This is such a wholly bad & wrong idea.
Posted by Styrofoaman (Member # 706) on :
Please. Make it stop. Ow.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I had heard about this awhile ago and was wondering if it was ever actually going ot be made. From the title, I'm guessing that the movie will try to explain where Immortals come from and why they're Immortals. It will almost certainly ignore the second movie and its alien explanation (though, I suppose the second movie has already been completely ignored).
If I'm right... this is a bad idea indeed. It will almost certainly ruin everything.
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
Not that there is much left to ruin anyway. B)
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
This Highlander movie has been in the rumor mill so often that I really don't trust IMDB's "reporting" of it.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Damn, that horse has been beaten so much that there ain't nothing left but a bloody pulp.
Posted by CaptainMike.jpg (Member # 709) on :
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
BLECCCCCCH!!!!!! Not a picture of a beating a REAL dead horse. Captain Mike shame on you!
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
In defense of "Highlander", however, (as I am an unabashed fan of most of The Series), if they could bring in some of the Series writers - David Abrowitz (I know I spelled that wrong), perhaps, then they could do a story which actually appealed to people - instead they rely on flashy swordfights and naked chicks, certainly nothing wrong with either of those, but they won't hold a movie up without the benefit of a story.
Or a big bra.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I hereby declare myself Flare's resident Highlander nut. Challenges may be forwarded to various slashfic writers whom I don't regularly associate with.
Anyway, I've speculated that this "Source" that will explain where Immortals come from will never be found in the movie. The DVD set was trying to seed the fandom with rumours of the "Source" in the mini-commentaries. Regardless, they'll just leave it open to interpretation, but probably leave it a mystery when it's done. As this thread has proven, no one wants to know - instead, it'll be one of those movies that follow the old "it's about the journey, not the destination" cliche. Sorta like Voyager, but with more sword fighting.
Also, as with everything in the IMDB I wouldn't count on the casting, or anything else for that matter. Last I heard, it was going to be a new ensemble cast of about four good Immortals and an equal number of baddies. None of the old cast would be involved - and I certainly don't mind losing Duncan. Methos can stay.
Mark
[ July 18, 2003, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:I hereby declare myself Flare's resident Highlander nut. Challenges may be forwarded to various slashfic writers whom I don't regularly associate with.
I hate to inform you of this, but that title is MINE, and has been for some time.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Obviously this debate can only be solved by a duel to the death, preferably a beheading.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I cannot think of something that people shouldn't argue over being the master of more than Highlander. Maybe Anal Rape. Maybe that.
Or, Urkel Trivia.
The Ouvre of Dustin Diamond?
Not quite.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
You're just mad 'cuz your title of "Flare Resident Asshole" is being threatened!
Posted by ZARDOZ (Member # 1064) on :
I thought the second movie pretty much explained where the "Immortals" came from. I felt it was a little far out, but 1 and 2 had the same creative folks in charge, right? So...For better or worse the alien planet (what was the name?) should be the "official" story.
I haven't seen Highlander 2 in years, but I liked it OK, but then I like anything with Virginia Madsen in it!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Gross, gross, GROSS.
Mark
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
*bludgeon's ZARDOZ with a copy of "Highlander 2: Renegade Edition"*
Man, I have NEVER, EVER watched ANYTHING to do with Highlander. Not one movie, not one episode, nothing. But even _I_ know that THERE IS NO HIGHLANDER 2.
*hangs up four Highlander movie posters*
How many movie posters do you see?
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mucus: Obviously this debate can only be solved by a duel to the death, preferably a beheading.
10 quatloos on Mark.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Oh, gosh, Rob's given his blessing to Mark. Well, I guess it's all over, then. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
BECAUSE THIS THREAD=100% MAXIMUM SERIOUSNESS AND IMPORTANCE!!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, I am the one, after all. Connor Macleod, Annakin Skywalker, Neo, and Mark Nguyen. Hell, it even rhymes.
Mark
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, I am the one, after all. Connor Macleod, Annakin Skywalker, Neo, and Mark Nguyen. Hell, it even rhymes.
Mark
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
You are the One who posts Twice, while I am the One who posts about deer.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, buh.
Fine, then. Tell us the story of how Methos became a regular on the show.
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
He renegotiated his contract?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Blowjobs. It's always about the blowjob.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
It's a trick question. Methos is a character, therefore, the reason he became a regular is that the writers started putting him in more episodes
But I know you're talking about Peter Wingfield. So, are you talking about:
a) His numerous appearances in later seasons after what was originally intended to be a one-shot deal with Season III's "Methos"?
b) Finally getting his name on the opening credits in Season VI, along with Elizabeth Gracen?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Yeah, like having your name in the opening credits of THAT show meant anything.
Tell that to Alexandra Vandernoot, Philip Akin, Lisa Howard, & Amanda Wyss.
And since when did Amanda have a last name? And a French one at that?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Amanda got a last name in the first episode she was in, "The Lady & The Tiger" if I recall correctly. And since she was French, it makes sense.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
She's not French, per "Double Eagle". All that stuff in "Legacy" was supposedly in England somewhere. Her last names were Darrieux, LeFauve, or Montrose, depending on who you ask.
Kit O'Brady: You thieving French whore! Amanda: I told you I'm not French!
As for the previous question, I'm looking for the non-credits answer.
Mark
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I tend to place more belief in the "she was bit by Rob's anti-French hysteria" theory, with the assumption that Rebecca's cloister was the same one she trained students in (which I believe was established in "Legacy"), since I really don't see:
a) Amanda slipping out of the barge, flying to England, and meeting Luther at Rebecca's cloister, only to have Duncan interupt them a few minutes later ... (this, plus other evidence in "Legacy" supports Rebecca's cloister being on the outskirts of Paris).
b) Amanda being "killed" for the first time in England, being transported to France, and "reviving" in Rebecca's cloister. This would be a trip of some time, especially in the time period, and it's unlikely that Amanda would not have revived sooner.
So, I believe she was lying in "Double Eagle" for whatever reason. Of course, there's the possibility she was Belgian or something and just wandered into Paris, or perhaps her parents adopted her on the way into France and she considers herself Hungarian ...
As I understand it, the reason that Wingfield returned (actually, I guess I should say post-"Finale" since that episode was no doubt written and possibly filmed long before "Methos" aired) was his sex appeal & popularity among the fans, and for the character to act as sort of a "twisted" version of Darius, a mentor or sorts.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Amanda's lousy cockney accent (and basically every character IN that flashback) tends to say otherwise. Plus, the Watcher's Chronicle CD says that she's empathically NOT French.
Personally, I don't see why she wouldn't hop a plane (or ferry, or whatever) for a quick trip to England. Macleod did exactly that in "The Samurai", going all the way to evergreen-infestd Japan to face a guy, and to Hollywood in "Haunted" for the same reason. Both were done in the space of a commercial break or less.
Mark
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
You know it's not uncommon for people in England to have French surnames, the channel isn't very wide and there's the little matter of the Norman invasion.
I can track my family history back about 900 years (more or less) and yet I have a Swedish surname, at least I'm told it's Swedish.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
You know it's not uncommon for people in England to have French surnames, the channel isn't very wide and there's the little matter of the Norman invasion.
I can track my family history back about 900 years (more or less) and yet I have a Swedish surname, at least I'm told it's Swedish.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Amanda's lousy cockney accent (and basically every character IN that flashback) tends to say otherwise. Plus, the Watcher's Chronicle CD says that she's empathically NOT French.
If we're going on accents, does that mean Robin of Locksley was really American?
C'mon, she's over a thousand years old. Why would she have the same accent she started out with? Look at Duncan - he's only 400 years old, and you only hear that Scottish brogue when he's really pissed (or in a flashback).
quote:Personally, I don't see why she wouldn't hop a plane (or ferry, or whatever) for a quick trip to England. Macleod did exactly that in "The Samurai", going all the way to evergreen-infestd Japan to face a guy, and to Hollywood in "Haunted" for the same reason. Both were done in the space of a commercial break or less.
Indeed, but there is more evidence that the cloister was in France than just what I've said. If the cloister was in England, why was Rebecca buried in France? She's in the same cemetary that Tessa is buried in, and that MacLeod killed Horton in (or just outside of, I guess).
All the evidence in the episode points to the cloister being in France. And if you'll keep in mind all the time the action goes from the barge, to Paris, to the cloister, to Luther's hideout, to dead Immortal's houses, to Paris cemetaries, the idea that they're all running back and forth between Paris and England is just a bit *much*.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
quote:Indeed, but there is more evidence that the cloister was in France than just what I've said. If the cloister was in England, why was Rebecca buried in France? She's in the same cemetary that Tessa is buried in, and that MacLeod killed Horton in (or just outside of, I guess).
So? She could simply be living in France NOW with that Scottish guy. Why not be buried here? And just 'cuz the same cemetary is used doesn't necessarily mean that it's MEANT to be the same cemetary. I mean, if you have to believe that, then you also have to believe things like the hotel that Duncan fought Axel in just *happens* to look like the palace where he met Kamir, except with drapes hanging everywhere. It's easy to rationalize stuff on a low-budget show.
Mark
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Mark,
I don't believe they were shuttling over to England and back again between ever commercial break and scene change in "Legacy." For one thing, it doesn't make sense: Luther wants the remaining crystal, and so while Amanda's on the continent, he's jaunting around jolly old England? I think not. And if he WAS, why would Amanda and MacLeod go back to the Barge after a London funeral? Yeah, yeah, we don't see the funeral proper, but MacLeod learns about Luther in the cemetary - both from Robert & by sensing Luther - so why would he go back to Paris, unless they were already IN Paris to begin with?
I think the simplest explanation is the most probable: Rebecca's cloister was located in or near Paris, and Amanda suffered her first death in Paris, even if she may not have been native to France.
Posted by ZARDOZ (Member # 1064) on :
quote:Originally posted by Omega: *bludgeon's ZARDOZ with a copy of "Highlander 2: Renegade Edition"*
Man, I have NEVER, EVER watched ANYTHING to do with Highlander. Not one movie, not one episode, nothing. But even _I_ know that THERE IS NO HIGHLANDER 2.
*hangs up four Highlander movie posters*
How many movie posters do you see?
So.. this copy of Highlander 2 you want to whack me with does not exsist?
According to my movie guide, the Highlander series is as follows;
Highlander, 1986 Highlander 2: The Quickening , 1991, aka DVD directors cut; Highlander 2: Renegade Version. Highlander: The Final Dimension, 1994 Highlander: The Gathering,1992, this seems to be stuff from the TV show, Never seen it.
So thats 3 movies and some re-edited TV shows.
Not that I give a shit!
So what was the name of that alien planet in Highlander 2 anyway?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Highlander: The Gathering,1992, this seems to be stuff from the TV show, Never seen it.
This was the pilot episode of the Series, and another first season episode, "combined" into two hours ... since the episodes had nothing to do with each other, it didn't make a lot of sense.
Your guide does leave out "Highlander: Endgame."
Posted by ZARDOZ (Member # 1064) on :
You're right, my movie guide is 3 years old. I just saw some stuff on a website about Endgame, have not seen it. As for making sense, I never felt that was a strong point of the Highlander films anyhow!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I don't recall what Highlander 3 - the one released in 1994 - was subtitled when I saw it, but it wasn't "The Final Dimension."
The planet was named Zeist, I believe. Or, as Connery would have it, "Zhheisht!"
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
In most places other than America, Highlander 3 was subtitled "The Sorcerer" ... (one might speculate that the American subtitle was "The Philosopher", however, a sorcerer is not the same thing as a philosopher (despite what Americans might believe), and more to the point, there is a sorcerer in the film, while there is no 'Final Dimension' anywhere to be seen ...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I never understood Highlander 3. Basically, it follows after the original movie... Conner is the only immortal left, he has settled into a nice life with his antique store and his adopted son, then suddenly this cave is opened and a whole bunch of Immortals are let out. So it turns out that Connor *wasn't* the last Immortal on Earth... The baddie even says something along the lines of "You only thought you'd won the prize".
Now you throw the series into the mix: During this time, presumably, Duncan and all the scads of Immortals he's run into are trapsing around the planet as well.
It seems like every time they make a movie, they make it with the thought that it's the only one. The only two elements of the franchise that go together anymore are the series and Endgame. I guess you could say that the first movie and the third movie go together, but not with anything else. Same with the first and second movies. The first movie *might* fit in with the series and Endgame if we can somehoe rationalize the fact that Connor thought he was the last Immortal after the first movie.
The death of the Kurgon was even mentioned very briefly in an episode of the series, IIRC.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Now you throw the series into the mix: During this time, presumably, Duncan and all the scads of Immortals he's run into are trapsing around the planet as well.
Highlander 3 picked up directly from Highlander, ignored Highlander 2 and The Series. In my opinion, ignoring The Series was silly - why wouldn't you try and link them together? Or if not that, why would you go around saying "Hey, it's only Connor and Mario van Peeples" and completely alienate the fans of the Series.
quote:It seems like every time they make a movie, they make it with the thought that it's the only one. The only two elements of the franchise that go together anymore are the series and Endgame. I guess you could say that the first movie and the third movie go together, but not with nothing else. Same with the first and second movies. The first movie *might* fit in with the series and Endgame if we can somehoe rationalize the fact that Connor thought he was the last Immortal after the first movie.
Here is how to rationalize the first movie with the Series. The events of the first movie HAPPENED exactly as seen, except, of course, that it was simply the culling of all the Immortals in the New York City region. A "mini-Gathering" of sorts. Connor didn't win the prize, but he did kill Fasil & Kurgan.
quote:The death of the Kurgon was even mentioned very briefly in an episode of the series, IIRC.
In the episode "The Watchers", the 2nd season premier which introduced 'The Watchers' and was a sequel to the 1st season finale, 'The Hunters' which introduced the renegade branch that liked to kill Immortals. Joe Dawson is showing MacLeod his computer records - Kurgan is listed as being killed in NYC in 1986, and Joe attributes the kill to Connor. I do believe, however, that the Kurgan's birthdate isn't correct - it's more recent than it should be.
Both Kurgan and Ramirez were mentioned in the flashback in "End of Innocence", when Duncan is journying with Immortal Graham Ashe, who claims to be Ramirez' teacher. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmm... ok... I can accept the mini Gathering. Maybe just an unusally large number of Immortals had been hanging around New York and it felt odd to them. All that Quickening floating about and such.
But you're right... ignoring the series was stupid. If the series was running at the time, and especially seeing as Conner was IN THE FIRST EPISODE... why not tie the two together then instead of waiting for Endgame?
However, I believe we've discussed before, that Endgame pretty much throws a kink in the timeline of 1, 3, and the series. I don't remember the details, but somehow Conner going to Sanctuary when it's said he did in the film messes with other events from other movies and flashbacks.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Hmmm... ok... I can accept the mini Gathering. Maybe just an unusally large number of Immortals had been hanging around New York and it felt odd to them. All that Quickening floating about and such.
I think that's the general idea. Of course, NYC certainly had a small population of Immortals compared to Paris or Seacouver. But the theory goes that when such a large number of Immortals are in such an relatively small area, there's a bit of "blood lust" (which probably explains why Duncan has plenty of opportunities to take a head).
quote:But you're right... ignoring the series was stupid. If the series was running at the time, and especially seeing as Conner was IN THE FIRST EPISODE... why not tie the two together then instead of waiting for Endgame?
Yes! Especially since ignoring the Series meant that when they did Endgame they could ignore Final Dimension/Sorcerer ... it's all one big ugly loop.
quote:However, I believe we've discussed before, that Endgame pretty much throws a kink in the timeline of 1, 3, and the series. I don't remember the details, but somehow Conner going to Sanctuary when it's said he did in the film messes with other events from other movies and flashbacks.
It messes with the third film, but with the exception of Duncan being married, Endgame really doesn't effect the Series timeline too much. If we assume that Connor went to Sanctuary shortly after "The Gathering" (the Series premier episode), everything more or less works out. IIRC, in "The Mountain Men" (a few episodes later), Duncan returns from a trip to New York early in the episode. This could be where the NYC flashback in "Endgame" is. Of course, he looks a bit cheery in the episode considering his clansman has vanished off the face of the earth ...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Stoopid work.
1) Okay, I can accept the abbey thing being in France after all. But I still think they *meant* it to be in England, and that they just screwed it up in production. Wouldn't be the first time (Kalas' hideout, anyone?).
2) I do believe that Duncan mentioned that he was in Paris at the time Connor phoned him. He could have visited any time in early 1993, before Darius died. Not the best spring for the guy.
3) Lots of people like to think that Highlanders II and III were what Connor was dreaming while in the Sanctuary.
4) Well, with Duncan spending half a year in Seacouver and Paris, there's time for evil Immortals to move in in time for him to depopulate the city when he comes back.
5) I wouldn't call Kate a "marriage", given they were married less than a day when he did the thing with the knife. The writers are actually on record as saying they don't believe Duncan really considered it a marriage, thus (generally) preserving the continuity.
6) The Watcher's chronicle in "The Watchers" lists the Kurgan being born not too long before Connor - I think it was 1453 or thereabouts. The novel suggests his actual age at around 3000, right up there with Cassandra, Ramirez, Ashe, and probably at some of the Horsemen.
Check out this timeline.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:1) Okay, I can accept the abbey thing being in France after all. But I still think they *meant* it to be in England, and that they just screwed it up in production. Wouldn't be the first time (Kalas' hideout, anyone?).
What was wrong with Kalas' hideout? We're talking about the dungeon, right?
quote:3) Lots of people like to think that Highlanders II and III were what Connor was dreaming while in the Sanctuary.
Connor must've been taking some 'shrooms
quote:5) I wouldn't call Kate a "marriage", given they were married less than a day when he did the thing with the knife. The writers are actually on record as saying they don't believe Duncan really considered it a marriage, thus (generally) preserving the continuity.
If they hadn't consumated, it wouldn't have been a legal marriage. So maybe they just both passed out after the big sha-bang, and he woke up first?
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Highlander!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Amanda escapes from Kalas' place at the end of Finale Part I. Then everyone spends about all of Part II looking for the damn place. The producers admitted they made a gaffe, and forgot to change the location of Kalas' basement after Amanda's stunt double busts up the joint.
Mark
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Pshft. I think Amanda wanted Kalas to release the CD so she and Duncan could run off to some remote South Pacific island and she could have his libido whenever she wanted it.
Also - it seems The Source actually IS in the works, although Adrian Paul hasn't committed to it yet. It may indeed be a prequel.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
quote:Originally posted by Malnurtured Snay: Pshft. I think Amanda wanted Kalas to release the CD so she and Duncan could run off to some remote South Pacific island and she could have his libido whenever she wanted it.
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Captain Mike shame on you!
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Plus, the Watcher's Chronicle CD says that she's empathically NOT French. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)