1. Alpha Gate found in Giza 1929 2. Taken to the US not DHD 3. Used once in the 40's and the mothballed 4. Used again in the early nineties then mothballed 5. Used again in 1997-now
Beta Gate - found in Antarctica by O'Neil and Carter. Taken to Groom Lake Facility/Nellis AF Base (Area 51) and mothballed (or thought so).
Found out in "Touchstone" that what they had there at Area 51 was plastic. Beta gate had been used by the NID to do their own travels to other worlds. Located and recovered in Utah. Real Beta Gate mothballed and welded shut with a Trinum iris and placed under the command of the SGC.
The Alpha gate is taken by SGC to Thor's ship in "Small Victories" - so they can escape the destruction of the Belisknar and gate to the Alpha Site. General Hammond orders the unpacking of the Beta Gate.
In "Waterworld" we find that the Alphagate survived the uncontrolled reentry into Earth's atmosphere and the Russians found it and took it home. THEY have the original DHD that the Nazi's took and studied from the Alpha gate in Giza.
In "Redemption, Part II" - the SGC loose the BETA gate buy attaching it to the X-302 and sending it far enough away from Earth to preven Anubis from destroying Earth. The US subsequently buys the ALPHA gate BACK from Russia.
Is that the state of play now? Beta is basically kaput.
How'd the Russians reassemble the Alpha gate that was floating in the water at the end of season 3? I thought it was in pieces - apparantly it wasn't.
What happened to the DHD from Antarctica?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I seem to remember that the Beta Gate's DHD was stored at Groom Lake with the Gate itself and was being used by the NID to power their Gate. When the SGC began using the Beta Gate, they didn't need the DHD because they had the computer they'd always used. After they got the Alpha Gate back, the Beta DHD would be usless and is probably sitting in a closet somewhere.
I do remember that the SGC got ahold of Russia's Alpha DHD to try and save T'ealc, but it was destroyed in the attempt.
I could be wrong about this... I'm not quite current on SG-1, but I'm working on it.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Yup. The alpha DHD and beta gate are both toast.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
And I thought the thread had something to do with Microsoft... Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Heh.
Actually, the beta DHD recovered "stopped working" according to Carter, after experimentation with it at Area 51. They were never very clear on that point, but it ran out of power or they took it apart and couldn't put it back together or something. The point was they had to have the plot point of going to Russia and borrowing (and subsequently toasting) the Alpha DHD.
The Alpha gate wasn't *destroyed* in the Asgard crash - what was floating on the water was just pieces of Beliskner. The Russians probably found it during or after "Small Victories" as part of that incident, and with the help of their own records and Colonel Maybourne they got their "on the cheap" program working.
Mark
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Stargates are extremely hard to destroy, apparently. We've had them sitting on worlds that have been turned into balls of superheated plasma and still be active. The only one I remember being permanantly broken is the beta gate, destroyed by Anubis' Ancient weapon specifically designed to do such things.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Another thing, Major Davis said that the fireball (the Belisknar) was to set down off the coast of California... but the Russians got to it first??
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
You'd be surprised. For starters, even an uncontrolled ballistic re-entry can cover many THOUSANDS of kilometers from the deorbit to landing. Depending on when the ship started to break up, it could be almost anywhere on its way in.
Secondly, even today Russian subs have been known to skirt the edges of US and Canadian nautical borders when at sea. It was not surprising at all that they found the wreckage first.
Thirdly, about the destruction of Stargates: they once dumped one into a sun, and did say that it would be destroyed - but not before it helped destroy the star itself. Also, Teal'c once said that Nirrti destroyed a Stargate as part of a deception against another System Lord. He may have been just exaggerating or relating a tale of legend, which in turn could have been exaggerated because of the deifying the Goa'uld tend to gice their histories. But still...
Mark
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Not to mention the gate that lasted a year and a half in low orbit of a black hole while the gravitational gradient had already turned the planet it was on into an asteroid belt...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I've always wondered what would have happened to the SG10 team on that blackhole planet - when the sun's matter started to come through?? At their speed it would have happened quite quickly
in reality - very slowly?? no.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I think that by that time they'd be rather dead - the planet would likely have been converted into rubble long before they had the idea of sucking a sun through the gate.
Mark
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I've never studied general relativity in detail, but wouldn't that planet have been rubble long before they started experiencing such severe time dilation?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
That episode... when I think I've got my head around it - something else knocks it over! Great ep.
Isn't it like this... the area they are in is moving basically at a stand-still but to them everything would happen normally - so yeah they ran, and got sucked into the blackhole already in time OUTSIDE the blackhole's event horizon - but for them they are still running towards the gate?
The wierd thing is the stargate - which is like a tunnel beyond the event horizon... between two different time speeds. Does SG-10 get a face-full of Sun - or does the blackhole?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
How could the SG10 team have ever got that far from the gate in the first place?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The relativistic effects seem to increase throughout the teaser... maybe the blackhole was just forming and the event horizon had just moved through their position?
Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :
The thing thats always bothered me is the Beta gate's point of orgin changed after Solitudes.
Ho-hum
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Maybe they relabeled it. Or maybe the gate itself always had the right symbol, and it was just the DHD with the odd one. Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"...wouldn't that planet have been rubble long before they started experiencing such severe time dilation?"
Quite.
"Great ep."
Hardly. B)
"...maybe the blackhole was just forming and the event horizon had just moved through their position?"
Erhm, no. An event horizon doesn't "move", it simply marks the distance at which the escape velocity of a black hole equals the speed of light (aka the Schwarzschild radius, which is dependant on the hole's mass). If the planet from A Matter of Time was already that close to the singularity to begin with, the tidal forces would have ripped it apart in mere seconds - and SG-10 right alongside it. Similarly, the gate they dialed in Small Victories still had to have been well outside the EH (ie. in a higher orbit), since matter becomes a string of subatomic particles VERY quickly once it spirals past the SR.
"...the stargate - which is like a tunnel beyond the event horizon"
Stargates can "translate" gravitational effects through a wormhole (which begs the question why people and objects aren't pulled into normal active gates at ~1G), but they can't tunnel beyond event horizons anymore than I can run faster than light.
[ March 07, 2004, 06:23 AM: Message edited by: Cartman ]
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Stargates can "translate" gravitational effects through a wormhole (which begs the question why people and objects aren't pulled into normal active gates at ~1G), but they can't tunnel beyond event horizons anymore than I can run faster than light.
Forgive my ignorance, but... why not?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"An event horizon doesn't 'move', it simply marks the distance at which the escape velocity of a black hole equals the speed of light (aka the Schwarzschild radius, which is dependant on the hole's mass)."
Sure it moves, for the very reason you just mentioned. As the Mass of the singularity increases, so does the radius of the event horizon. So, if you had some magical object that was unaffected by the black hole's gravity, and you put it just outside the event horizon, then you started feeding mass into the singularity, the magical object would eventually end up inside the event horizon. Therefore, the eventhorizon would have moved, relative to the object.
I'm not saying that that makes Andrew's theory make any sense. Just that it isn't nonsensical for that particular reason.
"Stargates can 'translate' gravitational effects through a wormhole (which begs the question why people and objects aren't pulled into normal active gates at ~1G)..."
Because the direction of the gravitational pull is typically parallel to the surface of the gate? If you connected to a gate that was, for some reason, pointed at the ground, you may very well feel gravity through it. However, I think that the only times they've used a gate that's been laid flat, it's always been pointed up, not down.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Forgive my ignorance, but... why not?"
Because one of the two gates would need to be positioned inside the SR, and, as I said, nothing there stays in one piece for very long.
"As the Mass of the singularity increases, so does the radius of the event horizon."
Hmm, right. You'd have to feed it a LOT of mass to move the EH any appreciable amount, though. A few star systems' worth at least.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Sure it moves, for the very reason you just mentioned. As the Mass of the singularity increases, so does the radius of the event horizon. I'm not saying that that makes Andrew's theory make any sense. Just that it isn't nonsensical for that particular reason.
Oh and for a minute there I thought TSN was backing me UP for once...
Stargate horizontal has been seen a few times - but things going in... people, wheat etc. Stargate horizontal with things going OUT - i don't think we've seen... and it would be interesting! Either up and then they'd land back on the front of the face of the wormhole... or face down... then instead of an iris they could just hang the gate over a pit of sharks.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Such has happened a couple times. Spoilers for seasons 3 and 7!
Once in "A Hundred Days", the gate got knocked over and buried face up. The force of the explosion that caused this liquified some of the surrounding rock into forming a natural iris above the event horizon - allowing the gate to open but nothing to pass through. Carter ended up building a particle beam generator that they fired through to the buried gate, vaporizing just enough of the natural iris to allow the usual "kawoosh" to form, which then vaporized a cavity above the gate. When they sent a MALP probe through, it emerged, then sank right back down into the event horizon and was vaporized. Teal'c ultimately harpooned up into the cavity and drilled his way out from there.
And in the seventh season's "Death Knell", a gate was knocked face down. When they sent the MALP through, it fell right into the excavated hole. Since they'd be going into hostile territory, O'Neill noted that the gate had given them a perfect foxhole. They brought a ladder with them to get out.
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Though, if the probe was destroyed passing back through the wormhole in the wrong direction, how come people can safely wave their arms around in it? And if the wormhole is only one way for most things, where exactly is their arm while they're doing that?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That's like: "How can McCoy be talking while transporting in STII?"
Answer: Fuck if I know.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It's generally accepted that there is a "buffer zone" in subspace just after you enter the gate, that dematerializes stuff only after most or all of the target object has passed the event hozizon. That is to say, if you stick your arm into the swirly water, you won't immediately have your arm sticking out the other side.
Only after you walk into the gate do you get dematerialized and sent on your way. Exceptions to this occur with things like harpoons and cables, streams of gooey food, etc. Note that when you materialize on the other end, you do so AT the event horizon, not in some buffer zone. That's why stuff can be prevented from reinteegrating by placing an iris just above the swirly stuff.
The same works in the other direction - you can stick stuff partway into this buffer zone (and thus keep the gate open, but only when it enters completely then is it destroyed 'cuz you're going the wrong way. It's been established that stuff exits the gate at roughly the same velocity it goes in, so accidentally falling back into the wormhole isn't likely.
Mark <--- this post could be taken in SO the wrong way
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I never understood why-when the SG1 team KNOWS there's a bunch of baddies waiting for them at the gate's terminus- they dont just set up a gatling gun to fire of a few thousand rounds before they go through?
Aside from the TV censors being adverse to showing people reduced to hamburger, that is.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well they send a malp through first... when that comes through one would expect the enemy to take cover for possible incoming fire.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Some variants of the MALP do have weapons on them. And once, they launched indirect-fire missiles through the gate to disable enemy positions before they went through in force. The missiles would pop through the gate and immediately go ballistic, then come down on the target from above.
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
A biiiig cluster bomb on the MALP would probably be prudent.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Ya think?
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Yeah, but is DHD resistant enough to withstand this kind of damage?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The DHD seems pretty frail when you consider the virtually indestructable nature of the gate itself. Mabye they arent original parts but are something the G'auld made.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Considering the Gates in the Pegasus Galaxy in the new series also have DHDs of a sort, I'm guessing they're Ancient technology like the Gates themselves.
Though, it doesn't seem very smart to have a nigh-invulnerable Gate with a control system that can be disabled with a swift kick. Perhaps the invulnerability of the Gate is just a byproduct of the type of material it had to be made of in order to channel the power needed to make it work. Or perhaps thre Ancients had other means of controling the Gate system in addition to the DHDs. We've seen Gates activated by "wireless" means before.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Whenever they need to do something "technical", the gate has always been a black box - you can't open it up and look inside or modify it (the iris is an external modification, for example). The DHD is essentially the terminal to change and modify gate stuff, so it kinda follows that it would be more fragile than the gate itself. The gate can dial without a DHD or computer - all it needs is enough power to unlock the inner ring which you can dial in manually from there.
Essentially, the DHD is a remote control to the "TV" of the gate. We've seen at least four different kinds of remotes, too - the Earthside computers, the DHD, a wrist activator some more advanced people use (which omits the usual "kawoosh"), and some more advanced mental or telekinetic control that we've seen the Nox use. In any case, you can break the remote easier than you can break the TV.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Interestingly enough, the Goa'uld must have some kind of portable, remote Gate control, because Apophys' posse dials back to Chulack from the SGC after abducting the Airforce sergent at the beginning of "Children of the Gods".
It didn't show them dial, but they couldn't have used the SGC's computer to do it.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yep, the writers have said that he probably had a "quick return" device he scooped from somewhere. The Goa'uld are mostly parasitical, and they rarely invent their own technology - rarer still when it comes to gate travel. At least until Anubis came along, anyway.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
*drool*
I can't wait to get caught up with the later seasons. Amazon.com, here I come. Time to order season 2.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...a wrist activator some more advanced people use (which omits the usual "kawoosh")..."
Isn't that caused by the opening of the wormhole, though? I wouldn't think it should be avoidable, regardless of what device you use to tell the gate to start spinning.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"The gate can dial without a DHD or computer..."
Which is pretty strange when you think about it. The Ancients go through all this trouble to make the gate network as user-friendly and idiot-proof as possible by implementing a billion elaborate safety protocols in their uber-advanced remote control devices, but they also install a crude secondary dialing mechanism in the gates themselves that disregards all of those measures and has *zero* safeguards against fragging you wholesale...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
[various minor spoilers]
Aban: Dude, you're behind! That's five seasons of DVD gold to catch up on!
TSN: The Nox can activate the stargate by waving their hands around. The wormhole appears as a wave, with no "kawoosh" (this is a term used by the production team, BTW). The "kawoosh" is NOT part of the wormhole forming, as we know the wormhole can open while the iris is closed. Most people believe that the "kawoosh" is part of a gate mechanism to clear the way of anything passing through the wormhole, like snow, ice, rock, etc. Since the target is reconstituted AT the event horizon, it makes sense that it should be able to pass into normal space with nothing blocking it. In "1969", the future sees humans able to do the same opening effect with a wrist-device. These people, being as cool as they are, already KNOW that the destination is safe, and thus overrode the "kawoosh".
Cartman: Continuing the remote control analogy, if your remote's broken or missing, you can still walk over tot he TV and hit the on switch and select the channel yourself. The DHD is basically a shortcut to do the same thing faster, plus play with the tint, color and sharpness. Then there's the satellite box that O'Neil can build that takes you to a whole other galaxy.
Mark
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Well, it's a surefire way of making sure that primitives don't figure the whole thing out too early, right?
Besides, seeing as how the gates can accept incoming travelers without a DHD or computer input, it seems fairly logical that it can dial out that way too.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Yes, but if my remote breaks and I tune the TV manually, my atoms aren't in danger of being smeared out across ten solar systems, whereas if I step into a gate I've just dialed with my bare hands and don't know what error codes its DHD would have returned for that address, they very well might be. B)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
You're right - you're in danger of watching Friends. What I'm trying to say that as on a TV, if you want to go from channel 3 to channel 143, you're stuck in front of the TV for a while pressing the "up" button. With your remote, you're three button pushes away.
Actually, I think the gate's usual safety features STAY in effect and must be overridden. For example, the Alpha gate didn't work because it was disconnected from its DHD for thousands of years and couldn't be "updated" by the network to account for stellar drift. Then, in "Red Sky" the gang overrode the gate's safeties to travel, and THAT almost caused a star to die. If the gate returns an "error code", it will simply not engage.
Mark
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Ow, doh. For some wacky reason I thought it was the DHD that prevented a gate from establishing an unsafe wormhole (and I'd forgotten all about Red Sky to boot). Thanks for kawooshing a gate-sized hole in that theory. B)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"The 'kawoosh' is NOT part of the wormhole forming, as we know the wormhole can open while the iris is closed."
I always assumed it was just forming in the micro-space between the gate and the iris, and the iris itself was immune to being obliterated by it.
After all, if they knew in the SGC how to turn of the "kawoosh", wouldn't they do it every time they open a wormhole there?
"Besides, seeing as how the gates can accept incoming travelers without a DHD or computer input, it seems fairly logical that it can dial out that way too."
Is the DHD physically connected to the gate? Because, if it's a remote device itself, then it should be obvious that, if you can replicate the signal it's sending to the gate, you don't need it.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I always assumed it was just forming in the micro-space between the gate and the iris, and the iris itself was immune to being obliterated by it.
Nope, they've stated as much on the show. Kawoosh doesn't form at all, even though the wormhole does. Which begs the question... when Teal'c was trapped in the buffer, why not just activate a wormhole with the iris closed, and open it REAL fast?
After all, if they knew in the SGC how to turn of the "kawoosh", wouldn't they do it every time they open a wormhole there?
Why bother? The kawoosh is apparently the doohickey flushing its pattern buffers, or some such. The SGC did once manage to activate it without such flushing, and without the resulting kawoosh, but it took some hacking with an actual DHD. The gate has control and signal mechanisms that the SGC's computers don't interface with, so while they know it can be done and probably could pull it off if they spent enough time, would it really have any useful purpose?
Is the DHD physically connected to the gate?
Nope, the stargate can be operated by the thing when the gate's completely enclosed in a metal box.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Mark: I've seen episodes past season 1, I just don't own the DVD's yet. Being that they cost about 60 clams each, I'm just taking my time in buying them all.
[ March 23, 2004, 06:57 AM: Message edited by: Aban Rune ]
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yes, but looking at the precioussss isn't the same as owning itses...
Hey, you know what - why don't we have a Stargate forum on Flare? After Trek, it's arguably the most prolific current TV franchise in sci-fi, no? And the past few weeks on these threads haave shown more activity than the Star Wars forum has in months...
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I'd be up for that. I could post annoying questions such as "Do Jaffa have pubic hair?" and "Where do the iris blades come from?"
Speaking of which... where *do* the iris blades come from?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Jaffa do have pubic hair. They shave their heads for whatever reason - but what they do with their privates is their own damn business. Note multiple observations of Teal'c's armpits over the years.
As for the iris blades, they deploy from a cavity inside the ring. Think of the stargate as a car tire, with the wormhole forming somewhere towards the back rim; the iris mechanism was installed in the cavity where the pressurized air would normally go.
Mark <--- Soo... How do we go about requesting a Stargate forum here?
[ March 23, 2004, 11:12 AM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I was mostly joking... but I was thinking specifically of the female Jaffa that carried Amonet in Children of the Gods (I think Apophys called her "Jaffita" or something...). It showed her tummy and that waistline dipped pretty low...
But I was mostly joking.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Actually, that waistline dipped all the way... on the DVD, anyway. B)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
You're talking about Sha're's infamous FFN scene. Ah, Showtime... Such FOX-like behaviour!
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
No... I mean the Jaffa woman who carried Amonet before she drilled a hole into Sha're's neck. She had these low-riders on. Pretty nice.
And when Apophys calls her out of the little side room she's in to come take a look at the Airforce Sergent, he pulls the curtain aside and says what sounds like, "Jaffita, cree!"
Wait a tick... my new tv has closed captioning... I can actually check this out....
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I believe Mark was talking to Cartman, actually.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Sha're - what is cut? Which episode?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
In the pilot episode "Children of the Gods", during the scene where Sha're is taken over by Ammaunet. In the syndication and video release, they cut her robes off but the camera is cut close and at most we see only her bare backside. In the Showtime and DVD versions - full frontal, baby.
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
They just showed the episode where Daniel is dragged around by some alien that's a dead ringer for the one in Enemy Mine.
It was a good episode but did they really think no one would notice? Even it's movments and mannarisms are the same.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
... the Unis?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I...think so. The planet had G'Auld symbiotes living in lakes there and two guys on SG5 get possesed including that annoying nerdy archeolgist (O'Neill blows him away but feels bad after).
The (Unis?) live in a cave and paint on the walls with blood.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Unas".
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: In the pilot episode "Children of the Gods", during the scene where Sha're is taken over by Ammaunet. In the syndication and video release, they cut her robes off but the camera is cut close and at most we see only her bare backside. In the Showtime and DVD versions - full frontal, baby.
Mark
And I've been putting off watching my season 1 DVDs... why!?! Woo!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Screencap!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
And here my mom just brought home the Season 1 DVD's borrowed from a coworker!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Play like you're all shocked and offended when that scene comes on. Tell her you're damaged for life. It'll be funny.
The only ep I really, really like form season 1 is the season finale. It has tie-ns to a couple of the other eps and is a really good cliffhanger.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Maybe I should look into getting the SG DVDs over the summer... My girlfriend's mom bought s5, and she doesn't even own a DVD player! The only one in the house belongs to my girlfriend.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yep, the S1 cliffhanger was certainly good. Things were dire, you don't know HOW they're gonna get out of it, and then in the last FIVE SECONDS you get a tiny visual cue that turns everything in its ear and makes it even worse!
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Exactly. And what's awesome is, I don't remember how the season premiere went... so it'll be nigh-new to me.
I'm easily amused.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Yep, the S1 cliffhanger was certainly good. Things were dire, you don't know HOW they're gonna get out of it, and then in the last FIVE SECONDS you get a tiny visual cue that turns everything in its ear and makes it even worse!
Mark
I remember that season 1 cliffhanger... it sort of started in "Solitudes" and even the 'clip/bottle' show was integral to the end of the season. Then the final episode!! The horrible thing was - was that they didn't release season 2 on video in Australia (tv was ahead to the end of season 2 - and they don't repeat eps several times a week like they do in the US) for something like 9 months to a year later! Finally got to see then - the remaining 'holes' in my Stargate watching. Gee that must be 5 years ago!?!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Well, we watched the premiere last night, and all I can say is, if that were my real introduction to "Stargate", I might not be a fan today! Egad, that was hokey! Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't want to know anything about Anubis. I've only seen shows up to the early days of Jackson's replacement...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You havent gotten up to the point whee T'Alc dies?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Or where Carter and O'Neill hook up? Gee, you've missed so much!
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Yeah, like the evacuation of Earth...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
*whispers* "I don't think they're telling the truth..."
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
not to mention entering an alien space race!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Or the return of Apophis, alternate Kowalski and Catherine - who are now having an intergalactic/interdimensional three-some Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: You havent gotten up to the point whee T'Alc dies?
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