Hey I was wondering who in this forum is a Wing Commander fan? And what did you think of that sucky movie they made that screwed the franchise up (or whats left of it)
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
*raises paw*
And yes, the movie sucked. As did Prophecy. It all went downhill when Roberts left Origin to pursue his own goals.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Listen to me very carefully.
There. Was. NO. Wing Commander movie.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Roberts quite obviouslly wanted to make movies, not games though.
Which reminds me, exactly how much of his input has Freelancer actually ended up with? Is he even credited?
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
do you not remember that movie called "Wing Commander" with Freddie prinz Jr. and that chick from deep blue sea?
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
How many lights do you see?
Freelancer became a completely different game than Roberts had envisioned, because Microsoft more or less forced DA to cut corners and get it out the door before the turn of the 22nd century... so yeah, he's credited, in an Alan Smithee sort of way...
*is still fuming over the cancellation of Into the Fire*
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
If your talking about me I see 4. In my last reply I was talking 2 Omega not Psy. My post and his are a second apart
Thanks for all the feedback all!
Blair
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Dammit, WC sucks ass FS all the way!!!!
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
"If your talking about me I see 4."
Hmm. That's strange. I see five.
Posted by djewell (Member # 1111) on :
Mr. Magnus? The optrician will see you now.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Blair, you've gotta get a sense of humor.
*frog-disecting mode*
My post was intended to evoke the impression that the Wing Commander movie was such a traumatic experience for me that I refused to acknowledge its existence. Cartmaniac's post was a reference to Chain of Command. "There are five lights behind me. How many lights do you see?" "THERE! ARE! FOUR! LIGHTS!" *ZZZZZZZTTT* And so forth.
There, now that all the humor has been sucked out of this thread, thankyouverymuch...
WC sucks ass
Does not. The RECENT WC sucks ass. The first, oh, five games were really cool. I'd love to see Armada redone with a touch more flexibility.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I can kind of go with Microsoft on that decision. Freelancer was already 7 thousand years late. Any later and they'd have gotten to the "we're finished, but now we need to spend another two years redoing the graphics so that the game doesn't look like shit, comparatively" stage.
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
Sorry Omega didn't get it there you'd think at 13 youd have a sense of humor already right? Nope, years of being teased bout Star Trek makes everyone seem like stalin LOL
any way Omega is right. Prophecy is a whole load of crap from the get go. I beat the entire game in a day on the nightmare level (the highest one). Wish they did a WC where you can be a Kilrathi Pilot....
Blair
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
Sry 4 the double post but I thought Prophecy was the fifth game? Wing Commander Armada...
Was it as good as III?
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I have Freelancer. And I'm only disapointed with the freelance non-story line missions, shoot this, capture him, blow this up. thats it, the storyline in the game is good, the graphics are good, and the combat isn't too shabby, i've played better, I've played worse, if they spent more time refining the smaller missions than that'd really make the game better in my eyes.
As for Wing Commander, I used to play the original on the Commodore 64, and i loved it, i also played WIng Commander IV, but didn't like it as much.
As for the movie: I wish i hadn't seen it. they bloody slaughtered the whole thing.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I thought Prophecy was the fifth game
It was the fifth game in the main storyline, not counting add-on packs as new games. WC1 and WC2 were released. Then WC:Academy, which was basically a crappy little limited mission generator using the WC2 engine. It's pretty well obsolite now that there's a WC2 mission editor. WC: Privateer rocked to no end, but won't run in XP no matter what you do. Same with Armada, which uses the same memory manager, JEMM. Armada was a turn-based strategy game, released before WC3. You have a carrier, the other guys have a carrier, you move your carrier from planet to planet mining resources, building fighters, stuff like that. Ultimately, your objective was to attack the undefended enemy carrier with bombers, and thereby destroy it. You could fly a fighter in combat yourself, or just let the computer handle things. The only multiplayer WC game. It also seemed to be the first to use a real 3-D engine, and the first to be released exclusively on CD-ROM. The idea was good, but it's been better executed in games like, oh, "Star Wars Rebellion". The jump lane concept was kinda unique in my experience with such games, but it needed more flexibility. The ability to build more capships, bigger sectors, better victory conditions, something more... Homeworldesque in options, if not in actual gameplay.
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
Wow, all I knew of were I, II, III (my fav.),IV, and Prophecy.
I have the first one but everything is a blur cause the game is running 2 fast and I can barely read the subtitles. I tried playing with it but trhe only kill I got was when I crashed into one
IV and Prophecy sucked
Blair
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
WC: Privateer rocked to no end, but won't run in XP no matter what you do
Oh, it will, just not unassisted. The XP unit has a bad motivator, or something. Privateer (like most pre-'95 titles) only works through DOSBox i/c/w/ VDMSound, but be warned... it hasn't stood the test of time as well as, say, TIE Fighter.
The idea was good, but it's been better executed in games like, oh, "Star Wars Rebellion"
"Better" as in "Rebellion was still utter shite, but at least it had a sound concept buried somewhere deep underneath all that dung", anyway.
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I have the first one but everything is a blur cause the game is running 2 fast and I can barely read the subtitles.
There's a site out there called "Home of the Underdogs", don't have a link handy at the moment, but it has download links to abandonware. If you can't buy it legally any more, and it's not freaking huge, odds are you can find it on that site. They have the Kilrathi Saga versions of WC1 and WC2 up, which work in XP at a usable speed. They also have Freespace 2, which is infinitely superior to, like, everything.
(Before anyone asks, no, I have no problem with downloading software like that even if it's in contravention of the copyright. I'd buy it if I could, but I can't. The creators lose nothing, because I CAN'T pay 'em for it.)
Privateer (like most pre-'95 titles) only works through DOSBox i/c/w/ VDMSound
Emulators don't count.
"Better" as in "Rebellion was still utter shite, but at least it had a sound concept buried somewhere deep underneath all that dung", anyway.
Exactly. Armada, Birth of the Federation, Rebellion... all such good concepts that failed so miserably...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I wouldn't have said that "Birth of the Federation" failed miserably. Sure, it has lots of flaws, but it's MOO-based gameplay is infinetly superior to Rebellion (Or Supremacy, as it was called over here for no apparent reason, other than, I suppose, the fact that you could be the Rebellion OR the Empire).
Supremacy did have the plus point that the bloke who does Professor Utonium is doing the voice of Threepio. So that's good.
And I agree with you about downloading abandonware, but, er, Freespace II is a bit recent, isn't it? Plus it's not that hard to find online, legally, to buy. Besides, the poor sales are what have made it unlikely there will be a sequel, so anyone who copies it is very, very evil. Very.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Actually, it's NOT that easy to find a copy. You can get 'em off eBay occasionally, but a copy that's not just the CD can cost a hundred dollars or more. Further the EULA apparently says you can make copies, and the source is now public domain. Odd, ain't it?
Under any circumstances, making a copy of FS2 isn't going to hurt Volition NOW. If they don't make any more, they can't make profit off the game no matter what I do.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"Further the EULA apparently says you can make copies"
Which obviously = "Make lots of copies and then give them away"
You'll jump through these logical legal loops, but you won't say, "Y'know, maybe the bible was a bit OTT about gays after all."
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I found it online for $64, but I admit to only looking for 5 minutes.
I don't care too much anyway, since I have a copy. In a box. With all the paraphenalia. For �20 from Game. I rule.
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
I don't exactly own Freespace1 or 2 but I played it. I dunno whether it's my love for FPS or something but I personally didn't like it...
(plz don't hurt me...)
Blair
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
You're thirteen. We won't hold it against you. Yet.
"Sure, it has lots of flaws, but it's MOO-based gameplay is infinetly superior to Rebellion..."
But infinitely inferior to that of MOO itself. MOO(2) is the second best 4X in the world, after SE(4), which is the first best 4X, and MOO(2) is the second best 4X, not as good as the first best 4X, but still better than the third best 4X, because MOO(2) is the second best 4X, and the only 4X better than MOO(2) is SE(4), which is the first best 4X, although MOO(2) is better than all other 4Xs, except SE(4), which rules the 4X genre.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Stop saying 4X, or you'll force me to ask you what on earth it actually means.
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
XXXX.
Har. Har.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Never played MOO2, actually. Should. What's SE? And Alpha Centauri should probably be on that list somewhere...
Posted by leuckinc (Member # 729) on :
Oh! Talk about Freespace! Oh yea!
Wait thats it? Im going back into my hole....
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
SE stands for Space Empires, one of the oldest 4X families. The first three games ranged from "bleh" to "so-so" to "MOO contender", but the fourth is, well, really really really good. What's special about SE4 though, is how customizable it is. You can mess with game parameters, alter the rules, import scenarios, create ST or SW total conversions with new races and ships, replace menu fonts and UI graphics, EVERYTHING. SE4 is a 4X sandbox. B)
And I would have snuck AC and Civ into my MJ impression, if the forum had allowed that long a message to be posted. But it didn't. So there.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm warning you about the 4X thing. You're just making me want to go and drink a fairly rubbish beer.
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
[Kosh] Good. [/Kosh]
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
The only WC game I've played through is WCIV. I loved the cutscenes, I was actively engaged in the plot. When standing in the mess hall I felt I belonged there, felt so part of it. I was moved by the plot twists, the humor between Pilots and Marines, I was sad about Vagabond's demise. The weapons loadout was great too, I really felt I made good choices and primed my fighter.
"Tachyon: The Fringe" is another game where outfitting your fighter really gives the game an RPG-feel of accomplishment. My drawing a 50'000 credit jackpot in New Vegas didn't hurt my Ship Budget either. Didn't stop smiling for minutes. :-)
Anyway, the whole WCIV-experience was awesome. Then I searched out WCIII (Vintage Game of the Year edition), didn't even get to 30% of it. It felt so much harder, some of the missions had extremely unfair odds and timeframes, the quality of the game engine and graphics was understandably poorer, it tired me to the point of not wanting to pick up where I left off.
Prophecy just didn't draw me at all. Bad timing for me, perhaps. I was all up in Quake II at the time, I think. *sigh* Oh, the years gone by.
About the movie "Wing Commander", I liked the design of the capital ships, and the Kilrathi Fighter. There's something about asymmetrical that they got right, in the games also.
The human ships looked like flying trashcans, what the hell were they thinking? Grumman F6F HellCat built by six-year olds, only using parts from their treehouse and grandpa's broken tractor. *ka-snort*
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
Kewl Nim. Personally, WC4 sucked. I didn't play it often just because it was to hard. On the Confed side, you only got to pick Hellcats and Longbows. I really like Hellcats but they could of used the Excalibur too (flying in a HUD mode was giving me a headache too. Into WC3 too much)
Oh I killed off Vagabond in WC3. When he came back in WC4 I though he pulled of a spock of some sorts..
For some strange unknown reason, I agree with you about the movies Kilrathi fighters. In a sense they were pretty kewl, much like the Dralthi in the first WC IMO. The movie sucked because the whole "Pilgrims" idea to Blair was giving me a headache, Maniac wasn't fat enough and that big ol' Gatling gun and square wings was not a very appealing look for those Rapiers (although I did like those Raptors). IMHO it would have been kewl if they used the original design of the Rapier minus the big laser cannons.
To me prophecy really sucked because it was too damn easy. Like I mentioned before Nightmare is prophecys hardest level and I beat it withen the day. But what really sucked the most, is they killed of Blair! F*** I was pissed when they did that. For a while, I thought that Casey was going to do this Rachel and Stilleto choice thing like in WC3 (Rachel VS Flint Prize: Blair). They didnt which was a relief.
Well thats my 2 cents
Blair
Posted by EvilTree (Member # 1027) on :
I played WC III and IV more for the plot than actually blowing shit up experience. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a some sort of direct translation into movie of WC 1-4. (Well, you'd have to somehow de-age Mark Hamill and rest of the lot)
I also wouldn't mind seeing a new version of Armada. I like the fact that you can play as Kilrathi. Is it me or did the front of Jrathek looked like Batmobile? Actually, maybe Armada remade into something like Imperial Galactica II?
Who said you can only fly Longbows and Hellcats in WC4? You get to fly plenty of stuff, like Vindicator, Avenger, Dragon and I think another version of Arrow. Though Stormfire mk1 was too powerful.
So many games which can be turned into an excellent game. I'd pay good money to play BOTF 2 or SW: Rebellion 2.
That ends my little rant.
PS: Saffron Burrows is damn hot. PPS: Thanks for reminding me of the piece of junk called WC, the movie Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
WC III and IV were too hard? Am I living in a parallel universe, or is this what growing up with FAQs and cheats does to a country.
Your walkthrough's have made you all weak!
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"For a while, I thought that Casey was going to do this Rachel and Stilleto choice..."
You are a disturbed individual.
Posted by EvilTree (Member # 1027) on :
Man, no offence but Rachel looked like too much of a MILF/cougar for my liking.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Ya know, One game that hasn't recieved many good reviews, or hasn't gotten much attention, yet IMO is still a good space combat game, is Starlancer. I've played it through a couple times, and there are some really hard/damn near impossible parts, but that just made me happier when I finally got past them. Oh well.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
I've seen bits and pieces of the WC movie - enough to stear me clear.
As for the versions that I've played: I, III and IV - that's it. Never knew about II until I'd got III and then it was too late to get a copy. Never managed to get a copy of the others either.
WCI! Back in those days I had a 386 with 1MB of ram and a 40MB hard drive with PC speakers! Sure brings back some memories! Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I liked the Wing Commander movie.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
What was that, Midget Boy?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I liked the Wing Commander movie.
That better, Cartman? Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
It had an enjoyable soundtrack.
Posted by Capt.Blair245 (Member # 1113) on :
By only you could fly Longbows and Hellcats, I meant on the Confed side the other one was really kewl I must add.
What I mean about the Racheal Stilleto choice was that in WC3 Blair did the same thing with Rachel and This other character called Flint. Disturbed? maybe... Imaginative? yep.
PS WC3 was hard up to he dreadnought part. That thing blew the living shit outta me...
Blair
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I played that free game Wing Commander: Secret Ops for hours and hours. It was free.
I imagined that my character and Stiletto were romantically involved and I masturbated feverishly.
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do you not remember that movie called "Wing Commander" with Freddie prinz Jr. and that chick from deep blue sea?
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