So I'm watching Transformers the Movie loaned by a friend of mine. Just after the battle in Autobot City, where Starscream dumps Megatron and a few other Decepticons out of Astrotrain. These Decepticons then meet up with Unicron who then gives them their new bodies. We all know Megatron becomes Galvatron. However, who becomes the other "converted ones"?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Isn't this the Transformers equivalent of the "how long is the Defiant" debate?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Bombshell, the inscecticon leader becomes Cyclonus, (Kickback got his head crushed by Hot Rod) Shrapnell, Thundercracker and Skywarp and somebody I cant recall became the Sweeps. So, all the bugs either buy the farm or become something else.
Odd, considering Bombshell was always trying to overthrow Megatron and he became Galvatron's only loyal crony.
Leonard Nimoy is great as Galvatron though! Trek really should have stuck him in makeup as a bad guy sometime...
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
You are missing:
The character named Armada.
Or:
A group called Armada.
Posted by Prowl Alpha (Member # 1139) on :
Thundercracker became Scourge and leads the new sweep aka decepticon jets group. Skywarp became the other Cyclonus. It is the popular theory that the second Cyclonus was destroyed at the second battle of autobot city. That was the one where Ultra Magnus was leading the Autobots against Galvatron. Each claiming that they will destroy each other like Optimus and Megatron did.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well....not in the movie (although you're right about them showing a second Cyclonus for no good reason).
Best line goes to Rumble: "First we crack the shell, then the nuts inside!"
Nothing spells fun like piledrivers for arms.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
The Decepticon Jets group consisted of at least six fighters, IIRC: Starscream, Thundercracker, Thrust, Dirge, Ramjet and another fighter I do not recall. So Starscream gets friend by Galvatron, Thundercracker becomes a Sweep. I know that Ultra Magnus destroys both Dirge and Ramjet (two hits? that strong?), so what happened to Thrust and the sixth fighter?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What ever happened to that purple one - that had the little cassette tape in his chest that turned into a pterodactyl... he wasn't very nice. And isn't the movie the first time we see a female transformer... what year was the Transformers movie - 1986?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"That purple one" was Soundwave. The cassette (which was a bird; the only pterodactyl was Swoop the Dinobot) was Laserbeak. (Actually, there was another bird cassette who was differently-colored, but I think the cartoon only showed him once.) As for what happened to Soundwave, I believe he lasted through the end of the series.
And I believe the first female Transformers appeared in the middle of the second season (the movie was between the second and third seasons).
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The sixth jet was Skywarp: he could teleport. A power so cool, the almost never showed it.
Soundwave's other bird cassette was gold and blackk....and the name escapes me as well! FUCK! That's gonna haunt me.
HA! It's BUZZSAW! Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
About the Decepticon jets: Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker were the originals/oldest and were all destroyed in the movie. Thrust, Dirge, and Ramjet were newer, first appeared in second season, and I'm pretty sure those three survived to see the third season.
I may be remembering this incorrectly but wasn't Shrapnel, not Bombshell, the leader of the Insecticons?
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
OK.
Thundercracker became Scourge Bombshell became Cyclonus (Skywarp became the 'second' Cyclonus)
The 'Armada' refers to the other Cyclonus and all the Sweeps under Cyclonus' command
Remember that the Insecticons can make clones of themselves out of bits of metal, and there were more insecticons seen floating with the Decepticons; the clones probably became the other Sweeps.
The 'Pterodactyl referred to earlier may be Rat Bat, a bat cassette.
All three of the later jets are seen in Season 3. Shrapnel and Kickback are seen in Season 3.
The first female Transformers we saw were in Season 2 before the movie. There was Aerial, who became Elita-1; Chromia, Firestar, and Moonracer, plus a green one and an orange one that didn't get names.
The insecticon's didn't have an official leader, but it did seem that Shrapnel was the one who did the take charge thing the most.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
There was the cassette that was a grey hound...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's a panther actually. Soundwave's original batch o' cassettes:
Ravage (the panther) Buzzsaw and Laserbeak (the birds) Rumble and Frenzy (humanoids with transforming piledriver arms and big guns that are almost never fired)
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I'll just add that Buzzsaw was the cassette that came with the Soundwave toy. Strange that Buzzsaw was almost never used in the cartoon. Didn't they also frequently mix up Rumble and Frenzy's names?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Yeah. If I remember correctly, the toys had the red piledriving robot as Rumble and the blue piledriving robot as Frenzy. The cartoon flipflopped this. I don't know how it was in the comics.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I had one jet - Thundercracker I think as a toy and the lamborgini - the red autobot. I also had the big-assed white and red autobot jet... forgot it's name - wasn't in the cartoon much.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Sideswipe.
Jetfire / Skyfire.
Which was a Macross. And looked very different in the cartoon.
Also,
FIRRIB. Is what the nerds say.
But, I guess, the Dreamwave comics are RIRFIB.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Transformers!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
More than meets the eye?
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Robots in disguise.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I thought that was banned in the Federation?
And how does Galvatron fit into all this, exactly, anyway? (Yes, I know, I should've watched some more 80's cartoons...)
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
*Takes deep breath*
Prior to 2005, Optimus Prime was leader of the Autobots and Megatron was leader of the Decepticons. In 2005, Megatron leads an attack on Autobot City on Earth. Megs and Prime battle it out one and one. At least until that moron Hot Rod interfered. Prime was fatally injured, Megs was just severely injured. While escaping aboard Astrotrain (another Decepticon, don't ask me how he got so huge, Transformer size differences get wacky) they are forced to jettison Megs and some other injured Decepticons into space. Well, they weren't forced to jettison Megs, it's just that Starscream had been trying to get rid of him for years and finally had his chance. Anyway, Megs and his fellow injured Decepticons get drawn to Unicron, who is an evil planet-sized Transformer (in the sense that he transforms, not in the actual Cybertronian sense). Unicron wants Megs to get the Autobot Matrix of Leadership for him, as it is the only force in the universe that can stop him. To this end, Unicron transforms the injured Decepticons (see the rest of this thread for details). Before going to get the Matrix from Ultra Magnus (who got the Matrix from the now-deceased Prime), Galvy stops by and kills Starscream. (Well, sort of, but that's an even longer story.) Galvy goes insane after being thrown out of Unicron by Rodimus Prime (that same idiot Hot Rod who got Optimus Prime killed). Shortly thereafter, Optimus Prime is brought back to life by the Quintessons (creator of the Transformers, but not of Unicron).
Any questions?
(If you think that's complicated, the comic continuity is even worse...)
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Per the movie, Starscream usurps Megatron's place as leader of the Decepticons following the battle of Autobot City on Earth. In order for Astrotrain to make it back to Cybertron, the healthy Decepticons jetison the near-dead Decepticons. This includes Megatron.
Unicron them comes across Megatron and the other near-dead Decepticons. In exchange for their undying obedience to him and for them to destroy the Matrix of Leadership, Unicron gives the robots near identities and bodies. Megatron becomes Galvatron.
Now, if you really wanted to turn this into a Defiant-length type thread, let's talk about the following:
how Astrotrain can be large enough to carry all the Decepticons when in robot mode he's an average size.
the scaling problems between Cybertron and Unicron.
how the Constructicons can form Devastator inside Astrotrain.
how Soundwave can fit all those damn tapes inside him at once (Rumble, Frenzy, Ravage, Ratbat, and Laserbeak).
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Damn. Beat by six minutes.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, in fairness, Astrotrain's space-shuttle and train forms are mostly empty space on the inside. So he could change size between those and his robot form. But it's still stretching it to fit so many others inside him. Especially Devastator.
And Unicron didn't "come across" the spaced Decepticons. As Krenim said, he drew them to himself.
Unicron: "I have summoned you here for a purpose." Megatron: "No-one summons Megatron!" Unicron: "Then it pleases me to be the first."
Or something like that.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
All the Transformers somehow added mass or lost it when transforming and in Astrotrain and Omega Supreme's case, are larger on the inside when in vehicle forms (Gallifreian technology downloaded from Kazaa!). Megatron in particular loses most of his mass when transforming into that silly Ruger.
Something else about the movie is that many G1 transformers die. Starscream has one of animation's best death scenes. Spike yells "Ohhhhh shit!" about a decade before Data gets laughs from the same line.
Quintisons are a cool idea (although not the crazy ones from the movie) and explain how Cybertron and transformers were created. They appear partly organic too.
Posted by Prowl Alpha (Member # 1139) on :
Do not forget the nifty soundtrack that can get into your head never leave.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Hey hey hey.
Astrotrain needed to "decrease weight" in space.
Okay, chief.
I don't understand.
What good are transformers that turn into trains?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Okay, I just rewatched The Transformers: the Movie (yeah, I know; shut up). During the transformation, the jets' colors can't be seen, but, just before, they're all seen floating in this order: Kickback, Shrapnel, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Bombshell. Presumably, the jets can be identified during the transformation according to which Insecticons they're nearest. So, when Kickback and Shrapnel turn into Sweeps, it's Thundercracker who becomes Scourge. And Bombshell and Skywarp turn into the two Cycloni (Bombshell was in front, so I guess that's why he's assumed to be the "real" Cyclonus, while Skywarp is "his armada").
Of course, in the very next scene (Starscream's coronation/disintegration), Thundercracker, Skywarp, Bombshell, and Kickback are all clearly visible. And it doesn't help that Kickback got his head smashed even earlier in the film.
Anyway, this was pretty much just confirmation of what was already said.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ultra Magnus, I'm sure that "decrease mass" was meant instead of "decrease weight." In any case, Astrotrain was a triple-changer. He had his robot mode and two vehicle modes. Those two vehicle modes were a locomotive and a space shuttle. He's similar to Springer, who could transform into a helicopter and a car.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I know nothing, you see.
I was talking about, say, the JRX team, too.
Because they're on rails.
And useless.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
There's a lot of animation errors like the characters showing up after dying.
Two examples:
When the Battle of Autobot City is raging on they show perceptor in the distance firing and then a Transformer runs by close to the screen, you can just see the legs but they are the Pterodactyl feet at the knees from Swoop, the Dinobot. The Dinobots and Prime arrive on Earth the folloing morning.
Sunstreaker is seen helping Kup erect the warning sign near the beginning and 'arrives' with Prime after the city battle.
OK, three examples:
When Galvatron attacks the city, watch briefly for the only Dinobot not used in the film to make a cameo: Snarl, the Stegosaurus. Not seen before that point in the film, not seen afterwards. (but shows up in the third season.)
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Regarding the mass issue, the most common explanation is that each TF has a subspace pocket keyed to their specific use. We frequently see their sidearms appearing in a flash of coloured light in their hands from out of nowhere throughout the series. That's where Prime's trailer goes, where Soundwave (and Blaster) stashes his cassettes, where Soundwave and Megatron dump their excess mass when they transform to their much smaller alternate modes...
--Jonah
P.S. Meggie was a Walther P.38 -- with add-ons -- not a Ruger.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
This is also a convenient excuse for the changes some of the transformers go through. Hot Rod to Rodimus Prime, for example, or the brief conversion to neutron energy. And if you accept the Beast Wars continuity as part of the main TF universe (I do), many trasformers are basically compased of a mass of nano-sized machines that can be reconfigured under the correct curcumstances, explaining some of the impossibilities some of them go through when they transform between modes or incarnations.
Mark
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Insecticons also create clones, so it's possible that the clones were the ones thrown out into space. Except they talked, and the clones couldn't talk. Except that they couldn't talk in 1986, but they might have learnt to in 2005.
Strage though that Galvatron is fully aware of having been Megatron, and keeps much of his personality and mannerisms (or at least until he goes stark raving mad), but Scourge and Cyclonus don't.
For Astrotrain and the "jettoson some weight" line, it's possible that it wasn't a straight line to Cybertron. If he had to turn to get around a black hole (say), or fly through an asteroid belt, then the weight comment might make some sense.
It's also not mentioned (even in TF fan groups, AFAIK), but Astrotrain can apparently travel FTL. Unless we are to assume that Cybertron is right on top of Earth.
I can't make up my mind if the Quintesson-creaation story was stupid or brilliant. I do prefer the comics version though. And the comic Galvatron too, but that's because he killed lots and lots and lots of people, whereas cartoon Galvatron managed...one. Which is a lot more than most of the Transformers engaged in this bitter war, to be fair.
Armada causes pain. PAIN!
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Except the last twenty or so episodes, which are the best Transformers animation in the last fifteen years.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
My preferred TF origin story is a melding of the two. Primus and Unicron are two ancient entities that came from the previous universe/an alternate universe. They are opposing archetypes, chaos and order, creation and destruction, etc. Primus sees their fight won't end through main force, and dives into a metallic planetoid, imprisoning himself. Unicron thinks he's up to something and follows suit. Thus Primus succeeds in trapping the Chaos-Bringer.
Over the millennia, both learn to exert their wills/auras/whatever to manipulate their prisons. Primus is content to stimulate the origin of mechanical life that will one day lead to the TFs we know, and that will be more potent against Unicron that Primus himself, and then puts himself to sleep so Unicron won't find him. Unicron, meanwhile, is reshaping his prison into a new body for himself.
Then, millions of years later, now that Primus' prison has evolved into a thriving ecosystem and civilization -- the Quintessons come along and f*** everything up. They conquer the planet, enslave the inhabitants, and re-educate them over the following centuries to come to believe the Quints created them, and that their lot is to be servants. The genders are segregated, so they won't learn they don't need the Quints to reproduce. The females are marketed as domestics (being more aesthetically pleasing), while the males are good manual labourers. Many non- or semi-sentient drone vehicles are made during this time, too, to ferry potential customers, goods, and so on, and much of the wildlife becomes uncommon, if not extinct.
There is of course unrest, but nothing ever comes of it. But then, at some point under Quintesson rule, one of the labourers tries to get away, and hides from the Quints' enforcers down one of the tunnels the Quints cut to explore the subterranean (or whatever term is appropriate) environment. This cutting is the eighteenth approach they made to the core, and so they designated it "Vector Sigma". At the planet's core, the Quints found a glittering sphere that contained great power, but they weren't able to activate it, so they stationed guardian drones to make sure no one else found it. Well, our wayward slave manages to evade the guards, and finds himself in the presence of "Vector Sigma" -- who wakes from his slumber long enough to say somethign along the lines of "I am Primus. I created Cybertron, and all life on it. You are the first of my creations to find me. To you I impart this portion of myself, a matrix of my very essence. Use it to lead your people. Use it to create new life, as I did. And guard it well, for one day one will rise from your ranks and use the power of the matrix to light your darkest hour."
So the slaves rebel. They drive the Quints off Cybertron. Their brand becomes a badge of remembrance. The Brotherhood of Decepticons forms of like-minded individuals who believe Cybertronians should expand and conquer -- a perfectly understandable reaction for a recently-liberated people. Thus ends the Golden Age, and thus begins the Civil War. At some point, Autobot scientists crete the secret weapon of transforming, allowing them to slip about without being noticed by the Decepticons. The Decepticons eventually catch on and adapt themselves similarly, and later one-up the Autobots by creating Triplechangers, and eventually the first Gestalt, Devastator.
About this time, Cybertron's energy reserves are dwindling. The Decepticons send out probes to find more sources of energy. These home in on likely planets, scan the dominant life-forms, create five or six new Decepticons from the nascent personality chips included with the probe. These 'Cons set up an energon-collection station, harvest energy, and await retrieval. And if anything threatens the station, they can combine into a big nasty to defend it. This is how I explain the Predacons, Seacons, Terrorcons, and even Insecticons (the probe was damaged in the landing and could only activate three).
The Autobots' answer was to form an expedition to find a new source of energy, but the Decepticons intercepted the ship and they all crashed on Earth four million years ago. Etc.
That about cover all the bases?
--Jonah
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And the comic Galvatron too, but that's because he killed lots and lots and lots of people, whereas cartoon Galvatron managed...one.
You're talking about the UK comic, eh? The issues where the future Transformers (Galvatron and the like) were responsible for causing a rift in time/space was pretty full on. I remember Galvatron going absolutely psycho, and didn't he somehow lose his face? There was some crazy stuff there.
Both the UK and US comics series were generally better than the cartoon IMO.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
My own interpretation loses the comics' Primus and Unicron, but keeps most of the stuff introduced in the latter TF and Beast Wars cartoons.
This time around, the Quintessons DO create the Transformers, in the two main classifications - military hardware, and consumer goods. In imbuing their machines with AI, they uniwttingly created receptacles for the fragments of the matrix (Primus), an extra-dimentional being that subdivides bits of itself into each machine via portals/computers like Vector Sigma and the Matrix of Leadership.
The fragments of the Matrix, called sparks in BW mythos, spend their existence as separate lifeforms, accumulating knowledge and wisdom. When they die, the sparks return to the Matrix and enrich it, and the cycles continue. In short, the Quints unknowingly created shells for all this to happen. The ultimate rebellion wan precipitated by what they thought was making their product TOO well, when it fact it wasn't their doing at all.
I am an unashamed Beast Wars and Beast Machines fan! There, I said it!
Mark
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
I rather like the cartoon continuity that an ancient being called Primacron built robotic creations culminating in the monstrous Unicron. Primacron then built the Matrix to destroy Unicron, but it was lost to deep space when Unicron attacked Primacron's lab, nearly killing him.
The Matrix I guess floated through space and ended up in the hands of the 'consumer goods'. Unicron began a quest to find this small piece of technology that was the only thing he knew that was capable of destroying him.
See "Call of the Primitives", Season 3
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Uh...."Primacron"? Is that from Beast Machines?
Stuff I've seen that looks right: (not including any BW or BM stories)
Quintisons either create or are created by what will become Unicron.
Quintisons are either cybernetic/biological organisms or develop the use of added organics to upgrade their systems.
Quintisons need rescourses and develop the planetthat will become Cybertron by building primitave robots as laborers. Quintisons create a sentient personality to program each robot: Vector Sigma. Vector Sigma considers his new creations his offspring and wants them to be free. Vector sigma begins making his robots more independant.
Quintison culture begins to decline: much of their past science and history is lost as they depend more of teir robotic creations for everyday functions. Vector Sigma begins adding the need for freedom to his creations.
Eventually Quints set up comerce with other races by selling their robots in exchange for technology (withch in turn improves their robots). Quints begin making smarter robots with specializations in combat or slave labor.
Robots overthrow Quintisons.
Combat oriented robots become the first Decepticons and set up a facist rule of Cybertron based on their strength. Civil war ensues.
Servile robots in other cultures either outlive or overthrow their masters.
Vector Sigma realizes the newly-banded together Autobots will fall to the Decepticons and creates the Matrix of Leadership to allow knowledge and abilities from previous Autobots to be passed to new generations of robots. Autobot forces increase in both strength and skill over time due to knowledge passed down via the Matrix. Autobot and Decepticon forces stalemate in endless conflict.
Unicron realizes that the Matrix is a threat to him and seeks it's destruction.
Prime and all the G1 transformers are lost on Earth for millions of years. Cybertron is mostly abandonded by it's non-combative inhabitants: machine world colonies are formed in several systems.
Events of the first cartoon.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
On a side note: Anybody remember the episode in space with the Autobot Bounty Hunter? All I recall is that is was cool and I really wanted a toy of him (witch was never made).
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Jason,
What I related above is from the original cartoon, Season 3 episode called "Call of the Primitives". Primacron is established as the creator of both Unicron and the Matrix.
It was the Season 2 episode "The Gambler" that introduced Defcon, the bounty hunter!
Defcon Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Huh. I sure missed that one. So Primcron is a kind of machine god? Cool: much better than the hackend old "robots turn on their creators" bit.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Huh. I sure missed that one. So Primcron is a kind of machine god?
Well, Primacron is an organic being, not a machine, but he's an extremely long-lived one, many millions of years old. He looks kind of like an alien simian.
By the way, "Call of the Primitives" has some of the most anime-looking animation I've seen in Transformers! A feast for the eyes!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
AHHHHHH!!! He's a freakin' MONKEY!
That's like the Source in the Matrix movies being a Commodore 64.
And the animation style looks like the Thundercats brand of mixing swirly colors on a costume.
Got a screencap of anything else from that episode?
Where do the Quintisons come in if Chim-Chim created the Matrix and Unicron?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Here's a page that has a synopsis and some pics from the episode. I disagree with some of his points and he even gets some names wrong, for instance the storm entity should be named Tornadron, not Torkutron as he has it. (It's like an energy tornado, hence the name.)
Anyhoo, the page does have some interesting screen caps:
So the episode's so vague that anyone can draw a diffrent conclusion. And it throws previous continuity out the airlock. And it means more than one Matrix. And it makes the creator of the transformers a monkey.
A
Monkey.
Somehow I dont think I missed anything by not seeing this episode.
And just when I was going to remark on how Transformers was better than Voyager too. Curses.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Say what you will, but in my opinion it's one of my all-time favorite episodes of the transformers.
There's not two Matrixes (matrices??). What he interpreted as being a second matrix is simply THE Matrix shown floating out of Primacron's destroyed laboratory while Primacron's Assistant is heard narrating the events we are seeing. It's not the Assistant looking like the Matrix and travelling somewhere. It'll be clearer when you actually see the episode in the next DVD box set.
This guy's review was obviously written a decade after he had last seen the show, or there wouldn't have been such a blatant error of the energy being's name.
I've seen the episode fairly regularly over the past 15 years.
It doesn't throw previous continuity out the airlock, it enriches the story during the early years. Primacron built some of the primitive robots. The actual Transformers were created much later by the Quintessons.
What's wrong with Primacron being a simian? It shows he's more primitive than organics are now. Our own ancestry (primitives) are more simian as well. I'd say that's adding to the believability of the continuity, not detracting from it.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Primacron being Simian is only annoying in that he's supped to be some super genius and the costume is very Thundercats looking. He looks like a thundercats mutant so I'm disapointed. If he looked cool like a Kaminoloid or those things from The Abyss I'd be more forgiving.
Anyway....can you explain a couple of things for me:
1.) I saw an excellent BeastWars episode where Unicron was being resurected at the end but I never saw the second part. What happened there? What was that planet? earth of the extremely distant future? 2.) In yet another BW two parter that I only caught part of, Megatron was somehow transported back in time to The arc when Prime and the gang were inactive and was going to blow Prime away. Mised everything after that though. 3.) What happened at the end of Beast Machines? I missed the entire last season (crummy employment: making me miss cartoons!)
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
That wasn't really Unicron. It was just the recurring mysterious aliens (later known to be called the Vok) taking a form familiar to Transformers.
Megatron (the Beast Wars Megatron, not G1 Megatron) blasted Prime in "The Agenda, Part III." The Maximals managed to repair Prime's body while Primal held Prime's spark (mutating him into "Optimal Optimus.")
Beast Machines ended with Primal and Megatron getting thrown deep into the core of Cybertron, thus reformatting the entire planet.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
[spoilers]
To recap everyone on Beast Wars, the whole thing involved a bunch of Maximals and Predacons (ne Autobots and Decepticons) using transwarp technology to travel to Earth of the past, around two million years into the time the G1 gang was stuck under that volcano in the Ark. BW Megatron told his crew that he was there to collect energon from a planet, but he was really there to exterminate the human race as they were just evolving, using the "Golden Disk" (actually the disk on a Voyager space probe) to determine where the first tribes would appear.
When that didn't work out, BW Megatron fell back to a plan that G1 Megs wanted his followers to do should he have failed in the G1 series - for them to use the Golden Disk and the then-experimental transwarp technology to come back and kill the dormant Autobots, thus allowing the Decepticons to awake in 1985 and freely conquer the world. BW Megs took it a step upward, as it was the humans who helped the Autobots a whole lot more in the big picture. Anyway, that didn't work either.
Following the Beast Wars finale (a great story involving BW Megs resurrecting the G1 Decepticon ship to destroy the Ark, and in which BW Megs had been similarly mutated by G1 Megs' spark), the survivors took an Autobot shuttle and transwarped their way back to their present, about 300 years after G1, There, they find a Cybertron where an escaped BW Megatron had taken over and disappeared the population. Thus begins Beast Machines...
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I watched some early episodes of "The Transformers" today and discovered that they show at least eight of the Starscream/Thundercracker/Skywarp style of jets. So, perhaps the problems in the movie weren't really problems, after all.
"...mutating him into 'Optimal Optimus.'"
Okay, that's even worse than "Rodimus Prime". Seriously.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Krenim:
Beast Machines ended with Primal and Megatron getting thrown deep into the core of Cybertron, thus reformatting the entire planet.
So Agent Smith and Neo fight it out, thus reformatting the entire matrix....
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