A few facts: The first movie takes place in 1999 from the point of view of the people pluged in. We don't have a time frame for the second one, though it's at least 6 months after the first and most likely set in 2001 since Morpheus and crew drive a 2001 Caddy.
Morpheus says that they've been fighting the war for 100 years and that that the previous One freed the first of them (which would actually have been Neo's predecessor choosing the new group of Zionese after the last reloading).
These events obviously took place long before Morpheus was born, and he's mostly relying on Zion history and what the Oracle says for his inaccurate version of history.
The Architect says that the Matrix was designed with the varying grotequeries of our history in mind and we see pictures at least as far back as WW2.
So what I'm getting at is, for those in the Matrix, does the world always appear to be around the turn of the century, or have they actually been reliving human history?
The pics of WW2 could be the "actual" WW2 that happened before the machines rose to power without ever having happened in the Matrix history.
The presence of Werewolf guys and mentions of "a much older version of the Matrix" seem to hint at the fact that there have been different points in history represented. Perhaps each reloading of the Matrix makes the world more and more advanced.
Yes, I just rewatched Matrix and Reloaded. Not Revolutions though cause it stank.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
In the anime "Megazone 23", the inhabitants of a huge spaceship are brainwashed into thinking that they were always in a city in the 1980s (yikes!), even though hundreds of years had passed. I think a similar thing is the case here - everyone is constantly living in a state believing it's 1999. That they reboot every few decades would probably help before recursion in the poplulation ("it feels like nothing ever changes around here") could lead to masses of people figuring it out.
Mark
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Without having seen Revolutions, I would say that the periodic restarts of the Matrix keep the timeline from advancing too far. Although I don't think it would always be the turn of the century, it very well could be. The machines do seem to have the ability to alter the memories of the Matrix's inhabitants, as Cypher wanted his memories of being outside the Matrix erased. But it seems easier to just start from a set point in history, run the program for a century or so, and then reboot.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Yes, I agree with that for the most part, since WW2 would be a good time frame to remove the dead, and dying, batteries from the system and replace them....
OTOH, I don't see a big deal with Matrix being able to recreate any timeline it wants, except if it needs to keep millions of billions of minds busy, or, for that matter, it could multi task and shunt minds in to whatever timeline(s) it desires to recreate....
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
WE COULD ASK ALPHA TRION
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Isn't he in Vector Sigma?
Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :
I think the passage of time exists within the matrix for mabye one "one" generation. Around 1970s - 2010s or so.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Aban Rune: "since Morpheus and crew drive a 2001 Caddy."
*imagines Morpheus and Trinity fleeing from the Twins in golf car* Oh, you meant 'Cadillac'!
Anyway, I must disagree about "Revolutions" stinking. It was resolved in one of the best ways possible, just not in the "WE KILL ALL ENEMIES IN ONE BANG AND JOHN TRAVOLTA GETS HIS ARM SHOT OFF!!!"-way, which, although appealing, is too Lived Happily Everafter:ish.
And that's not counting the detailed "Fall of Zion" and all the fights. The thing with movie fights is you get spoiled, you can't eat pizza every day of the week or you'll get tired of it.
I'm still working on identifying the ships in the Loading Dock-scene in early "Reloaded", those ships are so unique as a concept, and there are no two alike.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I agree that the hovercraft are awesome concepts. I love the design style. I have a hard time seeing any of the other ships during Reloaded. I'll have to look harder next time. They don't have names printed on them or anything, though, do they?
I should probably watch Rev. again before I make any firm judgements on its level of stink. I just remember thinking it felt like a half hour of plot stretched into a two hour movie. The whole thing with Neo in the train station and Trin and Seraph's encounter with the Merovingian (sp?) seemed utterly useless to me. The movie would have worked just as well had Neo simply woken up, having been in a coma from the shock of using his Oneness in the real world. But then we would've missed the best fight scene of the movie in the BDSM club.
What I felt the worst thing was, is that I don't understand what happened at the end. I don't mind the answers not smacking me in the face, but I want there to be an answer out there somewhere. It's like with the end of the Planet of the Apes remake... I don't know what happened, the director doesn't know what happened... no one knows. It was just a "cool" ending. And I hated it.
It seemed liek there were things that could have been explored that weren't and things that were irrelevant that were delved into for far too long.
But as I said, I need to watch it again, if for nothing else than some more yummy Trinityness.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It was a truce, and a rightful one, at that.
If we take "Animatrix" as canon (which we must do, since several of the shorts involve people or information used in "Reloaded") the world leaders had it coming, going all Vietnam and Auschwitz on the sovereign robot nation. I'm not saying we deserved eternal damnation and bondage, but we did "start it".
So, they promise to let all the minds go that want to, and we'll see how it goes from there.
Kind of a good deal, considering all we did was help them terminate one little faulty program. And considering a minute earlier, they were content with digging out every last man, woman and child to penetrate with large steel coils.
And it does leave it open for a sequel, albeit a few years from now. "How long do you think this peace will last?", said the Architect.
Well, you have continents of living computers and machines, and one small nation of settler humans beginning from the bottom, or maybe have already started rebuilding for several generations, if one does an "ALIEN 4" time jump. I've seen Anime-spinoffs with much weaker plot promises, managing to create something new and good anyway.
Also, I thought it was a nice touch with Trinity seeing the sun, it made an impact in the otherwise barren wasteland.
That reminds me, if the human-ships can float in free air and even escalate over cloud height, do they really classify as "hovercraft"? All forms of hovercraft rely on the surface or on water for support.
What do they call those things on Starfleet ships, the devices that make the ship stop or stand still? The pads on the Matrix-ships must be like those. Friction generators, or something. But then what makes them go forward or up? Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
About the time thing, one would think some of the Zion hackers could hack into regular Machine software not tied into the Matrix and just look at the chrono index. The Machines must have a concept of time and reference for it, although they probably don't measure it from the birth of Jesus Christ.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The machines would probably have records on how long it's been since they took over. Regardless of how they keep time, you'd think it would give the humans a decent idea of what year it actually is. They obviously can't get that info though, cause noone has a clue as to how long the Matrix has *really* been up and running.
There's one Animatrix short that supposedly takes place some years *after* Revolutions indicating that the peace didn't last all that long. At least not in the form it took at the end of the movie.
$ $ $ $ $ $ $ And I get the part about the machines and humans reaching a truce, but I don't understand what happened to Neo and Smith and how everything went back to the way it was except better. The closest I can figure is that the machines injected the Neo code into the Matrix and rebooted it, and since Smith had taken over everything, he was destroyed when everything rebooted. But I have no idea if that's right or not.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Aban Rune said: "There's one Animatrix short that supposedly takes place some years *after* Revolutions indicating that the peace didn't last all that long."
Are you referring to "Matriculated"?
"I don't understand what happened to Neo and Smith and how everything went back to the way it was except better. The closest I can figure is that the machines injected the Neo code into the Matrix and rebooted it, and since Smith had taken over everything, he was destroyed when everything rebooted. But I have no idea if that's right or not.
I see what you mean. Hopefully the book "Art of Revolutions" will set the record straight. Together with "Art of the Matrix" and "Art of Reloaded" it will be quite a bundle of information.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Obviously information that is much better presented in 20 dollar coffee table books than, say, in the movies themselves.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Actually it's mostly concept art, storyboards and such, not some sort of "last resort" to explain anything, but I think it will give a bit of a hint as to what the producers were trying to do.
I'm rooting for schematics and pics of the ships and exoskeletons.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: That reminds me, if the human-ships can float in free air and even escalate over cloud height, do they really classify as "hovercraft"? All forms of hovercraft rely on the surface or on water for support.
What do they call those things on Starfleet ships, the devices that make the ship stop or stand still? The pads on the Matrix-ships must be like those. Friction generators, or something. But then what makes them go forward or up?
I always figured them to either be some new more powerful type of electrostatic repulsor system or more likely an arcjet engine:
Arcjets For electrothermal propulsion systems to achieve exhaust velocities much higher than 10 000 ms-1, portions of the propellant flow must attain temperatures in excess of 10 000 K while being kept out of contact with the engine component walls. Arcjets accomplish this by passing the propellant through an electric arc that heats it before it expands through a nozzle.
Core arc temperatures of 10 000 to 20 000 K mean that exhaust velocities of 5000 - 6000 ms-1 (Isp = 500 - 600 s) at efficiencies of around 40% are possible using catalytically decomposed hydrazine.
Arcjet thrusters entered commercial use for north-south station keeping on the Telstar-4 series of geostationary communication satellites in 1993. Higher power arcjets providing sufficient thrust for orbit transfer or primary propulsion manoeuvres have been demonstrated on test flights but problems with electrode erosion and availability of sufficient electric power have delayed their introduction for operational missions. Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Bond quoted: "Arcjets accomplish this by passing the propellant through an electric arc that heats it before it expands through a nozzle."
You pose that the "electric arc" component might be what those ring-pads are? Interesting. One relevant observation is the attack on the Osiris, in Animatrix; after the sentinels had cut off the main starboard hoverpad-array, the Osiris started spinning clockwise and crashed into the ground.
So if the side-emitters work against some sort of "pushing"-action emmitted by the emitters on the opposite side, it must mean the whole levitation technique operates kind of like old chimney-sweep acrobatics. A sweep worked his way up a vertical tunnel by pushing his hands and feet outwards, pinning himself between the walls.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I've wondered how people are born. Does the matrix know when two people are having sex? My theory is the matrix creates a baby in the real world and alter the appearance of the women in the matrix to appear pregant. Then when the baby is born in the matrix the machine enters the real-world baby's mind in matrix.
Next I wonder what would happen if the timeline in the matrix were to continue and humans did the same thing over again by creating AI and a war with the machines within the matrix which lead to the creation of a matrix inside the matrix.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
My head hurts. Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
An interesting question would be why a person's Matrix self-image should match his actual physical form? I can't imagine why the machines would waste time on such a trivial matter (particularly since these people would, ideally, never be unplugged from the Matrix). Since a baby would simply be a replacement battery, it theoretically need not even be related biologically to its parents inside the Matrix. That could be one hell of a psychological blow to someone just released into the real world; just imagine someone who was a white supremacist in the Matrix waking up to find he's really black!
I also have a problem with the whole idea of human bodies providing the power for the machines. For one thing, the useful output of a person's biology (beyond that needed to keep the organism alive) can't be all that much. Given the general weakness of Neo's body when it was decanted, I think it's safe to say his muscles received little or no use during his life. This limits his energy output largely to body heat; I don't know about you, but I certainly can't heat my apartment in winter all by myself.
With a relatively small amount of net energy per person, the power station would need a lot of warm bodies to power even a single city. The question then becomes one of food supply. Even lying inert, there is a minimum amount of food required to keep the body alive. The problem with this scenario is the lack of sunlight. No sun means no photosynthesis, and the whole food chain collapses (to say nothing of the oxygen/carbon dioxide cycle). I know the first film said the people were fed on the liquified bodies of the dead, but I don't think the math adds up.
Here's an example. Assume you have all 6 billion people on earth plugged in, each with an average body weight of 65 kilos. Assume a caloric intake of 1000 calories per day per person, which can be gained from eating 354 grams of beef steak. That translates to 2.126 billion kilos of meat per day. At 65 kilos per person, that's the equivalent of 32.7 million dead bodies daily, assuming you consume the whole shebang. At that rate, you'd need to kill off nearly twice the population of the world each year to feed the people in the Matrix.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: Bond quoted: "Arcjets accomplish this by passing the propellant through an electric arc that heats it before it expands through a nozzle."
You pose that the "electric arc" component might be what those ring-pads are? Interesting. One relevant observation is the attack on the Osiris, in Animatrix; after the sentinels had cut off the main starboard hoverpad-array, the Osiris started spinning clockwise and crashed into the ground.
So if the side-emitters work against some sort of "pushing"-action emmitted by the emitters on the opposite side, it must mean the whole levitation technique operates kind of like old chimney-sweep acrobatics. A sweep worked his way up a vertical tunnel by pushing his hands and feet outwards, pinning himself between the walls.
Good example. Niobe's commands to Morpheus like "starboard 90%" would in effect be like the chimney sweep moving each foot up one at a time while simultaneously keeping pressure on the other hands and feet. You cycle one side of the pads up to make the turn but the other pads are still operating to keep the ship at a distance from the sides of the tunnel and in the air.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
quote:Originally posted by Woodside Kid: Here's an example. Assume you have all 6 billion people on earth plugged in, each with an average body weight of 65 kilos. Assume a caloric intake of 1000 calories per day per person, which can be gained from eating 354 grams of beef steak. That translates to 2.126 billion kilos of meat per day. At 65 kilos per person, that's the equivalent of 32.7 million dead bodies daily, assuming you consume the whole shebang. At that rate, you'd need to kill off nearly twice the population of the world each year to feed the people in the Matrix.
Now *my* head hurts.
Regarding a creation of AI within the Matrix, I think there's some of goverance in place on how far time and scientific advancement progresses in the Matrix. The still produce cool cars and sunglasses and things, but I doubt there are any developments of real substance.
There is obviously still poverty and business and the whole hustle and bustle, but I don't think anything every really happens.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
No, everything is just electron blips in the CPU....
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Obviously nothing that happens in the Matrix is real... I mean, from the perception of those plugged in, I don't think there are ever any real significant changes to life inside.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Also, all the people killed per year in accidents, weather shifts, diseases and homicide, that's a lot of bodies to just "flush out" on sheer principle. Imagine if some of the "liberated" people were to reinsert themselves, out of laziness. "Hey Biff, did you hear about that plane crash 10 blocks down? About a 1000 casualities... -Really?! Great, cuz I'm absolutely starving here!"
Da Woodside Kid! wrote: "An interesting question would be why a person's Matrix self-image should match his actual physical form?"
Because if they didn't, the audience would get Alzheimer's from trying to keep track of every actor looking totally different from their out-of-Matrix selves. People would lose bladder control in their seats, start talking to their dead relatives and claim they all were subject to incest as a child. We can't have that, can we?
Bond: "You cycle one side of the pads up to make the turn but the other pads are still operating to keep the ship at a distance from the sides of the tunnel and in the air."
Indeed, and when banking as hard as Niobe did, you would want as little resistance as possible from the pads that face the way you want to go. Also, the pads could shift position and rotation to a rather great extent, making for many exciting combinations. :.)
In a way, I'd have hoped the Matrix Universe had gotten a series with a four-season run. I would've liked to know what the ship's core is running on, how the Zion defenses work and what the tonnage, armor, max velocity and lifting force of the ships are.
For size-reference, here's a nice guide, courtesy of some cutting and pasting from the Matrix.com website. I assume that they are all the same scale. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Who's ship is the Mjolnir? Is that the ship that picked them up at the end of Reloaded? I thought Link said it was the Hammer.
Mjolnir... Hammer... kind of the same thing I suppose.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Indeed it was the pickup-ship in late "Reloaded".
Also the thing the heroes rode into Zion in, barely. It's the biggest and most heavily-armed of the four (haven't gotten a scale-comparison of the Osiris yet, she's a contender). It's got ten machineguns in nose- and shouldermounts alone. When I get money for the "Revolutions"-DVD, I'll find out more.
I believe the callname "Hammer" was just a verbal referral, kind of like how the USS Missouri was the "Big Mo". All the official sources brand the ship "Mjolnir", an anglicized form of Mj�lner, Thor's hammer.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I also have a problem with the whole idea of human bodies providing the power for the machines. For one thing, the useful output of a person's biology (beyond that needed to keep the organism alive) can't be all that much.
Well, according to thermodynamics the useful output energy of any system has to be less than the input. The whole concept made no sense, unless the machines had another reason for keeping us alive and just figured, hey, may as well use 'em for power while they're just sitting around.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
If I recall correctly the power-plant also involves "a form of fusion", I suppose that is meant to make up the difference. Also considering that there appears to be only one machine city and one Matrix power station indicates that the machines are limited by the ammount of humans they can sustain, which in turn limits the ammount of power the machines have.
It just occurred to me that if you consider the effects that the 'scorched sky' has on machines I think their motivation suddenly becomes comprehensible. They're effectively trapped, since they can't leave Earth and are limited by the capabilities of human-pod power, which has a habit of going haywire every century or so and with so much of their resources going into maintaining the humans and the Matrix it's no wonder that the machine world has become so internally oppressive and apparently stagnant. I think this answers a question that has bugged me ever since I saw Revolutions, that being why would the machine god keep to his word when he could easily have the sentinals slaughter Zion and start it all over again, after Neo defeated Smith.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
First of all, the machines turned to humans only after we had blackened the sky. They were kind of desperate, to say the least. Since they were at this point a sovereign nation, developing their own AI and technology at a high rate, they must've developed the tech to harness and use the energy of a human in the best possible way.
Secondly, as they were at some point able to start growing humans in crop fields, they must since long have had the ability to manipulate DNA or genes, to create the most "desirable" humans for the purpose in question. It was probably available even before the war, during man's second renaissance. Therefore what's to say they didn't modify the way humans radiate energy/heat? We breed animals for singular purposes all the time, creatures that wouldn't function in the wild. There's even talk about creating a race of pigs that have human hearts, which will then be harvested to ease the pressure on the organ market.
Remember also that the machines in "The Matrix" had the technology to put wires and coils into our bodies, in the spines and everything. A person may not be so warm on the outside, but on the inside we're usually, let's see, about 99�F. Perhaps the metal grid laced onto the skeleton and spine of the "copper-top" humans is what absorbs the energy, not the surrounding liquid or pod.
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
But the point is that there are much more efficient means of turning glucose into heat than the human body.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Means that don't involve glucose, even. A few ITER Mk. II (or III or IV or...) fusion reactors and the machines would be set for, uh, however long it would take for the atmosphere to regenerate itself, and then, uh, longer. The human battery deal just doesn't make sense from a physics POV.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"An interesting question would be why a person's Matrix self-image should match his actual physical form? I can't imagine why the machines would waste time on such a trivial matter (particularly since these people would, ideally, never be unplugged from the Matrix)."
What do you mean "waste time"? Having a scanner that determines what the person really looks like and makes their Matrix from look the same doesn't waste any time at all. On the other hand, having someone create a new Matrix body for each real body would be quite a waste.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Indeed. The human DNA variety guarantees more random and diverse faces than any CGI-program could.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim the Fanciful: In a way, I'd have hoped the Matrix Universe had gotten a series with a four-season run. I would've liked to know what the ship's core is running on, how the Zion defenses work and what the tonnage, armor, max velocity and lifting force of the ships are.
I believe the Wachowski's once said they were considering a series possibility though the costs involved would be prohibitive. An animated series would take a lot longer to make but would be cheaper. If they made something of the quality of "Second Rennaissance" though I would be happy.
Thanks for those floorplans of the ships. I knew the Logos was small and nimble but I didn't think it was that small. That's my favorite of the ships though.
Did you see the hover car in "Animatrix: Second Rennaissance - Part One" that used the same electric pads as the hoverships? Nice continuity there with the movies.
Posted by leuckinc (Member # 729) on :
No one has read the MATRIX comics have they.... They are Canon too!
Anyways, some good stories, blah blah blah...
The most intersting one is where the Machines breed a super human to act as a CPU for a space ship that is sent into space to attack an alien. Pretty cool. Go on matrix.com to find it. It should be there somewhere.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I know there's a graphic novel out there that has a bunch of stories in it. I keep meaning to pick it up as it has some pretty nifty artwork in it.
Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
I cannot tell you how much time passes in the Matrix, but I CAN tell you those last two movies felt like an eternity.
Did anybody notice that Neo = One? THAT is CLEVER.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
speakin of thing ididn know i saw the 3rd one and did u guys see that neo was spread like jesus was when he was killed on the cross? i was thinking that maybe neo is like the jesus of the real world?
Posted by Free ThoughtCrime America (Member # 480) on :
You can see Trin's nipple in the second one dude. her nips are big as silver dollars.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
When you two manbabies are done, maybe the discussion can continue, hm?
Aban, do you mean "Art Of The Matrix"? I've been meaning to order it, it can't be found in my usual sci-fi bookstore.
There's a new one coming out also, "Art of Reloaded/Revolutions", with paintings and sketches of the other hovercraft ships not seen, except the few glances in the big docking bay scene of "Reloaded" (Vishnu, Novalis, Ganesha, Icharus, Gnosis, Caduceus and Brahma).
Also, it's to have some more things on the "Machine-side", I believe.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Nim: No, that's not the one I'm talking about, though that looks well worth a looksee. I'm talking about a graphic novel with additional stories in it. One is told from the point of view of a guy who was approached by Morpheus and given an opportunity to leave the Matrix, but wussed out and took the blue pill. Now he's haunted by regret. I don't remember the name of the book, though.
Oh, and though I'm loathed to even comment on this... If you're talking about the way-too-long Trinity/Neo love scene in Zion, that's not her nipple. It's one of the ports on her chest. Sheesh.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
dude so i rubbed 1 off 2 her port?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
You can go now.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
I am just worried! It is like when you're all walking down the avenue and you see the long haired vixen on the corner, from the back, and you're all like "Hey hey, little lady!" And then your dream girl turns around and OH NO! It is a guy.
I'm not into all the cybermechanical fetishes, so I gotta cover all my bases.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
He's been here for years, Aban, but I'm starting to agree with you.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
Hey now.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I think that's the most coherent post you've made in recent memory.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
To be safe, you might try just not hitting on strange women on street corners and not beating off in front of the television.
Carrie Anne Moss is sacred. Don't defile her with masturbation humor.
Posted by worffan1990 (Member # 239) on :
I said nothing about beating off in front of the television. The only time I saw The Matrix Radishlutions was in theatres!
OH NO!
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Telling people in the row in front that you just spilled your ice cream gives you some chance of survival. Won't save you from me though.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
You could always cut the hole in the popcorn bucket.
Question: Do they still serve popcorn buckets anywhere? I get those newspaperlike square bags through which the 'butter topping' leaks through, right on my pants. I guess it could cover up potential semen leaks, but that would be crossing the line.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Er.
Um.
. . . As far as I'm aware, popcorn is still availablein buckets in the UK. Haven't had any popcorn in New Zealand so can't help you there.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Telling people in the row in front that you just spilled your ice cream gives you some chance of survival. Won't save you from me though.
Around here, telling people that you are the kind who spills his ice cream would be interpreted as you being a homosexual... Don't ask me why, I'm not sure where it comes from.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Nim: No, that's not the one I'm talking about, though that looks well worth a looksee. I'm talking about a graphic novel with additional stories in it. One is told from the point of view of a guy who was approached by Morpheus and given an opportunity to leave the Matrix, but wussed out and took the blue pill. Now he's haunted by regret. I don't remember the name of the book, though.
It's called "The Matrix Comics" and you can buy the 12 stories as an anthology. The one you are referring to is by Ted McKeever.
quote:Originally posted by Lee: Telling people in the row in front that you just spilled your ice cream gives you some chance of survival. Won't save you from me though.
Do you regularly look for people masturbating in cinemas, and then punish them?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I would join them, or punish them.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm still curious as to what "popcorn topping" is. Does Canada have sweet popcorn, like over here, or does it just have the horrible, horrible salted kind, which is horrible?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Of course, the only reason he doesn't like salted popcorn is because he's a poor student and can't afford to buy both the salty snack in question and a thirst-quenching drink when he visits the multiplex.
Hmm, salty snack. Is it just me or does that sound quite naughty? 8)
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
I don't know, what does Kate think? B)
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
That's for me to know, and you to obsess about late at night in your cold, lonely bed. }B)
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Psyliam, you're a heathen. I thought the US were the only ones with candied popcorn. And that extra-heartstopper butter poured over the popcorn at the last second.
I would never eat candied popcorn, the only time I tried it it tasted like "Rice Krispies" or Snap, Crackle and Pop. Popcorns are supposed to be salted, like chips/crisps. If both the soda and the popcorn is sweet there's no harmony, like with pancakes and black coffee. No wonder so many of you yanks and brits throw up every time there's a "Braindead" or "Kill Bill", you're just waiting for an excuse to dump all the liquid syrup filling your gut.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Oh, great. Thank you so fucking much, Blair and Bush. Now the whole bloody world is linking us together. . .
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
You can run all the way to Kiwiland but never escape the long arm of syrup.
Conversely, 60 days left to IKEA-Xtravaganzer. Ride the walrus.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Oh, come on, no-one ever has the salted popcorn. It's not a question of choice, it's a question of flavour.
I've never seen the butter being poured all over it though. That would be horrible.
And crisps aren't suppossed to be salted. They are suppossed to be flavoured. Prawn Cocktail, or Cheese and Onion, or Marmite. But not just salted. That's boring.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Dude, English food sounds totally as bad as the TV sitcoms have told me.
TV, before I realized that TV, Pizza and Buttered Popcorn made children fat.
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