Voyager and DS9 Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Dan: I said it was my Elani ship. It was a joke, as the Elani are a race I created for the Trek universe. Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Perhaps you should split the thing into two charts with different scales, and use, say, the Federation starbase as the dividing point? Have it on both as a point of comparison. Have the uber-structures like the Death Star(s) and the MegaMaid on one, and the normal ships on the other.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Hey, I like that idea of using one large structure as the benchmark between the two! I'll look into that... Thanks! Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Hey I just wanted to say, MM, that this is really cool. I very much look forward to seeing the finished product. I do like the idea of having a separate structures chart, but it's very cool to see them all together. Anyway, excellent work, sir...
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I just thought of another ship to add to the list after seeing the episode today - the Husnock ship was a bit bigger than the E-D IIRC.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nimpim:
Wraith: I didn't know you were into Honor Harrington? Thanks for the link, I tracked down the whole gallery.
Yeah; started reading after that thread, earlier this year. Took me a little while to get hold of 'em all though; can't wait for War of Honor! Also found Honor-Harrington.com if you're interested.
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
quote:the Husnock ship was a bit bigger than the E-D IIRC.
Yeah... by about eight times. Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
I agree that you should separate the thing into two (or more) charts.
I would suggest the following categories:
1. Ships (capable of traversing space moving under their own power)
2. Structures (immobile, or mobile only with thrusters or tugs)
and possibly subdivide 2, to create category 3
3. Planetary and larger objects (Death Stars, Dyson Spheres, Unicron...) Perhaps the smallest Death Star would be your benchmark, then again, it was apparently capable of travelling through space...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'd just make Red Dwarf the same size as B5. They were both said to be "5 miles long", and I doubt that Grant or Naylor ever bothered to come up with an exact measurement.
And in case you don't know, it's a JMC vessel. Jupiter Mining Corporation, apparently run by the SpaceCorp (which always struck me as weird. The SpaceCorp seemed to be a military oganisation, but Red Dwarf was a commercial vessel).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The Remmler array - sorry... hang-on... there were two arrays weren't there...
Did you have both, I can't remember
There was the Argus Array (from The Nth Degree and Parallels) the Remmler Array from Starship Mine.
Could the second deathstar move? (i.e. under it's own capacity when finished?)
How did the deathstar move anyway - I assume it could enter hyperspace.
The Elani WERE a Trek race weren't they... from DS9's "Armageddon Game" Season 2.
How big was the Crystalline Entity?
The Whale probe - I thought the ball was as big as the Saratoga as it went past?
Also, what about Yonada from "For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" (Is that like the best Trek episode Title ever!?!)
On a separate page I think there will be at least the Vorlon Planet Killer, Whale Probe etc. The things that get into the kilometers. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: Could the second deathstar move?
What good would it be otherwise?
"Now the Ewoks will never dare to rebel against us, with the knowledge that this fully armed and operational battle station hangs above their pitiful planet!"
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Forest moon".
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
*incinerates Tim in a flash of blue fingertip lightning*
Fool! Now, this meeting of the Coruscant Timber Company is called to order. Item one: my complete and total dominance of the market! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Incidentally, the forest moon *did* get blasted to smithereens, albeit not intentionally so. So, uh, there. Rebel environmentalists would have a field day, if there still were Endorian fields to have days on.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
When did Endor blow up?
Oh and there is another Goa'uld ship it's name starts with 'a'... it's what Tanith is piloting just before it crashes into a stargate in the season 5 episode "48 hours" aka "Teal'c Interrupted".
Andrew
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Endor didn't literally blow up, but it was ecologically devastated by the Death Star's destruction.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
You're thinking of the T'Lani in "Armageddon Game". The only Elani in the Encyc is some Drayan chick.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Only, of course, it wasn't, because Lucas Doesn't Care What They Think.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote: An ecological disaster at Endor is grounded in the canonical facts of Return of the Jedi.
Oh god, not the "The Death Star Blowing Up Destroyed Endor" thing. That's even worse than the "They're sensor towers, not shield generators!" thing. Or "It's Enterprise-class, not Constitution-class". It's pointless, anal, and based on huge assumptions of technology. It's the worst sort of fan"fact"ion.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, I'm not quite sure how you can equate the three of those. One's based entirely on non-canon evidence; one's entirely contradictory to low-level canon evidence; and one's based entirely on canon evidence and science.
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
because science has conclusively proven what happens when an object of indeterminate size blows up with an indeterminate and unknown type of energy at an unknown distance from a moon of indeterminate size, and has an effect on a certain area which may or may not be completely populated and may or may not have been in orbit of something else and could quite possibly have been facing it, or not?
I hasten to point out that I have no argument with the crazy number-crunchers who came up with the theory. It's just that, you know, Lucas Doesn't Care. Because they are needed for the cartoon!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And also, really, the Star Wars universe doesn't care jack shit about "real" science. And because there are so many assumptions running through that article as to render is all a bit pointless. And Captain Mike has gone up in my estimation, which I'm sure thrills him to bits.
quote:One's based entirely on non-canon evidence; one's entirely contradictory to low-level canon evidence; and one's based entirely on canon evidence and science.
Er, which one's which? Because if you are contending that the fireworks at the end of Jedi are proof (PROOF, I TELLS YA!) that bits of the Death Star (sorry, The Death Star II) are falling onto Endor then, well, really, what?
That man is a doctor! He could have used the many many hours he spent writing that in depth and ever-so-patronising document helping mankind, by working on a flying car, or something.
Posted by The Mike Who Would Be Captain (Member # 709) on :
I could feel that thrilling people as i wrote it like a man posessed. I slept with great joy before I even knew that i had definitely thrilled somebody.
I'm just about back to normal now, though.
Yeah, I want a frickin flying car!
Posted by Eric Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Thrilling somebody usually causes one to sleep with great joy.
Also of interest.
Posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant (Member # 709) on :
hot damn.. i was getting disappointed with the twenty-first century.. i mean, i waited all this fricking time and then all of a sudden its a new millenia, and guess what?
no flying cars.
i was ready to pack up my stuff and head back to 1987 until you showed me that
*shuts off the time tunnel* .. at least til i need it again
Posted by Eric Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Yes. It has restored my faith in humanity. No more customized DeLoreans!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
So, any more progress on the chart? Or do we have to carry on this conversation about flying cars and silly, silly Star Wars fanatics?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
A bit of progress. I've added a few ships, and did indeed find that image of Mega Maid that was mentioned earlier. At this point, I'm probably going to work on rearranging the ships I've got and get the current chart ready, and then do the secondary charts (for ships smaller than, say, 350 meters) afterwards.
At this point, the one ship that I really want to have is Moya, from "Farscape." I haven't found a single fan-made image of Moya yet -- and there are no decent images that have Moya in a side profile. (There's one shot, from "Nerve" in the first season, but the ship is silhouetted against a planet and thus the coloring is not right for the chart.)
Anyone know if there's a fan model of Moya out there?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Uh.. Got a link? Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Also, here'e the Valley Forge from "Silent Running."
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
"Moia"? Heh, it seems that that particular webmaster doesn't watch the show...
Thanks, Shik. I'll look into the Valley Forge a bit.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
It's not about watching the show, it's about copyright infringement issues. There's plenty of models of the Rodger Young from "Starship Troopers" out there (& another good addition to the chart!), but they're called things like "Starship Carrier" & the like to prevent CI problems.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
You'll probably have to make up your own schematic.
Posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant (Member # 709) on :
put the flying car on it too.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
The carrier from "TRON" & the Ko-Dan command ship from "Last Starfighter."
I can't believe we forgot these.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
But wouldn't the carrier from TRON be like ultra-microscopic what with it being, like, a virtual contruct within the computer system.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh, images stored on your hard drive are not actually printed in miniature on the disk. Also, there are no tiny men in your television.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Shik: The carrier from "TRON" & the Ko-Dan command ship from "Last Starfighter."
I can't believe we forgot these.
I can.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
If we are going for eighties movies/series then what about the ships from Battlestar Galactica?
Are there any ships from TAS?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I've already got the Galactica and the Cylon Base Stars on there, though the sizes are only approximate.
Research for this project has been temporarily suspended, seeing as I'm busy returning to college right now... but I certainly won't forget it!
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
So now that college is more or less over, will this project be ressurected? Purdy please?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
College ain't over for me until May 29, after my last exam. That's because my semester didn't start until February 10 -- Delaware uses a trimester system with a short, six-week semester in January, so the spring term runs a bit later than usual.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
*bump*
Well, I've finally gotten around to finishing this little project! Well, mostly, anyway. It's in readable form with no images overlapping the others. I'm very likely to be expanding it as time goes on...
Think you could be persuaded to chuck in Starbase 74 (for good measure) and the Independence Day city destroyers, per chance? B)
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Actually, I've got Starbase 74 in my newly updated Trek-only charts, found here:
And the ID4 destroyer ships are so frickin' huge, they wouldn't even FIT on that super-huge chart I've got. Those things are 24 kilometers across, after all. On my image, that would equate to 2400 pixels!
Although I have decided to break down and make up another, larger-scale image for those absolutely mind-bogglingly-huge ships, like V'Ger, the Whale Probe, the Vorlon Planet Killer... the ID4 ships will probably go in there. Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Aww, what the heck. Here's a preliminary chart with what I've got:
*claps*
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Very cool, MM. FYI, the Discovery and the Leonov are not showing up. You should think about compiling a caf�press.com poster soon. I'd pay cash money for that.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
This chart is cool. Nicer than others I've seen.
One note: I think the TOS "Doomsday Machine" (aka Planet Killer) is bigger than shown. Albeit its apparent scale varied in some shots (notably when the shuttlecraft flew into it), if you go by the Constellation as it's seen flying into the machine, you can make out the approximate dimensions of the device (since the Constellation is the same size as the Enterprise). A friend and I did this back when I wrote a spec TNG script using ye old Planet Killer (in 1989). I got the numbers out of my filing cabinet:
Average thickness of hull at "maw": 128m Diameter of "maw" end: 580m Length: 4150m
So make of that what you will...
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Heh. Lexx. Out of sheer curiosity, how did you ever get the dimensions for that? Or heck, for Galaxy Quest? Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Actually, I found some blueprints for the NSEA Protector about a year ago... I've only made a rough estimate of the size based on the command module crashing into the convention at the end, but it's close enough to start with.
As for Lexx, I just borrowed that from Jeff Russell's materials, www.merzo.net ...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Bueatiful chart man. I agree that the Planetkiller should be larger (4100 meters sounds about right to me). The Dominion Battleship should be closer to 1200-1450 meter range (unless you're using that one shot in DS9's finale as your refrence). The Son'a battleship seems a bit small based on the Insurrection size comparison chart. The Galactica looks right although there is numerous evidence showing the ship to be only about 600 meters long (based on the launchbays and launchtubes).
Side note: any idae how large the Cardassian weapons platforms were? I may build a model of one and I want it correct. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh and have you got any (ok I haven't visited your updated page yet) Stargate stuff!?!
The Goa'uld pyramid ship (movie version) pyramid ship Series version Cargo Ship Death Glider "threading the needle" version
Asgard ship Nox Ship Harvester Ship of the Aschen the three Earth ship versions
and possible could you put the sydney opera house or harbour bridge there as a size comparison?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I have no Stargate ships -- can't find any (so far).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Everyone keep an eye out!!
yes - they certainly aren't easy to find.
Like SG1 merchandise.
Andrew
Posted by djewell (Member # 1111) on :
nice chart, MM. Is the Death Star going on the new huge chart?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
The Death Star(s) are just too freakin' big for anything -- unless I want to add ANOTHER chart. And I don't watch enough of the kind of sci-fi where things go so far overboard...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And why is Red Dwawf STILL not on there? Hmm?
Also, the Discovery and Alexei Leonov seemed to be cloaked.
And wasn't it 2010: Odyssey Two?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Because I've still never found a decent image of the ship that I can use.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Have you been monitoring this thread every minute of every day for the past several months?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
No, I just happened to be online when you posted. And when I first started the thread, I ordered e-mail notifications. There's no way to cancel them after the fact in the classic UBB setup. So even a year later, I'm getting notices of every new post to this thread... *sigh*
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
The size difference between Death Star I and Death Star II is big (160-165Km - 800-960Km), but you don't get just how big until you see representations. Therefore you must show them! :-)
Is the Dyson's Sphere larger or smaller than the Death Stars? I know it's got a sun in the middle of it, but surely it couldn't be as big as ours?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Uhm... assuming it was built around a G-type star like Sol and its inhabitants shared our love for Terran environments, the Dyson Sphere would have had a radius somewhere in the region of 150 MILLION kilometers, and an internal volume some 6600 TRILLION times that of the DS II... so yes, it was larger. B)
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
thats big
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Note that a *real* Dyson sphere doesn't not entail a full shell around a star - rather, it's a collection of millions of planitesimals built by using the gas giants like Jupiter as raw materials. They would be mostly solar collectors with a bunch of colony habitats interspersed in between, all orbiting independently at around 1AU. The idea was to create a hypOthetical structure that could maximize the energy being emitted by a star.
quote:Originally posted by Nim: The size difference between Death Star I and Death Star II is big (160-165Km - 800-960Km), but you don't get just how big until you see representations. Therefore you must show them! :-)
Isn't the size of the Death Stars an even more hotly debated topic than the Defiant?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
And wasn't it 2010: Odyssey Two?
The book was. The movie was "The Year We Make Contact", though I don't believe that actually appeared in the title sequence. Been a while.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Another alert to MinutiaeMan's e-mail account, ha, ha!
By pure definition a Dyson's Sphere is 2-AUs across, which is in a word; Big. Not nearly as BIG as space, but Big none the less. The same size as the V'ger cloud by a not particularly amazing coinsidence (post-Director's Edition edit.)
The Death Stars on the other hand while also falling into the eternally vague catagory of 'big' are 'only' the size of small moons. So while one may be quite a bit bigger than the other neither even approaches the size of a 2-AU diamature sphere...which is of course Big.
[ September 16, 2003, 05:16 PM: Message edited by: Reverend ]
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Of course, it's assinine to think that nobody had discovered the dyson sphere before the Enterprise. Literally dozens (if not hundreds) of nearby solar systems would have to be broken down for the sphere's raw construction materials- even if the sphere was only a few feet thick. If you had that kind of power, why build a Dyson Sphere in the first place?
The only option is that the Sphere's creators could make "fake matter" by directly converting the star's energy output into nearly massless solid material ....but that speaks of nearly unlimited energy manipulation capabilities so why bother harnessing one star's power?
It's grandiose, but pointless.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Well, the Dyson Sphere's builders could also have perfected the technology of creating matter with a zero-point energy field, similar to what was supposedly used to create more self-replicating mines around the Bajoran wormhole.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The whole point of Dyson's speculation was that it would take only the amount of material available in our solar system to construct a cloud or sphere or what have you that would surround the sun and swallow up all its energy. So you don't need hundreds of planetary systems by any means. A couple of jovians and a smattering of rock and you're good to go. Beyond that, the other point is that a star thus surrounded would literally disappear. All or almost all of its emitted energy would be collected, and thus no one could see it directly.
Now, admittedly, in Star Trek they've got fancy gravitational sensors, and could perhaps more easily notice that a star didn't appear to be where something star-sized should be, but space isn't a trivial place to look for things. Consider black holes, which behave a lot like a dyson sphere in some ways. Sure, we've found some, but if you were to list every black hole in the Milky Way and pick one at random, the odds are we'd have no idea of its existence.
Having written all this it occurs to me that we do have the problem of the Jenol*n, a ship apparently host to retirees, running into it, but it was a Real Starfleet Ship, so maybe they were taking the long way around to Old Man's World.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Y'know, the Dyson Sphere might contain several trillion times the volume of the Death Star, but it's only several thousand times the mass. It's far bigger on that scale, but not quite so mind-bogglingly so.
Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
First of all, Beautiful. These are some seriously nice charts. However,
First point you have the size of the Executor off by about 10,000 meters. SSDs are only 8,000 meters long. The Eclipse on the other hand is 17.5km long.
Second, the largest Mon Cal I can find is 1,200 meters. This is for both the MC80 and MC90 classes.
Not trying to burst any bubbles or point out what is wrong just thought you might want to be as accurate as possible. This info comes from the essential guide to vehicles and vessels and SWRPG starships of the galaxy. The Eclipse is solely from the essential guide.
Again great work, better then I could ever do. Me and graphics programs hate each other.
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Epoch: First point you have the size of the Executor off by about 10,000 meters. SSDs are only 8,000 meters long. The Eclipse on the other hand is 17.5km long.
Executor Class Command Ships are between 17.4 and 17.9 km long, based on evidence from the movies.
Any source that says they are some other length is wrong.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Epoch: First point you have the size of the Executor off by about 10,000 meters. SSDs are only 8,000 meters long. The Eclipse on the other hand is 17.5km long.
Second, the largest Mon Cal I can find is 1,200 meters. This is for both the MC80 and MC90 classes.
Epoch, not that I don't appreciate the input, but did you take a look at the links to my sources? There's a pretty thorough analysis of the size of the Executor at TheForce.net. Although the official stat is 12 km, and several books have even more erroneously stated 8 km, the definitive figure, based on direct screen analysis, comes out to the length I used -- 17.8 km.
As for the Mon Cal cruiser, take a closer look at the label. "Home One" was a different ship from any of the others. Take a look at the scene just before the Rebel fleet jumps to hyperspace in "Return of the Jedi" -- as the Falcon is flying through the fleet, it takes FOREVER to pass the full length of Home One -- meaning that it's much bigger than most other ships in the fleet.
That's why Home One is larger than the other Mon Cal ships I've got on my chart.
Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
Sorry I should have made mention to the fact that I wasn't disagreeing with the Home One size, just mentioning the sizes for the standard Mon Cals.
And yes I did see the links, but with all of the confusion on the net it does seem to me that a hard source would be a better idea to use for the size. The arguements are very good for a 17km SSD but due to confusion on the parts of EU writers the standard length of an SSD is 8km. Also the Eclipse was always intended to be far larger then an SSD but the only given length for it is 17km. While that isn't much of an arguement it does lead to some questions about what has become the accepted lengths.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Also the Eclipse was always intended to be far larger then an SSD but the only given length for it is 17km.
Well, given that I've never read any of those books (comics?) with the Eclipse in it (isn't that the story about the cloned Emperor and the aftermath of Thrawn's death?), I'm not going to worry too much about that. If you look closely, the only "Star Wars" ships in my chart are from the movies, with the sole exception of Timothy Zahn's trilogy and duology (which is why I included Lando's shieldship from Nkklon).
quote:While that isn't much of an arguement it does lead to some questions about what has become the accepted lengths.
You mean like the length of the Defiant?
So it's different. My sources are coherent and based off of a specific source. I'm not simply regurgitating the official line or someone's random and ill-informed assumption. I'm sorry if that doesn't agree with your own perspective, but it's my chart. (Not trying to be confrontational, just explaining my point of view...) REQUEST:
I watched Sci-Fi's "Farscape" marathon yesterday, and I'm starting to think that I might have underestimated the size of the Peacekeeper Command Carrier. Would anyone be interested in performing an independent analysis of the size of the Carrier with respect to the Leviathans that were seen in Crais's fleet group? I made the rough guess of about 5 kilometers (or about 3.5 times Moya's length), based on the shots we saw from the first season, mainly in "Premiere" with the still-captive Leviathans in the fleet after Moya's escape. But I think that may be a serious underestimation.
I've also remembered another potential source, but I haven't found a screenshot of it -- the scene where Moya was captured by Commandant Cleavage (ahem; Grayza) and brought to Scorpy's Carrier, in "Into the Lion's Den, Part II: Wolf in Sheep's Clothing." IIRC we get an awesome shot of Moya from across the bow of the Command Carrier; but the shot was all too brief and I don't have a clear memory of it. A nice picture there would be appreciated. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: Although the official stat is 12 km, and several books have even more erroneously stated 8 km, the definitive figure, based on direct screen analysis, comes out to the length I used -- 17.8 km.
So the Executor is destroyed by a fighter 2970 times smaller than itself. That's like a hummingbird destroying the Connie refit.
The defining moment where the Empire was finished, right there. Cash in your Imperial 401K's and post your resume on Galacticmonster.com.
Admiral Piet's last words: "I knew it- I'm surronuded by assholes!!!" Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I think if you threw a C4 explosive pack into the command bridge of a Nimitz-class carrier, while it was cruising next to a 5-mile wide/half-mile deep whirlpool, they'd be kind of way up shit creek too. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
But a Nimitz class would have shot the fucker down!! And even with 80% of the ship a horrible buring wreck, the Benjamin Franklin stayed afloat back in WWII.
Good thing Vader was dead at the end of Jedi. There'd be some chokin' over that cluster fuck.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Yes, imagine Vader's surprise when opening the hatch to his Death Star Quarters and seeing a smoldering, vertical Super Star Destroyer nose penetrating the ceiling.
Vader: "My ship!!!" Piett: *sticks sooty head out through escape hatch* "Ah yes, about that..."
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Wee, superflous post, noticed the Star Wars Acclamator-class is already on the chart.
Where did you find a sideview, MinutiaeMan? Do you have a larger original? ;.)
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Nim: It's already there. Check the top right corner. As to its origin, it's actually a kitbashed version of the Victory-class Star Destroyer that I borrowed from somewhere.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Why is there no tech pictures for ships from Stargate - there are some GREAT designs on that show!
Andrew
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
For the same reason there aren't any the last time you asked, Andrew -- I haven't found any decent side views of the ships yet.
If you can point me to some decent sources, though, I'll definitely add them to the mix.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
A request. Course, it would work out to about half a pixel across.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
*gasp* I've been looking for clean pics of Serenity ever since I first saw the show! That one's going in right away!
...If I can find some good measurements to go along with the image. Shouldn't be too hard, though. Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
Good request, to bad they canceled the show.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Why are there no Red Dwarf side images anywhere? Eh? I have found some Blue Midget ones, but I don't quite think that it would be visible on that chart.
Hasn't anyone got the DVDs? There were plenty of stock shots of the ship flying sideways.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
I have got the DVDs, and I am glad that they used the original model shots instead of the rubbishy CGI from the so-called "special edition".
Unfortunately I have no way to capture images from DVDs (no PC with DVD drive, sorry!) Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
I have the DVDs but every time I try and do a screen cap it saves as a blank screen for some reason. I suspect my computer is cursed.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
That happens to most people. Your screencap program needs to be compatibile with the graphics card, and that's not always the case.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Ah, Ok. I think I prefered my explanation Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Well, I've had the exact same problem with every screencap from a DVD that I've tried to take in the past two years. What REALLY sucks is that when I try to use non-fullscreen windows, it will take an image of the computer screen parts, but leave the movie window black!
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
PowerDVD or WinDVD. Learn them. Use them. Love them.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It's not a "problem" or mistake, but a side-effect of how the image is displayed. Rather than using your normal display, DVD movies use Complex DirectX Stuff to maximise efficiency. Which means they don't show up on normal screengraps.
Still as Cartman points out (sort of), pretty much all DVD software has capture buttons. Use them!
The DVDs don't use the "remastered" footage, with the evil, evil Long Red Dwarf in them, do they?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
The quality isn't great, and it's upside down, but what about this?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You want him to include the Tripod logo? Not exactly a ship.... Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: The DVDs don't use the "remastered" footage, with the evil, evil Long Red Dwarf in them, do they?
Nope; they're 100% Original Dwarf.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Austin Powers: I have got the DVDs, and I am glad that they used the original model shots instead of the rubbishy CGI from the so-called "special edition".
Unfortunately I have no way to capture images from DVDs (no PC with DVD drive, sorry!)
They did!!!!! Good - I hated the CGI'd version of RD.
Do they bring back that dark music from the first two seasons!?!
I loved that music - I can't find an mp3 of it anywhere.
Andrew
This is the mining ship Red Dwarf...
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
I must admit I have never seen an episode of the remastered edition. Just parts of the opening credits. I have some old videos of season two, taped in the UK in the early nineties and the music on them is the same as on the DVDs of season one and two.
So I guess, yes, the soundtrack is the original too.
On the DVDs there's also a special feature called audio cues, where you can listen to all the music separately. Perhaps one can make an mp3 from those somehow.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I don't think the actual in-episode music was changed.
The original version had two theme tunes. A dark, brooding, Also Sprach Zarathusa for series 1 and 2, and a sexed up rock version for the others. The remastered ones mixed them together. It was interesting, to be fair. And the pull back from Lister to the entire ship was far superior.
Still, the new RD was a bit meh. Where was all that rock along the bottom of the ship? How comes the brand new model looked less massive than the original? And how comes, when Dr Who was filled with really, really shit effects, Red Dwarf was able to do really nice ship shots? Eh?
Posted by RAMA4 (Member # 1229) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
And so I'm looking for help from the best group of sci-fi enthusiasts with a penchant for things technological and pertaining to starships that I know. Credit will be given on the page that links to the image once it goes online.
I have my BDO lists, which I have now seperated into 2 mile long ships and those between 1-2 miles. I looked at yoru lists and some of the lengths to not add up to some of the info I have found. For example, the super star destroyer is waaaay too big. But regardless, since there are always doubts, I'm willing to entertain almsot any specualtion. Here I include only the 2 mile PLUS list, though I haven't fixed it in awhile. There may be a few inconsistencies.
SIZE AND MATTER DOES MATTER!!
The largest intelligence made objects ever seen in the history of live action visual fiction. Only contiguous objects 1 mile and larger make the cut.
Some notes. This list is by no means comprehensive and I would welcome anything I have missed. Many of the ship sizes are guesses of course, since most SF shows do not have manuals or info like we have become used to with ST, B5 and SW. I'm probably missing some artificial worlds, bases, or the like from Blake's 7, Dr Who, Space 1999, Farscape or something. If you have official info to correct me let me know.
1. V'Ger-STTMP: Plain and simple. By far the largest megastructure ever seen in history..all 82 astronomical units of it.
2. Dyson Sphere-STNG: 200 million kilometers diameter sphere of carbon-neutronium massiveness. The surface area of millions of planets.
3. The Planet of Sentient Machines-STTMP: Estimate: Size of Earth or MUCH larger. 8,000 miles plus in diameter.
17. Dominion Construction Yard Base Complex-DS9- 25 miles across?
18. Alien City Destroyers-Independence Day- 25 miles.
19. Vorlon Planet Killer-B5. 12.5 miles
20. Delphic Expanse Artificial "moon"-ENTERPRISE-10.6 miles
21. "The Shadow Planetkiller is not really a ship per se, its works more as pure weapon. It is composed of a cloud of particles (presumably nano-technology) and huge missiles. When attacking a planet, the cloud surrounds it, devouring the atmosphere and everything in it, while thousands and thousands of missiles are lauched towards the surface." Planetkiller 10 miles?
21. Timelord ship from "Trial of a Timelord-Dr Who. 10 miles
22. Son'a Science ship/collector-ST:Insurrection. 10 miles
23. Ice City ship Delos-Dr Who. 10 miles
24. Borg Cube and Tactical Cube-STNG, Voyager.6-8 miles
25. Lexx-Lexx:The Dark Zone. 10km Long (6.2miles)
26. Doomsday Machine Planet Killer-TOS. 5-10 miles
27. Alien Solar Sailer-New Outer Limits. 5-10+ miles high.
28. Stargate-B5- .62 to 6.2 mile sections
29. Wormhole Transit System Element-Contact. 5+ miles
37. Lunar Ring Space Station-Starship Troopers. 5 miles tall
38. Guild Highliners-Dune. 3-5 miles long.
39. First Ones Ships-B5- Appear to vary 1-5 miles in diameter.
40. Red Dwarf-Red Dwarf-4 miles long. 2600 floors
41. Alien Cruiser-B5-4 Miles
42. Earthforce Explorer Class ship-B5. 3.79 miles
43. Factory Ship-Hypernauts- 3+ miles.
44. Visitors Saucers-V mini-series. 3 miles in diameter.
45. Epsilon 9 station-STTMP. 3 miles long.
46. Hypergate-Lost in Space. 2-5 miles?
47. Husnock Ship-STNG. 1-3 miles
48. Vampire Lifeforce Collector-Lifeforce. 2 miles in length.
49. Companion ship. Earth: Final Conflict. 2 miles?
50. Whale Probe. STIV. 2+ miles?
51. Krenim Weapon Ship-Voyager. 2+ miles?
52. Drakh Cruiser- B5- 2.1 miles
53. Orbital Space Station. Aliens. 2 miles?
54. Alien Saucer-Seaquest. About 2 miles
55. Space Dock-STIII. 2-3 miles high.
56. Utopia Planitia Main Base-Voyager- 2 miles or more
57. Orbital Space Complex. Event Horizon. 2 miles wide?
55. Gadmeer Terraformor-Stargate SG1-2 miles wide
56. SPACE STATION, GOA'ULD-2 miles
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Isn't V'Ger + cloud now officially "only" 2 aus in diameter?
Out of curiousity, where'd you get the 4 miles for Red Dwarf figure from? I think it's said in one of the novels, but I'm not 100% certain.
Posted by RAMA4 (Member # 1229) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Isn't V'Ger + cloud now officially "only" 2 aus in diameter?
Out of curiousity, where'd you get the 4 miles for Red Dwarf figure from? I think it's said in one of the novels, but I'm not 100% certain.
Not that I know of, is a new size referred to in the DE for V'er?
I forget exactly where I got the RD info, but it was official and very specific. Maybe I can find it again..
BTW does anyone on here KNOW HOW BIG THE Magog Worldship is?? Does anyone else here realize that this is Andromeda's salute to the works of Larry Niven?
RAMA
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
Actually, I believe that V'ger's measurement of 82? AU's in diameter was for the forcecloud surrounding the ship not the ship itself. As for the V'ger ship, I haven't seen any specs but my guess would be in the 175-200 mile range based on the flyby of Enterprise.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I don't KNOW HOW BIG THE worldship is, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out if you assume that the things are planets of near-earth size, within a reasonable range. It may be the single largest artificial structure in sci-fi of which I am aware. And how is it related to Niven? He didn't invent the concept of sun-encircling structures.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Excuse this reply, but I need to deactivate the "e-mail notification" preference from this ancient topic. Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
quote:Originally posted by WizArtist: Actually, I believe that V'ger's measurement of 82? AU's in diameter was for the forcecloud surrounding the ship not the ship itself. As for the V'ger ship, I haven't seen any specs but my guess would be in the 175-200 mile range based on the flyby of Enterprise.
Its true, the ship itself is only 60 miles long, but the powerfield has always been an intrinsic part of the V'Ger probe to my mind. Enteprise traveled through miles of fields that seemed to be a part of the design, either to confuse or protect outsiders.
RAMA
Posted by RAMA4 (Member # 1229) on :
quote:Originally posted by Omega: I don't KNOW HOW BIG THE worldship is, but it shouldn't be too hard to figure out if you assume that the things are planets of near-earth size, within a reasonable range. It may be the single largest artificial structure in sci-fi of which I am aware. And how is it related to Niven? He didn't invent the concept of sun-encircling structures.
Well, its hard to say..20 worlds as opposed to the materials of millions of worlds it took to build the Dyson Shpere...I'd still say the Dyson sphere is bigger. Based on the few photos images of the Magog Worldship, I'd estimate it to be about 5-6 of the larger worlds in diameter across. If they're 10,000 miles then that might be about 60,000 miles. If they're larger, maybe its in the 100,000 mile range, still well short of the Dyson SPhere.
There are other ringworlds/dyson spheres in SF, but the closest analog I have seen to the Magog ship is the Puppeteer worldship.
RAMA
Posted by RAMA4 (Member # 1229) on :
Another point...all the official stats I have seen, including 1970s source materials list the Battlestar Galactica as 800 FEET long...where are the 610 and 1700 METER long figures coming from?
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: I don't think the actual in-episode music was changed.
The original version had two theme tunes. A dark, brooding, Also Sprach Zarathusa for series 1 and 2, and a sexed up rock version for the others. The remastered ones mixed them together. It was interesting, to be fair. And the pull back from Lister to the entire ship was far superior.
Still, the new RD was a bit meh. Where was all that rock along the bottom of the ship? How comes the brand new model looked less massive than the original? And how comes, when Dr Who was filled with really, really shit effects, Red Dwarf was able to do really nice ship shots? Eh?
Yes the brooding first and second season theme was great.
Did they ever explain why it look like an asteroid was imbedded in the underside of the ship? Was the ship built around one!?!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
BTW, Welcome back, RAMA! Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Did they ever explain why it look like an asteroid was imbedded in the underside of the ship? Was the ship built around one!?!
Thread...reactivation...confusing.
I have no idea. But it was a mining ship, so I guessed that they just scooped up big parts of asteroids and mined them as they went along.
And in other news, I'm pretty sure that it was reported that in the DE version of ST:TMP, the "eight" has been dubbed out of the line saying how big it is. But I haven't gotten around to getting it myself, so I'm not 100% sure.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Yeah, it's two AUs now.
Posted by RAMA4 (Member # 1229) on :
Last info for the night, according to the new Battlestar Galactica site, the NEW Galactica is 4500 ft long, less than a mile. No where near MY list.
I think the ship list should be seperated into different sizes, like megastructures and ships. I jsut can't see most of the " tiny" little cruisers and battleships.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"How comes the brand new model looked less massive than the original?"
Assuming I didn't already say this at whatever point in the thread it was originally mentioned... I'm guessing that, in your mind, you're seeing both versions of the ship as being the same length. Which makes the old version a behemoth, and the new version a little skinny thing. Personally, I automatically envision them as being the same diameter, which means the old version is a little stubby thing, and the new version is much huger.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well I think they try to explain it by saying that Red Dwarf was rebuilt by those nanites in the form that it was ORIGINALLY supposed to be... but that explains the look for season 8 but not for the rest of the seasons. Love the older version.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, they never should have inserted the new model into the old episodes. Thankfully, the DVDs are in the original form.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
On that note, I've just been watching the series 3 and 4 DVDs I got recently, and, in "D.N.A.", the Cat says RD is 5 miles long.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I didn't think they were up to season 4 yet. Are these the same as the ones over here, with a fairly large smattering of extras and stuff?
And my useless fact for the day..."D.N.A." stands for "Do Not Alter". Tell this to your lady friends while they watch the episode. They will be so impressed that they will perform any sexual act you can imagine, if you ask.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
My understanding is that, in Britain, one series is released each November and February. Over here, we get two series each February. So, right now, we should both be up to series 4, but you guys will get 5 in November while we wait 'til next year for 5 and 6 together.
Also, I think we get mostly the same extras as you get. Except there was something they were unable to include in the US due to copyright issues, so our DVDs come with "collector cards" with pictures of the characters on them.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Arrrrgh so many box sets to get.
Got Futurama seasons 2 and 3 a few weeks ago outside of Hobart, Tasmania for a 3rd of the normal retail price - pity he'd already sold season 1...
I've got SG-1 season 1 - but they haven't released any other seasons in Australia yet... maybe that it's on FTA and regularly repeated on pay-tv.
All the Star Trek box-sets are WAY too expensive... like $AU217 each season. Rediculous.
Buffy and Angel were recently here at 3/4 the normal price but were QUICKLY snatched up and are now back up to close to the original rrp.
X-Files, Dark Angel... hmmm can wait.
Simpsons (and the rest of Futurama normal price) at the usual $80 mark.
I DID buy "From the Earth to the Moon" off Amazon - which I was happy about.
So many series... so little money.
Oh and I wouldn't mind getting the B5 box sets... they are though around $100 each.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by RAMA4: Another point...all the official stats I have seen, including 1970s source materials list the Battlestar Galactica as 800 FEET long...where are the 610 and 1700 METER long figures coming from?
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THe 610 meter figure comes from measuring the diameter of the launch tubes compared with the known width of the vipers. Looking at that breakdown, it makes sense. Larson has said the old G was a nautical mile long but that seems huge.
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