Who's your personal favorite character/s from the Matrix films so far (and also the 9 animated Matrix shorts, if any have been seen) and please give your reason/s why.
Posted by ZARDOZ (Member # 1064) on :
It would have to be Trinity, I always like the true believers, I think she will be a key player in the next movie.
Plus, she looks great in the leather outfits
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
Ghost
just a total baddass
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Joe Pantoliano.
Uh, whatever his character's name was.
Cypher. Cipher.
Because he was the least abysmal actor in the series.
And, Joey Pants.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The blonde in the red dress.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Smith. It's the smell.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I picked up Reloaded on DVD this weekend, so I've got Matrix on the brain.
Trinity is very cool. She's balsy but stil has that touchable side.
The black captain at the meeting with the goatee who agrees to stay in the Matrix while the Neb recharges (is it Ballard?) is also way cool. Course he probably got blown to bits after Bane betrayed the ship. He's in the game, though, too isn't he?
After watching the film again though, Serif is the one I'm digging. He's just too cool. And he pronouces "Oracle", "Owicew". How cool is that?
Agent Johnson was pretty good. Much better than Thompson. I don't know the third agent's name.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Smith, because he delivers every line with such self-importance and over-emphasis on every syllable that he makes Morpheus seem like he's on speed.
He's just a great all around bad guy, not one redeeming quality to him. Even when Neo "set him free" he can't accept his newfound power and get over his hatred of Neo, he just has to destroy him.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
I agree, Smith is the only character in the Matrix movies I really like. Well, I've always preferred the bad guys... ;-)
Posted by leuckinc (Member # 729) on :
Me, me, me.
and me!
:-)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, Smith was a little rambling in Reloaded. But that's part of what makes him cool. He just talks like a badass and if you don't understand him, too bad, cause he's still going to stick his hand in your chest and make you his clone.
Though, after watching the DVD twice, I finally understand the Oracle's speech about only seeing past the choices we understand. That whole thing seemed kind of rambling at first, but makes more sense now.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Cool, now can you tell me what the Hell the Architect was blathering on about?
Neo, you are a shitty actor, ergo it was a choice that should have been assiduosly avoided in the casting call, concordantly, the reasons why they cast you are an anomaly inherent to the series which would otherwise achieve perfect mathmatical harmony blah blah blah...
Charlie Brown's teacher was more understandable. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, which part didn't you understand? Some of it is no doubt meant not to be understood until part 3. I undstood most of what he was saying, though I'm not sure I believe it all.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I like the black cat.
Oddly, I also like the head councilman (Admiral Dougherty to you Trek fans). I know he was a previous "The one" that chose to rebuild Zion.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Wouldn't that guy be, like, dead?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Not if you dont subscribe to the old 100 year (or whatever) timeframe between Zion getting wiped out and rebuilt. Watching the councilman's conversation with Neo seems to have lots of pregnant pauses and things left unsaid. The whole "is that whay there's no young people on the council" question from Neo in particular is odd.....and is deftly avoided by the councilman. The council could be the last survivors of the current Zion's founding.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Well, which part didn't you understand? Some of it is no doubt meant not to be understood until part 3. I undstood most of what he was saying, though I'm not sure I believe it all.
I was mostly just kidding.
I understood that Neo was the sixth in line of prior "One's" meant to reinsert the code into the Core Network and rebuild Zion and all that jazz and that the Oracle is meant to be another intuitive program to study Human nature and guide the One towards his destiny which is just another form of control but like you the entire speech struck me as dishonest. Like a last ditch act of desperation to save the machines from the One.
Perhaps Neo made the right choice in ignoring his destiny to go to the Source and in choosing love over the preservation of the Human race. It sounds a bit hokey I know but what movie doesn't have a hokey "love conquers all" theme?
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Not if you dont subscribe to the old 100 year (or whatever) timeframe between Zion getting wiped out and rebuilt. Watching the councilman's conversation with Neo seems to have lots of pregnant pauses and things left unsaid. The whole "is that whay there's no young people on the council" question from Neo in particular is odd.....and is deftly avoided by the councilman. The council could be the last survivors of the current Zion's founding.
Good idea about him being the previous "One". I liked his character and his conversations with Neo as well.
Particularly telling was where he tried to convince Neo that Machines were dependent on man and vice versa. It was almost like he was trying to convince Neo of the choice that needed to be made.
And also his absolute belief in Morpheus and the Prophecy (which it would seem is just established to keep the Humans restarting the Matrix over and over again). The Council as well seemed more intuitive and believing in the Prophecy then most of the youngsters in the fleet.
Edit: Off topic, but have the Machines never heard of nuclear power? The whole premise that they were dependent on Humans for energy was flawed to begin with (but nescessary to the needs of the plot).
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't think the council member is the previous One. Nothing that the Architect says suggests that the One will be part of the next Zion. He just has to choose its members. Plus, the council member said he was asleep for the first 11 years of his life, referring, no doubt, to when his mind was freed by the resistence.
I am, however, wondering if the council, is the group chosen by the previous One. If Morpheus' figure of 100 years is accurate, they couldn't be. Either way, the guy knows more than he lets on.
I also don't think the Architect is lying, per se, but I don't think he's telling Neo the whole story. For instance, that there is in fact a way to beat the system.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Plus, the council member said he was asleep for the first 11 years of his life, referring, no doubt, to when his mind was freed by the resistence."
That, of itself, doesn't mean anything. If Neo had done what the Architect told him to, and if he were a part of Zion, Part VII, he could make a comment to the effect of "I slept for the first x years of my life" also.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aban Rune:
I don't think the council member is the previous One. Nothing that the Architect says suggests that the One will be part of the next Zion. He just has to choose its members. Plus, the council member said he was asleep for the first 11 years of his life, referring, no doubt, to when his mind was freed by the resistence. __________________________________________________
How does that differ from Neo's story though? He was asleep for the first __ number of years of his life (as mentioned in the post above) until he was freed by the resistance as well. __________________________________________________
I am, however, wondering if the council, is the group chosen by the previous One. If Morpheus' figure of 100 years is accurate, they couldn't be. Either way, the guy knows more than he lets on. __________________________________________________
Yeah, that's a possibility. There's so much Morpheus doesn't know and he seems to have been lead on by the Oracle. Whether her prophecies were for good or ill remains to be seen. So the 100 year figure may be meaningless. __________________________________________________
I also don't think the Architect is lying, per se, but I don't think he's telling Neo the whole story. For instance, that there is in fact a way to beat the system. __________________________________________________
This is pure speculation but in the trailer for Revolutions it appears that Neo makes some kind of deal with some central control nexus for the Matrix (it looks like a big talking porcupine ) that if he takes out Smith the Machines will let Zion exist. Now, somehow I doubt the Machines will keep there word on that but who knows? They definately attack Zion but we don't know if that is before, after, or during the time Neo fights Smith.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I'd have to say, that the Twins were my favorite. They kicked ass! Sure, they didn't say much, but actions speak louder than words.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Just seen the trailer for Revolutions (went to see Kill Bill): is it me or is there blue sky behind a shot of one of the human hovercraft crashing? It's towards the end of the trailer and was only a very brief shot.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The Twins are cool. They also have killer fashion sense. I could never really figure out what they are though. I guess they're deleted programs like everyone else associated with the Mirolvingian (I know I butchered that).
"We are getting annoyed." "Yes we are."
I'm guessing that there's a whole other level to this that we don't know about yet.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I do know the "Mirolvingian" tries to have the Oracle killed for some reason, so we're almost sure to see the twins fight.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Did the twins die when Morpheus blew up the SUV, or did it just take them out of action for awhile? We saw them ghostify and they were still alive then... it kind of seems like there's no way to really kill them.
Which brings up the interesting question of, why do bullets kill *any* of the programs, i.e. The Key Maker. When the agents get hit, it's the body they wee inhabiting that gets killed. The Programs aren't tied in any way to human bodies... why do the Matrix bullets hurt them?
I guess they're still tied to the system... and the system says that when they get hit by a bullet, it kills them... but still... that doesn't seem to work either.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:"We are getting annoyed." "Yes we are."
Actually it's aggravated, not annoyed. That's got to be my favourite line out of both Matrix movies.
As for what they and the werewolves (?) programs are about, they might be former agents of a previous Matrix. The architect said that after the first Utopian Matrix failed that he turned to human history as a model. Perhaps in one of the version he based the Matrix on a much earlier time, perhaps the dark ages where he thought that ignorance and superstitions would be a good way to control the minds. In a world like that, spectres, werewolves and the like are the natural forms for the agents of the system. The current ones only look like generic government agents because that is specific to our period in history.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Good point... and yes, it is aggrivated. Which is funnier than annoyed Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: The current ones only look like generic government agents because that is specific to our period in history.
I wonder what agents look like in other countries...
I can't think of any "generic government agent" look for the UK, for instance.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Exactly! You never see them comming. *sinister chord* I think I've been watching 'Spooks' too much.
Actually they probably look like Bailiffs or Inland Revenue agents. Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wraith: Just seen the trailer for Revolutions (went to see Kill Bill): is it me or is there blue sky behind a shot of one of the human hovercraft crashing? It's towards the end of the trailer and was only a very brief shot.
Your not hallucinating. They fly above the clouds to the blue sky.
Have you seen "The Animatrix"? In "Second Rennaissance - Parts 1 & 2" they go into how the Humans "scorched the sky". I had always assumed it was a really severe nuclear winter or something but in the shorts they explain that it was some kind of permanent "dust cloud" (for lack of a better term) that was spread by high flying aircraft.
The Animatrix has got a few really good shorts in it for anyone looking for some backstory on the Matrix.
I think those guys in the Merovingian's house were Vampires, not Wherewolves. At least they were playing a Vampire movie on the TV in the background.
I don't see why that explosion would kill the Twins, I think there still alive. I don't know how you would kill them really. They might be the only opponents Neo couldn't really beat so it would be cool if they faced him in the next movie.
My question is, if Neo is essential to reinserting the code into the Matrix, why do they keep trying to kill him?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
It's simple really. He is The One!
I defiantly got a Werewolf vibe off of those two, what with the bushy brows, silver bullets and apparently low IQs (or rather AIQ I suppose...) They certainly didn't act like the archetypal vampires we've all come to know.
As for what would kill the Twins, I'm pretty sure that Neo could do away with them the way he did with Smith at the end of the first movie. Failing that, give that silver bullets work of those other two (whatever they might be) it's possible that the Twins' weaknesses are similarly tied in to the mythology of their personas. Given that they're Ghosts or Wraiths of some sort, I'm not sure what would work. Maybe three out of work scientists with unlicensed nuclear accelerators on their backs. Or maybe a very short psychic lady with big tinted glasses?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I need to watch the movie again, but, when I watched it the first time, I assumed the "silver bullet" comment was metaphorical, and she wasn't really firing a (computer simulation of a) bullet made out of silver.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Reverend:
I defiantly got a Werewolf vibe off of those two, what with the bushy brows, silver bullets and apparently low IQs (or rather AIQ I suppose...) They certainly didn't act like the archetypal vampires we've all come to know. __________________________________________________
I have to check up on the mythology. I know some Vampire movies use silver to kill Vampires as well as Wherewolves (Blade for example) but I don't know if that is traditionally a weakness for both. There definately was a Vampire movie on the screen though, with a Vampire chick with big teeth. She didn't seem hairy at least. __________________________________________________ As for what would kill the Twins, I'm pretty sure that Neo could do away with them the way he did with Smith at the end of the first movie. __________________________________________________
Yeah, but now Neo knows he can't do that anymore because the fact that he merged with Smith and his code mixed with him as Smith was "destroyed" is what gave Smith his new powers to replicate his program and be free of the Matrix. At least that's what Smith insinuated in the playground before the smackdown. __________________________________________________
Failing that, give that silver bullets work of those other two (whatever they might be) it's possible that the Twins' weaknesses are similarly tied in to the mythology of their personas. Given that they're Ghosts or Wraiths of some sort, I'm not sure what would work. Maybe three out of work scientists with unlicensed nuclear accelerators on their backs. Or maybe a very short psychic lady with big tinted glasses? __________________________________________________
LOL, go to the light Trinity. The light is your friend.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I too need to watch it again, I've heard many people say that the second time a lot of things fall into place that you didn't look for, or were distracted from, the first time around.
I do not believe Anthony Zerbe was the previous prodigy. He's just a trusted leader, chosen for his administrative and unifying skills, most probably.
And cutting down his acting career to "Dougherty" is an atrocity, to be sure. Why I saw him fighting John Wayne with six-shooters before most Neo-Trekkies (a little wordplay there) were born, dagnappit!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Wait - wasn't the whole point of "The One" per resistance mythology supposed to be that Neo was the reincarnation of the previous One? Ergo, the previous guy is dead?
Today is a fine day. I'm getting together with some friends, some alcohol and all the DVD Matrix material - which we're marathoning in chronological order. I'll let you guys know if some enlightenment occurs during this Geekfest.
Mark
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Yes 'The One Mk-5' is indeed dead, Morpheus specifically said so in the first movie.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
"When he died, the Oracle prophesied his return."
Now... it's almost certain that this event happened well before Morpheus' birth and that he's heard about the prophesy from someone else, or from the Oracle. But it would seem to suggest that at least some people from the previous cycle survive with some knowledge of what happened. For instance, they know that there was a One before and that he died.
I don't think the Twins will be in the third movie, as I've not seen them in any of the previews. However, their do seem to be a good number of bondage freak badguys for Trinity and Neo to fight. I watched the trailer on the Reloaded DVD yesterday and you can seen a bunch of guys running around in harnesses and leather masks... kind of freaky.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: Your not hallucinating. They fly above the clouds to the blue sky.
That's always reassuring...
quote: Have you seen "The Animatrix"? In "Second Rennaissance - Parts 1 & 2" they go into how the Humans "scorched the sky". I had always assumed it was a really severe nuclear winter or something but in the shorts they explain that it was some kind of permanent "dust cloud" (for lack of a better term) that was spread by high flying aircraft.
Yep, they repeated the Second Rennaissance (both parts) last night. It does make you wonder why the machines never managed to clear up the whatever it is that humans used to scorch the sky. Or build nuclear reactors. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Now... it's almost certain that this event happened well before Morpheus' birth and that he's heard about the prophesy from someone else, or from the Oracle. But it would seem to suggest that at least some people from the previous cycle survive with some knowledge of what happened. For instance, they know that there was a One before and that he died."
Well, as Neo put it, "the prophecy was a lie". So part of the prophecy was probably "there was a previous One, and he died". Which, technically, is true, but that doesn't mean that anyone remembered it. They need only know of it through the prophecy.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think the only part of the prophecy that was a lie was the fact that the One returning to the Source was a good thing for the Humans or that it would end the war. It wasn't a prophecy so much as it was a built in set of events that was billed as a prophecy so the Humans would go with the flow. There was always going to be a One because it was an inherent anamoly. That event was given as a prophecy so the Humans would help him do what the machines needed him to do.
Apparently, the events of Reloaded have played out in a similar fashion in the previous loops as well. The Merovingian (I found out what that means by the way) makes reference to having survived encounters with Neo's predecessors, and Smith says "It's happening the same as before."
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Do the Agents know the whole truth? I thought they were simply part of the current Matrix and didn't know any more than to clean up the errors and anomalies that cropped up.
Mark
Posted by PMills (Member # 1009) on :
Thanks everyone for the speculation - please stick to the original topic : Who's your favorite Matrix character and why ?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Trinity, because she is sexy and has tight pants and I would like to have it off with her in bullet time and then things would go woooooooooooooooooo!
Like that?
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Or build nuclear reactors."
Who says they didn't? Maybe the machines are just environmentalists with a real knack for exploiting alternate sources of power. B)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
You're right...we've deviated from the topic. Interesting conversation is not for this forum.
Teh twins r kewl... they coud'vekickked Mofeus' A$$$$!!!1111! buthe cheated wif his ninja swrod!!@11 LOL!!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I watched the trailer on the Reloaded DVD yesterday and you can seen a bunch of guys running around in harnesses and leather masks... kind of freaky.
Typical Fort Lauderdale friday night. Nothing I havent survived myself......and I cant even fly!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
They were messing with my Trinity, though. Noone messes with my Trinity.
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