Hi Guy and Gals I have been watching this last season of Ron Moores alterative universe Battlestar Galactic and I am grudgingly starting to like it, which I never thought I would. I have seen the episode with Rich Hatch in them and I was just wondering if anybody else from the normal universe Galactic will make any cameos on the show? Anybody knows if Dirk Benedict or Herb Jefferson Jr. will show up in the future? Sorry if this has been ask before but I am a very late comer to Ron Moores alterative universe Battlestar. Pw
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Dirk Benedict will likely never be on the show. His feeling on the new Battlestar Galatica are pretty well-known, and he's really pissed off Katee Sackhoff with some of the stuff he's said. So, it's probably never going to happen.
Posted by Pwesty (Member # 1035) on :
Really! From what I have seen I thought that he was ok with it all. Could anybody tell me what he has said about BG and what has gotten him hot water. Thanks
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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
I like the NuBSG, but he does have a point. I'm tired of the formlas, the remakes and so forth.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: He has a point.
I like the NuBSG, but he does have a point. I'm tired of the formlas, the remakes and so forth.
just one former -has been- actor's opinion, sir. What he says DOESN"T matter much....
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I can understand his thoughts, being the one that 'created' Starbuck originally and not wanting to see change, to that extreme, occur. Although it seems his issue is with the stupidity of everyone trying to be so PC on everything, with the money grubbing of the 'suits' following closely behind.
I also agree on the lack of imagination in Hollywood, these remakes are getting out of hand, as are sequels, come on, Final Destination 3? Unfortunately this only goes to show the the vast majority of people are brain dead and lack the ability to think in the box, let alone outside of it. Blood, gore, and sex are what sells, character driven plots will fade more and more till we are left with little more than Faces of Death and XXX movies, and these will be the cartoons.
Ah, well, this is just one person's opinion and doesn't matter, since I do not join in with the rest of the flock.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I'm totally on the fence with nuBSG -- and it's pointy. One the one hand, I keep holding onto the fading hope that Richard Hatch will somehow get permission to bring forth his Second Coming project. Not a sequel of BSG, but a continuation.
On the other hand, I know what nuBSG might have been, had the Todd Moyer/Glen Larson project not been mercifully taken behind the shed and shot. *shudder*
So in the end, the only way I can happily watch nuBSG is if I do my best to forget that it's supposed to be BSG.
--Jonah
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Not to go all nerd jihad, but I don't even get it. I mean, do we really need the fun prefixes anymore? There's Battlestar Galactica, which is totally awesome, and then there is a goofy show from the 1970s that happened to inspire it. It's like getting bent out of shape because no one talks about the Articles of Confederation anymore.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I gotta agree. I totally respect the original, but when you mention BSG to the SF fan these days, the overwhelming majority will think of - and geenerally think HIGHLY of - the current series.
Mark
Posted by Pwesty (Member # 1035) on :
I have to again grudgingly agree with you on that statement. But I wish that Moore would have been just a little more loyal to the original namely on the design of the new Battlestar. I have never like the design of the ship or the bridge area in the new ship, the design of the bridge and the design of the original Battlestar are classic and well done but that is my 2 cents on the matter. Pw
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I like the look of the current BSG, sleek and powerful, and not all 1970s cold war battleship inside and out). Again, the original was good - but it's dated. I do NOT see anyone coming up with a ship like that in a modern-day show.
I *don't* like the CIC either, but you gotta admit, it MAKES SENSE. And I'm sure that the folks who work in an aircraft carrier's CIC will agree. It ain't glam, but it works like it should.
Mark
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I agree that the CIC makes sense, but I have one question: Who STEERS Galactica? We seem to have answered this question on the Pegasus, but I don't remember anyone doing the same on Galactica.
B.J.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Not to go all nerd jihad, but I don't even get it. I mean, do we really need the fun prefixes anymore? There's Battlestar Galactica, which is totally awesome, and then there is a goofy show from the 1970s that happened to inspire it. It's like getting bent out of shape because no one talks about the Articles of Confederation anymore.
Word.
Also, Dirk Benedict is a petrified, anti-feminist relic** who can't get over the fact that someone happens to be portraying a new character with the same name as his. Which is really what this whole discussion boils down to. Ron Moore took the original premise and a few of the starting character points, and took them in a completely new direction. Richard Hatch had the guts to realize that a well-written drama with an interesting character was worth swallowing his ego for, and now he's got a solid recurring role with an excellent storyline.
My thoughts on the original BSG are quite simple: it had some interesting premises, had some interesting angles, but was so incredibly cheesy that despite enjoying the episodes I did watch, I can't bring myself to go out of the way to watch more of them. The last episode I saw, "Fire In Space", was just so incredibly bad that I completely understand why Moore wrote that internal fire scene for the miniseries (when the Cylon nuke hit the Galactica) � to bring some real science and physics and sensibility to what used to be a very poorly-thought-out show. Just turn a key, decompress the burning sections, and be done with it. Why did it take the full damn hour for seasoned space veterans (as they were supposed to be) to figure that out?
I don't want to sound like a fanboy or a basher, but the fact remains that the original show, for all its merits, never seemed to think the entire concept through. From simple stuff like the Cylons "destroying" the colonies with strafing laser fire, to the silly notion that a mere three days after the whole thing, everyone's already smiling and clean and happy at a party? The whole thing was just half-baked � at least in retrospect. (We all view past works through the goggles of our own times, of course. Just like the original Star Trek, we can't entirely judge its style and say it was wrong to make the show.) Moore felt he was capable of doing a more dramatic and realistic story to tell a relevant and riveting military, political, cultural, and personal drama... and he has succeeded, brilliantly.
** Note: I certainly don't subscribe to the extremes that the term feminism usually refers to these days, but Benedict's views are nothing less than reactionary.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Folks have been fighting over Galactica's incarnations for years now - but the original series fans seem to have petered down to a shrinking number of increasingly embittered people. Same thing happened when TNG hit the screen, and that passed as well (albeint much more quietly, thanks to a lack of internetting). Anyway, whole websites have imploded over the fighting, so I'd rather not extend that outside of the flameboard on this one. The vast majority here love the new series and respect the old, which suits me just fine.
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: I agree that the CIC makes sense, but I have one question: Who STEERS Galactica? We seem to have answered this question on the Pegasus, but I don't remember anyone doing the same on Galactica.
B.J.
This was shown in the miniseries. There are four helmsmen in CIC, occupying the middle section of the "ampthitheatre" seating on one side of the room. Each seat has a control yoke and specialized controls, which we can't really see from the main places they put the cameras on the floor level. Anwyay, the introductory description for the miniseries read something like each of the helmsmen held primary control over one of the four main attitude control thruster clusters, as well as shared control of the main engines. FTL is a seperate position in CIC and doesn't have much to do directly with moving the ship STL, and Gaeta handles that along with his navigational duties.
EDIT: This confirms most of what I said and changes a little bit too.
I don't understand Benedict's reaction now, especially since he and Katee met at a Starbucks (heh) before filming the miniseries. From what I remember, he basically gave her the "welcome aboard" speech. Wish I could find a link about that.
B.J.
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Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
quote: I don't want to sound like a fanboy or a basher, but the fact remains that the original show, for all its merits, never seemed to think the entire concept through. From simple stuff like the Cylons "destroying" the colonies with strafing laser fire, to the silly notion that a mere three days after the whole thing, everyone's already smiling and clean and happy at a party? The whole thing was just half-baked � at least in retrospect. (We all view past works through the goggles of our own times, of course. Just like the original Star Trek, we can't entirely judge its style and say it was wrong to make the show.)
I think that's the key here. We're judging a 1979 show based on our current perceptions and viewpoints. You have to put the original BSG in it's proper context, and that includes the mindset that SciFi was for children and, at the timeslot it was shown in, certain sanitizing had to take place to appease the censors.
Additionally the show starred Lorne Greene. There's a certain mindset from the get-go that the show would promote wholesome entertainment and not focus on the dark underbelly of society.
Which the new show is embracing. Rapes, torture, various hard-core vices, death, destruction... These are ugly factors of our times and the show reflects that.
Additionally, you really can't tell a show like this without giving attention to some of the darker undertones. These people are fleeing the devasation of their entire civilization. There are bound to be some dark repurcussions.
You can't tell a show like this without hilighting the starvation, lack of supplies, overcrowding, and the traumatic stress that is associated with such a holocost.
And some of this we've not even seen yet. Supplies have been mentioned, but we've not really seen any of the disease or starvation. No overcrowding issues. Not really much in the way of post-traumatic stress. No real rage, alienation or guilt (except for Starbuck and Apollo). Not much in the way of suicidal thoughts (again, excpet for Apollo). The stresses should be felt by everyone.
Moving on...
quote:I have to again grudgingly agree with you on that statement. But I wish that Moore would have been just a little more loyal to the original namely on the design of the new Battlestar. I have never like the design of the ship or the bridge area in the new ship, the design of the bridge and the design of the original Battlestar are classic and well done but that is my 2 cents on the matter. Pw
I like the design of the ship and the sets. Well, the design of the Galactica has grown on me. I didn't like it at first. I really dig the Pegasus, but that's because it looks like the original.
I do like the internal layout. I like the feel the sets give off. It looks realistic.
But there is a lot I wish Moore and Co. would have taken from the original.
I don't like how everyone looks like they just stepped off of a plane from New York or LA. Everyone looks too much like modern day society in dress and grooming.
While the robes may have been passe, I liked how different than modern society the clothing on the original BSG looked.
Additionally the effort made to use different terms for distance and time. Oh, sure, they really could have been better (the Cylons were 5 microns away... 5 microns? We can't even see a distance that small). At least they tried. Centars, Yarens...
(Side note: Farscape did a good job of using different terms and being consistent with how they were used).
And shame on Ron Moore for getting Triad and Pyramid mixed up. Tsk Tsk Tsk...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Additionally the show starred Lorne Greene. There's a certain mindset from the get-go that the show would promote wholesome entertainment and not focus on the dark underbelly of society.
Y'know, that's a little tidbit that I know I knew before, but I always seem to forget. It's a very valid point that shows that the original show and the remake were always intended for very different directions and audiences.
However, even by that measure, I still believe that the whole concept of a "destruction of Human society" premise was therefore inappropriate from the get-go. If they couldn't address the issues, they shouldn't have done it at all.
The best way to sum up my feelings:
quote:Apollo: Dr. Ravishol, your worker clones have secretly been having children. Ravishol: Impossible! They are all under strict orders to obey Straczynski's Law -- "No cute kids or robots, ever!" Boxey: (out of sight) Muffit! Come back here! Muffit: (out of sight) Yap yap yap! Ravishol: Exactly who and what was that? Apollo: Nobody and nothing. Just ignore them.
I can't say I exactly miss Boxey on the current show, but I really loved his few scenes in the early part of the season. Especially when he was being corrupted by Starbuck. Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Tigh: "Where's your mother?" Boxey: "Dead. Where's yours?"
I did love that scene. More than just for the sarcasm. Boxey's comment highlighted the devastating consequences of the attack. Whole families were ripped apart with survivors losing spouses, children, parents, siblings, etc...
That's an avenue the show could have explored except hasn't. Everyone semes to have adjusted fairly well over the last nine months.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
They have?
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: It's like getting bent out of shape because no one talks about the Articles of Confederation anymore.
Well, come on, those things did rock. These days it's just constitution this, constitution that. The Articles were far more in line with the original ideals of the founders anyway...
Posted by Bones McCoy (Member # 1480) on :
Everyone smokes on the new Galactica.
....
I like that.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
The image of a male Starbuck smoking cigars now seems more jarring than that of a female one does. The idea of a woman smoking cigars is, well, I don't know how to describe it - saucy? But a young man smoking cigars, you just think "You're trying too hard!"
Posted by bX (Member # 419) on :
It's a little bit sad. As is Dirk Benedict's post. I was secretly hoping he'd make a guest appearance, but it would seem that bridge is burnt. Faceman's makes some good points (re: overbleak + teh sexxors + the case for roguish swanks), and I didn't realize it'd been such a struggle for Starbuck to be such a 'chauvinist' rogue, but I don't know that making Starbuck a girl is really the afront to masculinity he makes it out to be. If you're going to take gender equality seriously and have really competent girls fighting side by side with dudes on the show, one of the original series principles was going to have to be cast differently.
As I understand it there is apparently this whole Mormon underpinning to the orginal series which (not really knowing much of anything about mormonism) I missed. But anyway that might explain some of the hinkiness.
I do like the original series, and I felt like that original pilot episode showed a lot of promise. But there were some just terrible episodes and there was an awful lot of fluff in there. I for one was relieved to find the new series didn't re-tread that well-worn ground.
People are going to criticize, whatever, but I'm not sure drawing unflattering comparisons to the original series is really all that relevant. Or relevant to whether this is a good show. Certainly ship-design, costume and set differences are fairly cosmetic details which may have disappointed personal expectations, but I think there are plenty of thematic disparities from the original series which might take precedence. Like it seems that pretty much any beautiful or innocent thing on the show is inevitably going to be shit upon and then betrayed. ($$$$$ NuBSG 2nd season spoiler-y in next sentence!!!!) Billy Keikeya we hardly knew ye. And while it was necessary to get away from the (literal) puppy-hugging in the original series, I do feel like the new series doesn't have to ALWAYS feel like we're all swimming in the Trainspotting toilet. Maybe just that if you really want to show ugliness, you need to have a little beauty for contrast. And so this would be my example of a critcism of the new show which while it might harken to the original isn't saying the new one is bad because it's different.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
I'm not sure where any Mormon stuff might play in but I always wondered if the OBG's use of the Egyptian motif in some stuff was the seed idea that brought about Stargate.
The original series did have promise but TV shows just were NOT that sophisticated in the 80's. We're talking Magnum, A-team, Charlie's Angels, Buck Rogers era here. I see Babylon 5 as an example of the way the OBG could have been made, as a streaming storyline actually heading somewhere. Instead we got that era's version of continuity. BTW...does anyone remember how Baltar in the OBG ended up commanding a Basestar?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Wiz: Baltar betrayed Humanity because he wanted the Cylons to spare his colony only and set him up as Supreme Ruler. The Cylons, naturally, had no interest in sparing any Humans at all. They were getting ready to execute Baltar when the Galactica and the RTF escaped, and they decided they needed his experience to help them hunt the fleet down. So they set him up with that silly-yet-creepy-looking Imperious Leader.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by WizArtist II: I'm not sure where any Mormon stuff might play in but I always wondered if the OBG's use of the Egyptian motif in some stuff was the seed idea that brought about Stargate.
The original series did have promise but TV shows just were NOT that sophisticated in the 80's. We're talking Magnum, A-team, Charlie's Angels, Buck Rogers era here. I see Babylon 5 as an example of the way the OBG could have been made, as a streaming storyline actually heading somewhere. Instead we got that era's version of continuity. BTW...does anyone remember how Baltar in the OBG ended up commanding a Basestar?
Meh, for you Peon Pussies who think Oldschool BG is still 'good', think about this:
OBG-Baltar was the seed idea that brought about Cobra Commander, The Iron Fist guy (and the cat) from Inspecter Gaget, Megatron and Starscream (Once Transformers went formulatic), KATT & all the other formulaic loser Poser villains on TV. To even think otherwise....
you didn't see good believable villains (on TV at least) until TNG's later seasons and, of course, Babbleononononononon 5
Though i'm sure our Jason would agree Jason of Star Command should get a second look Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pensive's Wetness: you didn't see good believable villains (on TV at least) until TNG's later seasons and, of course, Babbleononononononon 5
What about good ol' Khan?
quote: Though i'm sure our Jason would agree Jason of Star Command should get a second look
Hmmm... I remember they showed one single episode of that series around here, and then never again...
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by bX: It's a little bit sad. As is Dirk Benedict's post. I was secretly hoping he'd make a guest appearance, but it would seem that bridge is burnt. Faceman's makes some good points (re: overbleak + teh sexxors + the case for roguish swanks), and I didn't realize it'd been such a struggle for Starbuck to be such a 'chauvinist' rogue, but I don't know that making Starbuck a girl is really the afront to masculinity he makes it out to be. If you're going to take gender equality seriously and have really competent girls fighting side by side with dudes on the show, one of the original series principles was going to have to be cast differently.
Hmmm... too bad, I didn't know Benedict had later had such a reaction. Though I'll concede him a few points...
Gender equality? That's an oxymoron, if they were equal there wouldn't be any gender differences at all in the first place. The proper talk should be of gender balance instead. Heck, there aren't two people in the whole planet who are equal. I doubt people could be considered 'equal' other than in legal/juridic terms. Oh, well, let's not get sidetracked...
Personally, I don't think that turning Starbuck into a female version of the original is bad; instead, it would have been bad if they had kept him a man and made him a lousy incompetent coward with some woman having to come to his rescue every other episode...
I liked the original series back then when I saw it around 1980 - I was 11 or 12 years old then. I like the new series nowadays. I'd day it's a show for people who watched the original as children back then and have grown up since. Of course, those who are still expecting it to be a kiddies' show are going to be disappointed...
[ March 08, 2006, 01:10 PM: Message edited by: machf ]
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: They have?
Starbuck seemed more distraught over leaving Caprica the second time and leaving Anders behind than anything else.
On the other hand, she was pretty much "screw this" when she returned to Caprica and had time to stop by her old apartment (cue Barenaked Ladies...)
Apollo had his spacewalk episode where he didn't want to come back.
But outside of those two instances, we've not really seen anyone break down or lose it over their current situation. Roslin, Adama, everyone seems to have adjusted just fine to living inside a spaceship, breathing recycled air, having little to no privacy, constantly harassed by Cylons and not maybe never setting foot on a planet again in their lifetime.
Perhaps I've gone a bit too far, however. What was her name, Cat? She was sturng out on drugs. Geata had his moment in B'ers "confessional," Roslin struggled to save the sacred scrolls and cried on Kobol, there was a food riot on the Gideon and extremists blew up part of a ship/held hostages.
Maybe I'm wanting a bit too much.
quote:As I understand it there is apparently this whole Mormon underpinning to the orginal series which (not really knowing much of anything about mormonism) I missed. But anyway that might explain some of the hinkiness
It only explains the "hinkiness" (I thought you said hickness) in the sense that Mormons promote strong family values and the original Battlestar was a wholesome family show.
The Mormon influence is this: The Hebrews (Moses decendants) were divided into 12 tribes. Their nation was devasted by the Babylonians in 607 BCE. According to Mormon belief, a 13 tribe survived the destruction, made their way across the Atlantic and settled in North America.
In addition Mormon belief also includes Kobol (well, spelled Kolob) and Iblis.
quote:I'm not sure where any Mormon stuff might play in but I always wondered if the OBG's use of the Egyptian motif in some stuff was the seed idea that brought about Stargate.
The Egyption motif was inspired by Erich von DCniken and his book "Chariots of the Gods." Erich von D�nikenon D�niken theorized/proposed/religiously believed that the Egyptians and others were visited by "ancient astronauts" from another world. These aliens uplifted, so to speak, ancient man
quote:OBG-Baltar was the seed idea that brought about Cobra Commander, The Iron Fist guy (and the cat) from Inspecter Gaget, Megatron and Starscream (Once Transformers went formulatic), KATT & all the other formulaic loser Poser villains on TV. To even think otherwise..
What? The idea that a villian turns on his own kind (or master, or creator) comes from the original Baltar? What about the Biblical Judas Iscariot or the American Revolutionary Benedict Arnold? What about Dr. Who's the Master?
A cheesy show from 1979 being the inspiration for all the cheesy traitors that came after it? Oh, please..
Re: Buck Rogers (the 1980s version) and Knight Rider (KATT, the villian mentioned above). Both these shows were created by Glen Larson, creator of the original Battlestar Galactica. Of course there are similarities.
Jason of Star Command was a great Saturdy Morning series.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It seems to me that nearly everyone on the show has freaked out or broken down at one time or another, and then the chief spoiler and spoiler. (Redacted for safety's sake, but you know what I mean.)
I like how Larson liked the Cylon eye so much he reused it.
Also, what's this nonsense I hear about Magnum P.I. being unsophisticated?
Posted by Pwesty (Member # 1035) on :
Hey Guys I was just wondering how Larson fells about his show being used by Moore? I know that I have seen his name in the opening credits, but is he really doing anything with the show or are they just using his name Thanks
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm not sure "using" his name is the right context. He has some rights to the property, and thus gets a credit (and I would imagine a check).
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Re: Buck Rogers (the 1980s version) and Knight Rider (KATT, the villian mentioned above).
I guessed that might be a reference to Knight Rider... but it was called KARR, the Knight Armored Roving Robot (or something like that). KATT had me wondering if it was from some series I never saw...
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I REMEMBER THAT!!!
*hee*
Peter Cullen is my favourite voice actor, and he was the voice of KARR.
John Colicos intentionally played Baltar (and Kor) as old-fashioned, over-the-top, moustache-twirling villains. Some bad guys (Stalin, Hussein, McCarthy, Kruschev...) really are like that.
I liked the implication that the original Galactica took a long time to build and had been in service for centuries. I liked that kind of unquestioned dynastic feel to the upper echelons of command in the original BSG.
I rather like that we have the new Starbuck, but Sheba was just as kickass in the original series -- albeit not as fucked in the head. I'd like Starbuck to have remained male, and Jolly to have had some more time for us to grow attached to him (and the familiarity of the name) before he got whacked. I like what they did with Boomer, but I didn't like that they "demoted" her to a Raptor. Although, if they hadn't, the whole Helo thing might have been a little harder. I know the pilots are theoretically able to fly both, but I've never seen Helo, Boomer, Racetrack, or any other Raptor pilots in a Viper...
I also liked the Klingon- or Vulcan-ish use of single names in the original series. Yeah, they have family/house names, but those aren't needed for the show's purposes. Helped add to the exoticness.
And, of course, I'm still cruching on Rigel a lot more than Dualla.
--Jonah
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Several years ago, I was watching Sci-Fi's rerun of BG1980 (I know, but it was the only thing on). It was a Halloween episode, and a Cylon had just been picked up by some partygoers as a hitchhiker. I nearly fell over laughing when I realized that the driver was the voice of KITT, and he had this red Cylon eye going back and forth behind him.
B.J.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I'm not sure if they actually filmed her in the cockpit, but Boomer did indeed fly a Viper in the miniseries, for the flyby during the decommissioning ceremony. It was in the dialogue where the doomed CAG replaced the brig-bound Starbuck in the demonstration formation, and then introduced Apollo. ("Did they kiss your ass to your satisfaction, sir?")
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
quote:Originally posted by machf:
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: Re: Buck Rogers (the 1980s version) and Knight Rider (KATT, the villian mentioned above).
I guessed that might be a reference to Knight Rider... but it was called KARR, the Knight Armored Roving Robot (or something like that). KATT had me wondering if it was from some series I never saw...
It was KITT.... Knight Industries Two Thousand.... By your Lube.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
Are you implying that KITT was actually the cheesy villain on the show?
To the best of my knowledge, the cheesy villain (the "original version" - something a la Lore vs. Data) was called KARR.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: I'm not sure if they actually filmed her in the cockpit, but Boomer did indeed fly a Viper in the miniseries, for the flyby during the decommissioning ceremony. It was in the dialogue where the doomed CAG replaced the brig-bound Starbuck in the demonstration formation, and then introduced Apollo. ("Did they kiss your ass to your satisfaction, sir?")
Rrriight... we may not have seen her, but she did fly one, then. I guess Raptor pilots are qualified to fly Vipers, but someone has still to man those Raptors. Remind me, was Flattop a Raptor or a Viper pilot (and what about all the others who died or were injured with him)? I'm under the impression that, until then, the more senior officers were flying Vipers, the junior ones being assigned to the Raptors.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
KARR - Knight Automoated Roving Robot
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: Several years ago, I was watching Sci-Fi's rerun of BG1980 (I know, but it was the only thing on). It was a Halloween episode, and a Cylon had just been picked up by some partygoers as a hitchhiker. I nearly fell over laughing when I realized that the driver was the voice of KITT, and he had this red Cylon eye going back and forth behind him.
B.J.
I saw that recently, I seem to remember the Cylon getting into a fight with a microwave at some point.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
quote: I guess Raptor pilots are qualified to fly Vipers, but someone has still to man those Raptors.
Given that Apollo is also qualified in a Raptor, it seems to imply that all pilots are qualified in all craft, or at least these two which seem to be the predominant ships. So this, at least, is one element which is different from our real world militaries.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, that isn't much of a sample. And I suspect that the differences between a Raptor and a Viper are less than those between, say, an F-16 and an E-3 Sentry, which Raptors seem to have some operational similarities with, though the design is based more on an Apache or something.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: Several years ago, I was watching Sci-Fi's rerun of BG1980 (I know, but it was the only thing on). It was a Halloween episode, and a Cylon had just been picked up by some partygoers as a hitchhiker. I nearly fell over laughing when I realized that the driver was the voice of KITT, and he had this red Cylon eye going back and forth behind him.
William Daniel was in that ep? Damn. I was never able to force myself to sit through a single episode of that series, except for "The Return of Starbuck". It's like Vogon poetry. But I'll make the effort for that one.
Got to meet and talk to KITT about fifteen years ago at Universal Studios. It was pretty neat.
--Jonah
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
As for the flight qual thing, on the OS, pilots trained as shuttle pilots first, before advanced training. Same thing may hold true here, just insert the Raptor in there, too. i.e., shuttle pilots may not be qualified to pilot vipers, but Raptor pilots would be qualified to pilot shuttles. The next question is -- which do the Colonial fleet feel the more difficult craft to master in combat, the Raptor or the Viper?
--Jonah
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Then of course there's the opening of every A-team where a Cylon walks by and Dirk makes the gun sign.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I always saw that as a "wait, do I know him" kind of double-ake. Like coming face-to-face (hah!) with something out of a dream... or another life (double hah!).
--Jonah
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Yeah, it's more like he's about to say something like "Do I know you from somewhere?" but then decides against it.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
A bit late but I should probably point out that Boomer was in a Raptor during the flyby in the mini-series. The bit of dialog which has been reffered to was her hailing Apollo after the demonstration, when he split to escourt CH-798 back to Caprica (I think). Boomer was in her raptor, flying with a squadron of Mk-7s the whole time, the same squadron that gets wiped out by the cylon virus. That's not to say Raptor pilots can't fly Vipers, more likely the Raptor is a difficult beast to fly, so those who are qualified are considered specialists, like say helicopter pilots and so aren't about to be put on the fighter rotation.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
As much as the Vipers/Raptors are supposed to have a Fighter/Helicopter analogy to them, they are still spacecraft, and as such, would be flown much more similarly than a fighter and a helicopter would be. It seems pretty reasonable that either all pilots are qualified in both and choose or are assigned a specialty track, or (my preference) all pilots learn to fly shuttles, the good ones then progress onto Raptors, and the exceptional ones out of those graduate to Vipers.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Or the Raptor crews are specially trained in navigation, communications and sensor systems (DRADIS) which I have to belive involves a little more than pushing the right buttons and a little long division. These things are, after all analogous to AWACs and seam to be responsible for supporting a large number of fighters (see mini-series.)
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
Well, the backseat position maybe. But the actual pilot's chair would be separate, I would think. Yeah, we've seen pilots working the sensor equipment, but that's more likely a product of any pilot knowing the ins and outs of their craft.
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