Nah. None of that previewin' for me. I like to talk about it right when everyone else is talking about it instead of holding it in and exploding in tons of little purple streamers and gold glitter. And birthday cake. ...Sorry...I'm really tired.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fabrux: Dude, you seriously do live under a rock, don't you?
I'm sorry I'm not as techno-savvy as some...
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I was going to ask the same question Andrew, so don't feel too bad, maybe a little, but not too much. I may watch my DVD of it again tonight.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Oy... forgive me for not seeing a thread started in January.
My first closed thread. Little tear...
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Don't worry, you'll get used to it. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Bah... just watched it. I must say, twas disappointing.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Really? It was about what I expected...except for the replicators, that was a fun twist.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I started rewatching season 10 the other day, then I watched AOT last night... it feels like they had the budget and the story of an episode that they needed to stretch over an hour and a half. The story felt rushed, Ark of Truth... whoa where did that come from? and what the hell happened to the vault of super treasure or whatever that Vala supposedly knew about when she was Goulded? The effects and action were both underwhelming. Even the very first shot on Dakara felt claustrophobic.
We got no cool space battles even though both Earth ships encountered Ori fleets. The replicator thing was kind of cool but really just felt like something to keep the rest of the cast busy while the story happened. And it felt too much like things they've already done before.
The replicator infested IOA guy was neat in a super-gross way.
Even the ending was awful. Just like the ending of the series finale. I wanted lots more.
I'm assuming this movie takes place right before Carter's transfer to Atlantis for Season 4. Will the next movie focus on SG-1 or on a new cast?
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
It focuses on the SG-1 cast, including O'Neill.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I was under the impression that the second movie was going to lead into the next series. Is that still happening?
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Well, I don't know. The story for Continuum doesn't seem to lend itself much to a new series.... but who knows.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I started rewatching season 10 the other day, then I watched AOT last night... it feels like they had the budget and the story of an episode that they needed to stretch over an hour and a half. The story felt rushed, Ark of Truth... whoa where did that come from? and what the hell happened to the vault of super treasure or whatever that Vala supposedly knew about when she was Goulded? The effects and action were both underwhelming. Even the very first shot on Dakara felt claustrophobic.
We got no cool space battles even though both Earth ships encountered Ori fleets. The replicator thing was kind of cool but really just felt like something to keep the rest of the cast busy while the story happened. And it felt too much like things they've already done before.
The replicator infested IOA guy was neat in a super-gross way.
Even the ending was awful. Just like the ending of the series finale. I wanted lots more.
I'm assuming this movie takes place right before Carter's transfer to Atlantis for Season 4. Will the next movie focus on SG-1 or on a new cast?
The short answer I suppose is that they basically had to squeeze what they had planned for Season 11 down to a 90min TV movie...with about 1/10th the money. I imagine most of the dosh would actually have been spent on Continuum. For me there was no huge disappointment as it did what it says on the tin. I expected this to be a rushed way of tidying most of the Ori loose ends so they can get on with the proper TV Movies (Like B5 & Alien Nation before them.)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, if that's what it was supposed to be then I guess I'll look at it as the real series finale and hold my breath for the next installment.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It was okay. Everyone had some character fun, but the whole thing seemed to focus on Daniel and Vala more than anything else. Cam and Sam were stuck aboard the Odyssey fighting a home-grown menace, and Teal'c spent most of the movie WALKING across the planet.
It had some nice FX moments, despite the lack of big space battles - the Merrick-posessed Replicator was kinda cool (though largely unnecessary - a hundred bugs could have taen cam down eventually) and I really liked our first look at the demateriailization process that happens when you go through the gate - something we haven't seen since the original movie. And like everyone else, I miss those li'l bugs... Nothing like our actors blazing away at CGI replicators, we haven't seen something like that in a while.
Mark
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I went into it viewing it like a series finale instead of a movie, and I wasn't disappointed. It would make a great episode or two in place of Unending which I didn't really like.
There was also some humor in it that I liked; I'll have to watch it again to remember lines.
Oh! And seeing that Alteran's notebook with sketches of a gate and the 'cuboidal' address system, and hearing him say "I had the most amazing idea last night..." as he walked out. That was cool.
Oh, and I've taken thesetwo screenshots of the replicator programming shown on the screen in the Asgard core room - apparently, the replicators are programmed in Javascript. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
What do you want to bet that's code from one of the artists favortie porn sites or something?
I didn't notice the Alterans sketchbook... I'll have to go back and check that out. We had our friends over while we watched it and their kid started throwing a fit right around that point.
But here's a question... If Morgan was alive back when the Alterans left (that was her in the room at the beginning, right?) that would make her millions of years old. Exactly when did they learn to extend their lives? Merlin mentioned being on Atlantis which would make him thousands of years old, which I could accept. But millions makes them darn near immortal even before ascension.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Oooh, can we get a screenshot of the Alteran gate design? Those two seconds alone fill in a ton of gaps for what the Alterans had in mind. It shows that prior to leaving the Ori galaxy, the stargate technology existed in some form, since the Ori had transport rings that by the present day could beam stuff between planets. Since "our" transport rings can't do this, it follows that the original had since been adapted by the Ori to transport people at least to their capital city. That Alteran dude came up with the original stargates which were ultimately seeded around the Milky Way, and later the Pegasus galaxy (and who knows where else).
Mark
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
By the way..."Millions of years ago in a distant galaxy..." is damn near to "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." isn't it?
I didn't see Morgan at the beginning; I'm watching the beginning again now and I don't see her.
Got a cap of the notebook; it's 19 minutes in and some seconds. It's upside down and we'd do better to get a higher-res shot...anyone with a Blu-ray drive? Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: apparently, the replicators are programmed in Javascript.
Dude, that just made my whole day. Hilarious, yet so wrong.
And I just have to say, I always thought Adria was hot, but damn. Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
So it looks like a drawing of the gate, the chevrons, the kawoosh, and the six point destination calcuation diagram.
I don't think the Ori rings transport people between planets. We don't really know how Daniel, Vala and the Prior got to Celestus when they were connected to the villagers early in season 9. They could've gated to the planet Celestus is on first, or they could've already been on that planet.
As for Morgan, I could've sworn she was the woman in the gorup of Alterans, but I may be wrong. I'll have to rewatch it.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
There were two women - one much too old, and the other just didn't really look like her.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It wouldn't make sense for Morgan to be in that crowd. She is from a time perhaps millions of years after that scene, and with Merlin was one of the last Alterans off Atlantis. After they evacuated back to the Milky Way, she ultimately ascended and came back to "observe" Merlin work on his anti-Ori weapon. The Ancients supposedly live a looooong time, but not THAT long.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I'm rewatching it. It's definitely not Morgan in the group of early Alterans. Picked up a couple of interesting things: Apparently, the bridge on Daedalus Class ships is in the little tower on the back. I'm basing this on where they cut to the dematerialization effect as they were going through the supergate. I always thought it was in the part that extends forward. Also, did anyone notice the little chevron-shaped lights in the tunnel they found the Ark in? Thought that was cool.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I too thought the bridge was the extended-forward bit. Tower jives with naval ships though.
No, I didn't; I'll pay attention when I rewatch it. (Comic Book Guy: "I will only watch it THREE more times. Today.")
Does anyone else think the Lanteans were a splinter group off the Ancients, instead of *all* the Ancients? Or am I insane? I'd like to do a sort of chart of their cultural and spatial movements over the eons, but I'd be assuming that not every single Ancient from the Milky Way moved to Pegasus.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well we know they didn't ALL go, that plague carrying chick they found in Antarctica for one (also seen in the Atlantis pilot I think) and incidentally, she lived a good million years in the ice...and somehow managed to not getting squished by all that glacial shifting and pressure.
What I'm not sure about though is if the Dakara restart that finally wiped out the plague was before the Lantians returned or after.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
She was seen in the pilot, yes; but I meant, more than just a few stragglers like her were left, but rather perhaps no more than a few city-ships left for Pegasus. Which begs the question of how many Ancients there *were* in the Milky Way - on the order of millions, or billions? The Wraith queen in the Atlantis pilot said their feeding grounds hadn't been as rich as billions in a long time, so we know there were billions of people on some planets in Pegasus - but again, how many were Ancient 'humans' and how many were Human 'humans'?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, Atlantis itself as been likened to Manhattan by McKay (even though it doesn't seem to have nearly as many buildings). So we can safely assume that one city ship could accomodate a couple million people if packed full. We also know of at least one other Atlantis-type ship built by the Lanteans (seen in The Tower). So it would seem that before the war at least, there were millions of Alterans minimum.
Some had also already ascended before they left for Pegasus. But remember too that they were in Pegasus for a loooong time. And they apparently live a long time, even when not frozen. So their numbers would grow quite quickly.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Unless they placed artificial limits on their population.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Which is possible. We know they seeded both galaxies with human life, so their desire to populate wasn't limited to their own reproduction. But they may have had reasons for wanting to keep the population of actual Alterans limited.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I liked it- good contunity and a nice cinematic feel (particularly the fades from one scene to the next). There are several gaps between this and the series' end though- the sudden quest for yet another Altaran artifact foe example.
Still, fun on a bun and the Replicators were cool- as they should be: no silly "humanform" nonsense. Metal bugs baby!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I will say that it benefited from a second viewing following directly on the heals of Season 10. It was alot better when I looked at it as another episode. But yes... the sudden appearance of another weapon (as opposed to the Clava Thesaura Thingamajiggy) was a little weird though. Trying to fill it in by saying "Oh, by the way, Daniel had another Merlin vision and they hatched this whole plan while you weren't watching" didn't really do it for me.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
To answer an earlier question, the bridge on a Daedalus class ship IS in the forward section - putting it up in the tower in this movie is an error. You can see the bridge "bump" in this pic of the official CG model:
The forward section has windows to match the set, and we HAVE seen at least one episode where Colonel Caldwell is looking out of the window over the forward sections missile launchers. Now, there IS a similar bank of windows up in the tower, so there may be a second or "flag" bridge up there that our heroes could have used... But somehow I think it more likely that it's just an FX error.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, it really does look like there's a set of windows in the tower that looks like the one on the bridge bulge. But I'm more than willing to agree that the bridge is up front especially if we've seen more convincing evidence. Just because the camera chose to cut away at a certain point doesn't really mean anything.
That's a sweet pic, btw. New desktop.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I will say that it benefited from a second viewing following directly on the heals of Season 10. It was alot better when I looked at it as another episode. But yes... the sudden appearance of another weapon (as opposed to the Clava Thesaura Thingamajiggy) was a little weird though. Trying to fill it in by saying "Oh, by the way, Daniel had another Merlin vision and they hatched this whole plan while you weren't watching" didn't really do it for me.
They did actually fill that bit in, though it was a bit of a blink-and-you-missed-it type reference. Daniel mentioned he's been having the Merlin (Le Fey) visions for a while now, hence them looking for the thing.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah, but I guess my bigger problem is that they built the Key to Infinite Treasure up so much that it's obvious it was important, but then just dropped it. Unless it figures into Continuum somehow...
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
It was on TV last night, so that saves me the price of a dvd / the arse numbing wait for it to torrent.
I liked it. I quite enjoyed Unending, but this was a far better way to end the show. On the whole most of it worked, and it did wrap up most of the loose ends.
Trouble is, it felt like they'd done it all before. The replicators were cool, but pointless, and 90 minutes just wasn't long enough for all of them to get a proper bit of the action.
Still, I'll probably buy for completeness at some stage. After I finish buying my DS9 set. All this sci fi and so little shelf space. Moving back home is a nightmare!
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Yah, but I guess my bigger problem is that they built the Key to Infinite Treasure up so much that it's obvious it was important, but then just dropped it. Unless it figures into Continuum somehow...
True, but to be fair they didn't expect that they'd be cancelled at the end of season 10 and thought they'd have a whole season to sort things out. Compressing twenty two forty minute episodes of story into a ninety minute movie is an unenviable task on the best of days.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
In relation to the location of the bridge on the Daedalus and in Star Trek vessels - if I ever design a space ship, please, remind me not to freaking expose the bridge to enemy fire.
I've often wondered why the hell they did it that way in Star Trek - with that viewscreen they certainly don't need windows, so, what? They just like being at the Top Of The Ship? (hehehe Reed's line in ENT...)
Also, I've wondered why they opted for windows on the Daedalus instead of a huge screen. Surely it'd make *far* better sense to use a screen? They'd be thousands of klicks away from most vessels, battles, planets, etc...you wouldn't see diddly shit through a window.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
They have better eye sight in the future.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Argument invalid: Stargate is set in the present Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
they may not have advanced enough visual sensors to create viewscreen images. Sure they can receive communications on screen, but it's different.
The reason (that's been stated) as to why it doesn't matter if bridges are outboard is this: if the shields go down, you're screwed anyway. Energy weapons tend to cut right through the hull, so no matter where the bridge is, you'd be hosed.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
As it stands, you only really expose the bridge crew to sunburn. Remember when the Daedalus deflected a really conveniently-placed solar flare? Without sunglasses? -_-;;
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Visual sensors", i.e. cameras?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
They'd have to be pretty advanced cameras to cover that kind of distance with high speed and resolution. Star Trek always called them "visual" or "optical sensors" I believe.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I always figured the stuff you see on the screen in Trek wasn't actually direct optical imagery, but something created by the computer as a composite of sensor data. For one thing, it's *dark* in space Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
exactly. visual sensors. the computer senses... then shows what would appear visually.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Yeah, but, if you're talking about replacing a window with a viewscreen, all you really need is a camera. It can see everything you'd be able to see through the window. More, really, if you can adjust it into the non-visible spectrum.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Well what I meant by replacing the window with a viewscreen was to replace it with a screen that would show some composite of sensor data. Perhaps not any 'visual' representation, but at lest some kind of large tactical display. You might as well have solid bulkhead as a window on the bridge, is my point. It's probably weaker than the hull and it isn't offering anything except aesthetics (and then only when you're close to a planet).
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Maybe they discovered that people go batshit crazy on spaceships without windows.... Hell even the Asgard ships have them (and I cant see Thor really stargazing from some hallway window).
It gives the audience a sense of scale for the ship() to have windows. Something sorely lacking on designs without them (shadow ships anyone?)
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
lol I'm feeling a bit like escallum in my single-minded insistence, but...they can have windows. They can have thousands of windows. I still don't see the point of having a large on that everyone on the bridge faces during tactical situations.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah, that is kind of silly. Especially when people are constantly looking forward like it will tell them exactly what's going on outside. 99% of the action will take place outside their field of vision.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Maybe they discovered that people go batshit crazy on spaceships without windows....
You mean like the sailors who serve on submarines?
I think that the Odyssey bridge's window is just a manifestation of Stargate's tendency in recent years to rip off certain elements from Star Trek as blatantly as possible. (For example, beaming, tricorders, sensors, and so forth.) They just decided to put the bridge in an exposed position just like every other Starfleet ship...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Y'know, I considered the whole submarine angle and rejected it- the crew of the Daedalus class ships seem kinda....candyass? I mean, check out the quarters shown on Unending- a faaaar cry from "hotracking" on a sub. Lots of folks recruited from the civillian sector serve in Stargate Command- all it takes is for one twitch to open an airlock to ruin an otherwise routine mission to get killed by the Ori toilet-ships.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I liked Caldwell's line about trying to remove Solitaire from the Daedalus's computers, but the crew kept putting them back. I *assume* he meant the terminals for private use. If they were putting them on the bridge computers...
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