I would like your help in delving into the book "How to serve Orc".
The movie "The Fellowship of the Ring" created some new questions we can sink our canines into, one of them being the production of the Uruk-Hai. The Great Orcs (Uruk-Hai) had been periodically created and used by the forces of Sauron for 500 years prior to the journey of the fellowship, according to the books.
The proud speech of Saruman kind of clinches with the book version ("elves were tortured into wretched orcs, now it has been perfected"). Everything indicates Sauron was manipulating Saruman into doing his errands, so the tools would've come from Mordor, not him.
The question is, what were they doing in there? My first impression, when seeing the mud/slime-vats of Orthanc, was giant petrie dishes.
But making a hybrid takes two basic specimens, so what happened to the other specimen?
In the movie, someone says "Saruman is breeding orcs with goblin-men", but in the book, the orcs are crossed with humans. Probably the Easterlings, that pledged their allegiance to Sauron.
Sexual procreation (human females raped by orcs) couldn't be Tolkien's intent, mitosis feels a bit out of their league, so what are we left with? Maybe we shouldn't rule out that at least a small portion of sorcery was used in the process, since both Saruman and Sauron are powerful sorcerers.
There appeared to be a bit of moaning and screaming coming from the vats, so the subjects didn't seem to be unconscious. I suppose the thick residue covering them was some imitation of a placenta or womb.
Thoguh�tas? Opini�nas?
Posted by Nimrod Pimding (Member # 205) on :
Disturbing Fact: When searching the web for "Saruman is breeding orcs with goblin-men", I was linked to a mail bin at www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com, a group of Holocaust-revisionist Right-Wing racists. Apparently some guy thought the Hollywood-Jews had toned down the racial topic by not letting it be Humans and Orcs that were bred, but goblins and orcs. Paranoid? Naah!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Sexual procreation (human females raped by orcs) couldn't be Tolkien's intent..."
Really? That's what I'd always assumed he meant. Maybe not the "rape" bit, but I figured it was sex between either male orcs and female humans or male humans and female orcs. I mean, that what "breed" usually implies...
Posted by Nimrod Pimding (Member # 205) on :
Aha, but I want to try and interpret the strange ongoings that we see in the movie.
Are you implying the vats were merely growth-accelerators for already finished babies, the liquids based on the same chemical recipe as that of the Ent-drinks (the Ents were close by)?
It still seems like Saruman in the movie created his forces on short notice, something that demanded an effective production not best left to the good ol' fashioned way�.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, I have no idea what the hell was going on in the movies. The Uruk-hai were made in Ziploc bags in the mud. I was very confused.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Oh, come on, surely you've heard of Saruman-brand boil-in-the-bag Orcs? They're famous! And delicious. . .
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Heheheh.
I never got that - what are "GOBLIN-men"? Goblins in the Hobbit were another name for Orcs. I could only guess they meant the Dunlendings. Wild men that lived west of the Gap of Rohan, intensly disliked the Rohirrim.
I can't wait to see the Olog Hai... Trolls bread with Orcs to with-stand day-light.
Posted by Nimrod Pimding (Member # 205) on :
That'll require industrial lubricant and you know it! The nerve!