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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
No one's started a thread yet? What's wrong with you people!

Discuss.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
D'oh.
 
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Did it take you 11 minutes to write that post? Or were you just not paying attention? [Wink]
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
Guess I wasn't paying attention since I didn't even see this thread. In any, I'll just repost my thoughts here and let the other thread die a slow painful death.

So Sylar doesn't eat brains, but he pokes at them and gains the victims power? Also it still begs what happens to the brain since we've seen earlier victims with their noggin totally removed.

By injecting himself with the formula, Mohinder is turning into Jeff Goldblum in "The Fly".

The Earth is gonna be destroyed by seismic activity.

Did Future Peter put Present Peter in the body of that bad guy or did he merely give FPete the apperance of the bad guy. If that's the case, than what happened to the real bad guy?

Claire can't feel pain anymore, so she's flipping out(teens [Roll Eyes] ).
 
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
 
I really wish Mo' had gained the Superpower of "Not making the WRONG decision". It seems like every choice he makes turns out to be a "DOH!".

I thought that Sylar's line to Claire was a hilarious answer to all the speculation that he was eating brain food.

We know now that Hiro doesn't actually stop time, though that whole confrontation thing with Quick-Chick just seemed implausible to me.

Is Nate having a psychosis or is Linderman actually communicating similar to the way Charles did with Peter?

Since Adam's blood is in Nate is he now immortal too? Or just how many times can he regenerate if not?

Do the L5 bad dudes seem a little lame so far to anyone else but me?
 
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Linderman had the ability to heal, so at a stretch, it's possible he somehow returned to life, became invisible and revived Nathan... you're right, Nathan's nuts.

The bad guys seem a little lame, but the scene where the guy was burning someone alive just for fun gave them some credibility as evil villains who have to be stopped.

Good to have the impending disaster established early on, but it's lazy of the writers to introduce it in the same way every season. Each season Hiro or Peter has gone into the future and seen what will happen if they don't save the world. At least this time it was a different city, though.

Anyway, these two episodes really impressed me after the fairly crumby second season. Fast paced and answering a few long-term questions (Angela's power, as well as what Sylar does with the brains), I hope it continues like this. The only part I didn't like was the end of the first episode where Mohinder probably had his longest monologue of the entire show. That seemed to go on for forever.
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Johnny: There's a reason for that.

(edited the post because the board doesn't like parentheses in URLs. It's a Wikipedia link, I assure you.)
 
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
 
Mmm, I got that he was quoting something, but it felt quite out of place to me. Wise monologues never seem quite right coming from a character that makes so many bad decisions.
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
I enjoyed this. It looks like they may be getting back from the rather crappy second season by focusing on one big 'disaster' early on, and getting everyone into the same story from the start. No more side-stories that take forever to evolve.

There's still too much unknown to make any useful guesses, but I do wonder what kind of nutjob we have now, that wants to blow the Earth in half. I suppose that goes beyond even what Linderman would do.
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
OK, I'm in the middle of 3.02 now, and I have a few things to say.

First of all: I swear, Matt and Hiro are half the reason I watch this show.

That said, I'm liking the shouts out to the first season. And Sylar's "That'd be gross" from 3.01.

We know Niki and Jessica were twins (at least before Jessica died -- or did she really?). There's got to be something going on with that and this Tracy person.

I'm going to wait a few episodes until I pass full judgement. TPTB have said in interviews and such that they want to treat each volume as a semi-separate entity, so I'm kind of thinking of each as their own series of a sort, if that makes any sense.

Also, this?

Made me go AAAAAAAAAAARGH.

IT'S DISCREET, PEOPLE. "Discrete" is a completely different word.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"We know Niki and Jessica were twins..."

Wasn't it said that Jessica was older?
 
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Perhaps not noticeably?

I've honestly lost track of some plot threads so I don't remember if Nikki still works for the company, what happened to her son & his 'mimic power' cousin or for that matter the girl that can find anyone. I also have a lousy memory for names. [Wink]
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Niki: died in a fire.

Micah and Monica: No idea.

Molly: Mohinder has a line about dropping her off at the airport, and sending her somewhere she'll be safe.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
Interference from the future...then an injection made from a latina girl's blood can give anyone powers...what is this, The 4400? [Wink]

And then there's that stupid "we only use dur 10% of our dur brains" myth.

Also you'd think super strength would automatically equal super speed with super long strides.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
E02! LOL: "Very discrete" Private Detectives, hehehe. "I stop time and teleport. I do many things you don't see." I'll just bet. "Should've gone with Sprint..."
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Angela Patrelli! I *KNEW IT* I KNEW IT!!

I knew she had that power of suggestion! Way back from season 1!

The Level 5 'dudes' in reply to Wizartist - actually looked quite fucked up - the pleasure that fireball guy got out of roasting that woman was just totally wrong.

They sure belted the Sylar getting Claire thing out of the way pretty fast. I guess it now doubles as a 'rape' analogy for Claire which could be very interesting.

RE: Nikki/Jessica/Tracy - there WAS a mention in Season 2 of a 3rd persona, Gina.

Loved the TORTISE scene (It wasn't a turtle).

Full on what happened with Elle.

Seems like more and more of the heroes are manifesting multiple powers.

Even Angela Patrelli - is her power actually like Peter's? There's the dreaming (which she said was one of the first powers he absorbed off of her. Well we all thought that he got that from Charles Devreaux?? Maybe Angela got that off of him?) And there's the verbal control - which she could have gotten off Eden McCain in season 1).

I want to see Micah and his cousin still (and Nichelle Nicols! I'm sure she had a power.)

Re: Micha's cousin, Monica: Remember that vault of stuff in season 2. And the comic that had her with that curvy knife crawling ontop of roofs!?!

Causality doesn't seem to affect time-travellers.

Is Angela Patrelli like one of the last-surviving Company people left!?! There were a few in that photo in season 2 of the 'big-wigs' we never saw.

Sheridan/Bruce Boxleitner!

Finally with Sylar can everyone think of all the powers he has accumulated so far - they only seem to use one or two of them.

-Telekenesis.
-The ability to hide in shadows (remember from when the FBI agent was trying to track him down in season 1).
-Ability to leap large distances or heights in some fashion (Same scene - up out the man-hole)
-Something to do with insects - we saw them when he was incarcerated at primatech paper in season 1 and then at the end of season 1 with the man-hole cover)
-Ability to melt solids from Zane Taylor
-Presumably an ability to do stuff with ice (Molly's Parents)
-Super-hearing ability (that should be a big achilles for him).
-Brilliant learning abilities - from the waitress Hiro liked - Charlie
-Radioactive powers from Ted Sprague
-Painting the future from Isaac Mendez
-Claire's healing ability
-plus others he's killed and 'sorted out' - possibly Suresh's father - if he had one).
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
I thought Angela's power was to see the future in her dreams.
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Mars Needs Women: You thought right. I don't know where Andrew's getting "suggestion" from.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"There's the dreaming (which she said was one of the first powers he absorbed off of her. Well we all thought that he got that from Charles Devreaux?? Maybe Angela got that off of him?)"

I'm pretty sure she was talking about his original power : the ability to mimic other powers. She was saying that he inherited it from her in the sense of "Yeah, I have a power, too. Why do you think you have one? Genetics, fool."

"Niki: died in a fire."

Well, no, she was about to die in a fire. Then they didn't show her again. Since it now appears that she's running around with the ability to freeze things, I would say there's a reasonable chance she had the means to escape the fire.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by HopefulNebula:
Johnny: There's a reason for that.

(edited the post because the board doesn't like parentheses in URLs. It's a Wikipedia link, I assure you.)

Hell yeah. I said the last few lines along with him. King used it in The Stand to similar goosebumpy effect.

quote:
I think Johnny said this: The bad guys seem a little lame, but the scene where the guy was burning someone alive just for fun gave them some credibility as evil villains who have to be stopped.
Yeah, that scene disturbed me. I thought the screams and amount of time spent watching/listening to her die was a bit gruesome for cable, too.

quote:
HopefulNebula again: We know Niki and Jessica were twins (at least before Jessica died -- or did she really?). There's got to be something going on with that and this Tracy person.
Maybe, or maybe Tracy is just a new split personality that took over Nikki and can't remember Nikki's old life, or just pretends not to remember it. Either way, I wonder where Mica is. (DL is dead, right? Hard to keep some of it straight after such a long hiatus of watching it.)

Oh, wait. Nikki's dead too, isn't she? Arummgn. I'll have to watch it over or something...

quote:
AndrewR sez: Loved the TORTISE scene (It wasn't a turtle).
And it's spelled TORTOISE. Aw, snap.

Edit: Just watching the premier countdown special now. They pointed out a lot of Star Trek references and cast members (Mama Petrelli played a Klingon? I must investigate) and they left out Nichelle freaking Nichols!
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
I'm pretty sure she was talking about his original power : the ability to mimic other powers. She was saying that he inherited it from her in the sense of "Yeah, I have a power, too. Why do you think you have one? Genetics, fool."

Naw, it's more along the lines of "where do you think you absorbed your first power"-- that is, he was having dreams about the future before anything else.

Besides, Arthur Petrelli presumably had a power too, since he was one of the Company's founding members. Kind of wrenches the "genetics, fool" argument.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Yeah Pete's first 'power' seen even in the show - was the dreaming. We all assumed he absorbed it from Charles Devreaux. What if Angela also has the power to absorb and absorbed it off of Devreaux or vice-versa?

The very last scene of Angela Patrelli and Sylar - i'm pretty sure she is using suggestion or her voice to make Sylar do her bidding.

Tortoise - thanks - i knew Tortise wasn't right but I couldn't be arsed to go and check.

Tracy would be a 4th split of her personality - as I mentioned there was a "Gina" mentioned in season 2.
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Was it me or did Maya lose some of her accent? Anyway, she was less useless now, and may become a decent character.

No one has mentioned Evil Future Claire yet. She looked pretty bad-ass, if a little uncomfortable handling a gun. It may be interesting to see some of the heroes turn into villains this season.

I wonder what the deal with Future Ando is. Will he really have powers at some point? Maybe he'll get injected by Mohinder? That would make Mohinder a sort of anti-Company: introducing new evolved humans, instead of hunting them down.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Or maybe it was Peter Patrelli in the guise of Ando with a fancy power we didn't know he had? Hadouken!
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Well, when Eden used suggestion, her voice got a cool effect. Just a note.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
About Angela, it seems that offspring don't inherit the powers of their parents. Claire power's are nothing like the powers of her biological parents.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
We've been over the 'how does Parent Power A + Parent Power B = Child Power C oh well I guess it doesn't lololol' thing before haven't we?

Claire reminds me of that hot chick I know who is still in highschool so I really shouldn't want her but I do. So that future outfit she was wearing...awesome.
 
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Well, let's consider this. Seeing as how there doesn't seem to be a lot of time between the fire incident and now, I doubt Nikki could have escaped from the fire, forgot everything, moved to the East Coast and work for Governor Sheridan in such a short time. Then there's also the different power.

Maybe Tracy is actually Nikki's twin sister that they all thought died...
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Don't forget being cured of the virus. 'Cause she had it, remember?
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"We've been over the 'how does Parent Power A + Parent Power B = Child Power C oh well I guess it doesn't lololol' thing before haven't we?"

According to Mohinder, it's the same compound that gives everyone their powers, but their individual blood chemistry (if that even means anything) is what determines how the power will manifest itself.
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
And we saw it happening with Mohinder after he injected himself. He basically turned into Beast, minus the furry blue look.
 
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
 
Did Mrs. Patrelli see and talk with "head Linderman?" Since she can dream and see the future and have visions, can she see Linderman also?
 
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Harry:
And we saw it happening with Mohinder after he injected himself. He basically turned into Beast, minus the furry blue look.

More like Brundle-fly. Hmm...Mohinder-fly? Brundle-Mohinder?

That's a point; anyone know why they're deliberately apeing that movie? I don't mind a little homage, but that was a bit too near a ripoff for my taste.
 
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
*shakes head* Too much like Promicin for my tastes. Feels unoriginal. Especially now that Mohinder is going all nasty oozy skin-losing mutant...much like Kevin Burkhoff in The 4400, who also discovered the power-generating whosamawhat and injected himself with it before it was tested.
 
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Reverend:
quote:
Originally posted by Harry:
And we saw it happening with Mohinder after he injected himself. He basically turned into Beast, minus the furry blue look.

More like Brundle-fly. Hmm...Mohinder-fly? Brundle-Mohinder?

That's a point; anyone know why they're deliberately apeing that movie? I don't mind a little homage, but that was a bit too near a ripoff for my taste.

Exactly what I said in my post. The coming attractions even shows Mohinder secreting mucus from his hand. Ew.
 
Posted by HopefulNebula (Member # 1933) on :
 
Aaaah. I was wrong, or at least so says Heroes Wiki. Jessica (the real person, not the alternate personality) is two years younger than Niki.
 
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TSN:
but their individual blood chemistry (if that even means anything) is what determines how the power will manifest itself.

And it still remains to be seen how a particular gland secretion allows you to move objects without touching them.

And I'm sure they'll get on explaining that bit reeeeaal soon.
 
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
 
First two epps finaly aired over here last night, so I can read this thread at last.

Sum it up in one word? Yay.

Agree fully on pace etc, but was it just me, or are the gags getting a little predictable (such as Hiro's destiny knocking on the door). Oh well, if a few lame jokes are what we have to pay for last season, I suppose it's a small price.

Just as an asside, how much of last seasons poo-ness was the writers strike, and how much of it was just falling short of the mark in trying to beat season one for suspenceful buildup?

Anyway, liked what I saw, epsecialy Ando getting all bad guy on Hiro, and Nathan going loony. All good, except Mohinder, but then I've thought he was an arse since he shot ol' HRG.
 


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