..And I weep. I weep for a world in which a brilliantly fantastic show like Firefly can be cancelled in less than a year, and yet a mangled piece of dreck like Andromeda can continue on for at least another season and a half.
At least SG-1 has been renewed for another season. Small comfort, at best.
Mark
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
I honestly didn't enjoy the two episodes of FireFly I watched. I knew it would be cancelled when I first heard about it. May it rest in peace with Dark Angel.
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
No. I started watching Firefly, fuckin' good program. Way better written than Enterprise.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
I'm really hoping they'll get picked up by a smaller station: UPN, WB, even FX. I think that'd probably be a better match anyway.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I pray that the show gets picked up by some other station, any station -- even UPN.
Hell, if UPN bought "Firefly" as the lead-out show for "Enterprise," I could guarantee I'd stick around to watch both, assuming that Firefly doesn't dive in quality.
The simple fact is, that quality storytelling is not what the majority of people want for television entertainment these days. First "Farscape," now "Firefly." I'm starting to lose hope in the television industry, for all but a select few writers.
"No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." -- H.L. Mencken
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
You're just now beginning to lose faith in the television industry? I started losing it way back with Who Wants to Marry a MultiMillionaire?.
I'm sorry to see Firefly go (especially since I haven't been able to catch an episode yet), but at least the people in charge of the show are looking for some other network to take it over. There's hope in that.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: You're just now beginning to lose faith in the television industry? I started losing it way back with Who Wants to Marry a MultiMillionaire?.
Well, not really. But the fact was that before this, there was at least one show in production at any time that I honestly enjoyed. "Firefly," "Farscape," "Babylon 5," "Deep Space Nine," and even "Andromeda" for a while. There was at least ONE quality television series that was producing new episodes for me to enjoy.
But right now, I've got nothing left but TNG reruns, a small handful of "Firefly" eps to be aired when Fox deigns to release them, and the cold knowledge that the 11 remaining new "Farscape" episodes will lead up to an incredible and never-to-be-resolved cliffhanger.
"Enterprise"? Yeah, I'll probably watch it for a while yet, but it's hardly fulfilling at all. "Andromeda" has become a thoughtless shoot-em-up that I haven't watched since last season. TNG reruns will provide me with reasonable quality, but I've seen them all, so there's nothing new. "Nemesis" will provide a brief respite (since I'm assuming that I'll enjoy it based on fan reactions so far), but it's only a two-hour movie.
There ain't that much else out there worth my while. I've thought about getting into "Stargate," but I've never been fond of jumping into a series mid-stream. B5 reruns have been postponed on Sci-Fi for now, and I can't afford the DVD sets. And Sci-Fi hasn't shown a single "Farscape" rerun in over a year (aside from "Fractures" which was basically a cliffhanger before the season-ending arc).
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Did the thought strike you that quality television may well still be out there, provided you don't mind there being no spaceships or aliens in it?
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Don't be silly. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Two of those non-spaceship shows are even helmed by Joss Whedon. I mean, if that's the sort of thing you're looking for.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Just as long as it's not a medical drama.... Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I don't know for sure, but I gather that Farscape doesn't have a major cliffhanger at the end of this season. . . It's more of a "Hope and Fear" than a "Unimatrix Zero, Part I."
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Lee, how dare you compare "Farscape" to such travesties as "Unimatrix Zero"!
But I get the gist. I hope it's true, otherwise I'll be looking for copies of the "Omega 13" episode...
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
What little I saw of "Firefly" I rather enjoyed, despite the Western genre influences; I'm not a big fan of Western stuff. However, I usually work Friday nights, there's only one working VCR at the moment, it's my roommate's, & we use it as a TV tuner. And he likes to watch that stupid ass sports show with Tom Arnold. So.
But yeah..it's a cool premise, & I'm not a fan of Whedon's other..um, "sanguinary works" at all. The funny thing is, it reminds me a lot of "Cowboy Bebop" in someways, & I'd have to say that "Bebop" is perhaps the best sci-fi show I've ever seen, even if it is animated. The tech is incidental to the plots, it's massively character-driven, it's close enough to our own time that we can relate to it, & I love film noir style.
And hey...doesn't the Federation or whatever it is in "Firefly" remind anyone else of the Federation in "Blake's 7?"
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Naw, more like the Federation in "Starship Troopers". After all, they use the same grey motif, nasty attitude, and armor props.
SG-1 comes back in January. Small comforts...
Mark
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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Shik, I see you made the grand, congrats...
I've watched one ep. of Firefly, then didn't even tape it...
I liked Farscape... I got in to SG1, after catching a few reruns then starting a fresh season....
Medical and criminal dramas are ruining the airwaves... er, I guess cable is a wave-guide.... anyway...
I caught an ep. of Sapranos last week, fuck this, fuck that, woman called and said you fcked her and her sister.... man, we didn't cuss that bad in the infantry....
I am watching the quality programming of The Weather Channel....
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ritten: Shik, I see you made the grand, congrats...
I've watched one ep. of Firefly, then didn't even tape it...
I liked Farscape... I got in to SG1, after catching a few reruns then starting a fresh season....
Medical and criminal dramas are ruining the airwaves... er, I guess cable is a wave-guide.... anyway...
I caught an ep. of Sapranos last week, fuck this, fuck that, woman called and said you fcked her and her sister.... man, we didn't cuss that bad in the infantry....
I am watching the quality programming of The Weather Channel....
Well, then, I guess your tastes can beat up my tastes.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Excessive cussing is only entertaining on The Osbournes. Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Three grand. It was 30%.
Just saw the "real" pilot, the 2-hour one that introduced Simon, River, & Shepherd Book. Nice to see Mark Allan Shepard on there He plays asshole REALLY well, even looks the part. I guess all those years of playing Morn has helped with emotiveness.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
I don't know why I chose Voyager as a comparative example of varying styles of season finales. . . It was just the first that dropped into my head. How about, more of a "Rising Star" than a "Z'Ha'Dum?" Or, shit, whatever the 2nd-season finale was called, I can't remember right now.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Something to do with "Darkness" I think. Or "Night".
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
"The Fall of Night."
And Vogon, I was really joking about comparing B5 to Voyager. I got your point. Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
quote:Originally posted by deadcujo: I honestly didn't enjoy the two episodes of FireFly I watched. I knew it would be cancelled when I first heard about it. May it rest in peace with Dark Angel.
Dark Angel has been cancelled? We're still in the first season over here in the UK . . . it's . . . OK . . . I guess - a tad better than that crap otherwise known as "Alias" - Jeez!
What is FireFly anyway? Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
I happen to enjoy Alias whenever I can catch it, which is unfortunately fairly infrequently at uni.
I thought the first season of Dark Angel was a bit hit-and-miss (it got quite good in the last few episodes, though, with Nana Visitor). The second season, was, erm, pretty shit. Even the heavily-billed 90 minute finale (written by no less than the team of Behr & Echevarria) was painful. Jessica Alba remained hot throughout.
And I don't believe the Mark A. Sheppard in Firefly == Mark Allan Sheppard in DS9.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Who else saw that 2-hour original pilot that was the last episode? I thought it was great. Good introduction to the crew and the ship. Good introduction to the Firefly universe. Good action, and they set up a lot of the successive story arcs. I really wish that they had shown this one as the original pilot. I think I would have been far more interested in the series had this been the first thing I saw. As it was I thought the episode we saw, 'The Train Job', didn't introduce the characters very well. It had some cool action sequences and a terrific ending, but I found it very disappointing as a pilot. I don't know what FOX was smoking when they decided the 'Serenity' pilot wasn't good enough.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: I don't know what FOX was smoking when they decided the 'Serenity' pilot wasn't good enough.
The same stuff they were smoking when they decided to cancel the whole damn series, probably.
I saw "Serenity" -- it wasn't an extraordinary pilot as far as the action goes, but the characters were all incredible... I can't see why there might have been a problem with this episode. It even had the eye-catching Action Sequence Intro scene to kick the series off...
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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
I agree it is a good series - it could be great if they would just conn the ship out of the Western-motif cluster and into some varied worlds.
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