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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
In SG1: "Thor's Hammer" we come across a device that the Asgard named Thor created to remove Goa'uld parasites from their hosts. In SG1: "Thor's Chariot" Thor is finally contacted in person, and he rebuilds this hammer which was destroyed in "Thor's Hammer."

In SGA: The Intruder, Col. Caldwell is infested with a Goa'uld and nearly succeeds in destroying Atlantis. We're informed at the end of the ep that Hermiod is using Asgard beaming technology to remove the parasite, and it's connoted that this is kind of dangerous, and very difficult. ...Did Thor lose the blueprints to the Hammer or something? Surely Hermiod has a more efficient, less dangerous way of removing the Goa'uld...he doesn't have to rebuild the Hammer, after all, just something that removes a Goa'uld (and not something that detects, transports, traps, and then selectively removes only Goa'ulds and not others).

I suppose it could very easily just be that Hermiod is the only Asgard in the galaxy, and he's making do with what he has aboard the Daedalus in Pegasus, but it really would've been nice to have at least mentioned the Hammer.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Prahaps further testing of Thor's "hammer" revealed the unfortunate side effect of incurable jock-itch and Col. Caldwell left strict instructions forsuch adevice not to be used on him...

Or Hermiod (Hemroid?) just is not smart enough to build the Hammer and was too proud to reveal it to the lowly humans.
 

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Posted by Zipacna (Member # 1881) on :
 
In "Thor's Hammer", the ex-Goa'uld woman who I can't remember the name of said something about a "battle of minds", or words to that effect, while in the hammers - as if there's still a fight between the host and parasite, and the weaks minds will go down with the Goa'uld as it were. At least that's the impression I got.
Maybe they just doubted the ability of Caldwell's mind to be strong enough.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Or Asgard tech is more advanced now (I imagine the replicator war drove them forward a bit) than it was when the hammer was installed and the precision required to beam it out isn't as difficult for them to do as Rodney thinks. They are Asgard after all, that still has to count for something.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Or perhaps the Hammer uses specialized technology, not just your basic Asgard transporter, that wasn't installed on the Daedalus, and Hermiod was stuck working with the metaphorical equivalent of stone knives and bear skins.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Then why the rush? They could just fly back to the Milky Way, where they could extract him there by Asgard method, or by Tok'ra method (which they've done safely at least twice with Klorel and Osiris).

I'm guessing Hermiod just wants to show off by saying he's doing something REALLY REALLY dangerous, so they like him more.

Mark
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Yeah, but wasn't there a threat that the Goa'uld would kill Caldwell? I thought they were rushing in order to pretend that they were going to meet his demands, then quickly extract the symbiote before it could kill him.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
I think what's been said about Thor's Hammer is a bit misremembered. What *I* remember is that the Hammer is a device that instantly beams any being it detects as a Goa'Uld into this cave that it cannot escape without killing itself. In order for the host to leave, the Goa'Uld has to willingly separate itself from the host. In other words, the Hammer doesn't remove the parasite itself.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
That's part of it. But remember there was that hammer-shaped passageway that was the way they had to exit to get out of the cave network. And THAT was the technology that actually killed the symbiote, IIRC. That was how what's-her-name came out alive.
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
But didn't the symbiote have to give up, or kill the host whie fighting to get through the hammer? what's-her-name's worm gave up and let her live.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
The giving up part meant walking through the arch knowing it's going to die, or rather thinking it could overcome the Asgard technology. Which is why the Unas was still possesed, it hybernated and occasionally snacked on any other host that appeared.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
In retrospect, kind of a poorly designed system. Why not beam the pair right into the Goa'uld zapper, or simply build it around the stargate?
 

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Depends on how the protected planet treaty was written.
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
I, too, thought that the hammer-shaped opening simply killed all those who carried Goa'uld within - host/Jaffa and worm alike. Theoretically, a way to purge the worm from Sha're; practically, perhaps not, if it really requires the worm volunteering to leave.

The Asgard answering machine says "Only the host can leave this place... alive". Teal'c then speculates that if he tries to leave, his worm will be destroyed - one possible interpretation, but a baseless one, really.

The wizard Kendra uses the expressions "drove it from my body" and "drives it out of [Teal'c]". Some literal-mindedness should be expected from these primitive folks: probably the worm physically came out. And the "battle of wills" may have been fought over whether the worm would come out or not.

We only see the machine work once, and we can't really tell what it does to the Unas and its Goa'uld, except that the Goa'uld is gone as the result. Kendra has an "exit wound" larger than the usual "entry wounds" in her neck; the Unas of course has dozens of wounds all around...

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
The woman's name was Kendra. As I recall she did say that there was a battle of wills, but I thought she was talking about when the symbiote was beginning to give up, realizing its situation was hopeless. They killed the Unas by shoving it through, and its Goa'uld died, and therefore it died from its wounds - at the beginning of the adventure Teal'c informed Jack that with a Goa'uld, an Unas was virtually indesctructible. Also, Teal'c would die if he went through, because his symbiote keeps him alive. Kendra survived because her Goa'uld was killed and she lived. The funny thing is, in the ep (can't recall the name) where they find Sha're on Abydos bearing the Harcesis, nobody even once suggests taking her to the Hammer.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Writer's oversight, to be sure - but if you think about it, taking a hostile and dangerous Goa'uld through that labyrinth may not be the safest thing to do - especially since you don't know what other creepy crawlies would be lurking around...

Mark
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
But at the time, Sha're was herself - her Goa'uld was 'hibernating' to protect the child.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Heh, that's right. Well, reading the synopsis, it's in the middle of the episode that they actually DO think to take Sha're to Earth, but Heru'ur arrives before they can leave. It's not really discussed what they'll do with her after they go home, is it? And in any case, Amaunet would only be asleep while Sha're was pregnant, and there would be no telling when labour would set it. We COULD still go with the hammer, but we get back to the notion of crawling through a dark and dank dungeon with either a) a nine-months pregnant woman, or b) an active and angry Goa'uld...

Mark
 

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Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
but we get back to the notion of crawling through a dark and dank dungeon with either a) a nine-months pregnant woman, or b) an active and angry Goa'uld...

Mark

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Teal'c then speculates that if he tries to leave, his worm will be destroyed - one possible interpretation, but a baseless one, really.

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