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Originally posted by Daniel Butler:
...Why is my Firefox suddenly using a British English spell-checking dictionary?

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As if there's any other kind of English...
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
So now Atlantis is on Earth. San Francisco in fact - by the Golden Gate Bridge, like Starfleet . So what's to become of the Expedition? Will they withdraw from Pegasus completely? I can't remember if there are supposed to be DVD movies.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
There is one to be filmed in 2009 for release this fall, presumably before Universe begins. SG-1 is supposed to get a movie too, which will probably be its last (it was hinted at in the finale with the Odyssey off on a secret mission and Carter set to take command of the "General Hammond").

With Atlantis now on Earth, there seems very little reason to bother with Pegasus anymore, though arguably they need to take care of the Wraith threat now that they know where Earth is.

Mark
 

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
I got the impression from the episode that that particular hive was the only one that received the transmission...
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
I think it's safe to say that Atlantis will be going back to Pegasus. If nothing else they have the only gate in the galaxy that can connect to the Milkyway (or was it just earth?)
Random thoughts:-
Anyone else think "wormhole drive" was a bit out of the blue and unnecessary?
Nice of them to acknowledge Don S. Davis's passing in that way.
As for the Oddessy's secret mission, I just took it as a convenient way to keep the rest of SG-1 out of the way. Could be a link in to the next movie though. We'll see.
I liked the little exchange about the Star Trek Experience, especially ironic with Picardo in the room.
Somehow, I'm not even remotely surprised that the Wraith was a Marilyn Manson fan.
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
Yeah, the wormhole drive was just stupid. Crappy idea, struck me as fanboyish, completely out of the blue. I'm just ignoring it though because bitching about it won't make it better :-/ Much as I'd like to...

Well, it's just that there's a galaxy full of people they left behind there, including some alliances and friends (the Athosians, for example?), and sources of Ancient artifacts mayhap. Pegasus isn't fully explored yet after all.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Oh I almost forgot, the sound effects for the A-10s weren't even close to the real thing. Tankbusters are loud and clanky, like a petrol lawnmower on steroids. Those things sounded like jet fighters.
Of course I only to know this because I happen to live on the flightpath out of Boscombe Down.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I've seen 'em at airshows and you are right. They sound much like my local garbage truck going around 500 kph uphill and on fast forward. Likewise, the guns sound completely different than what we heard, more like a buzzsaw.

As for the fate of Atlantis, remember the original concept of the show was that Atlantis WAS the antarctic outpost they were always looking for - SG-1 was SUPPOSED to end, and Atlantis would take over from the SGC and battle the Replicators for years to come. When it was decided that Atlantis and SG-1 would run concurrently for a while, they moved Atlantis to another galaxy to effectively keep them out of each other's way. Now that SG-1 is over, there shouldn't be much reason to move Atlantis back to Pegasus, which is a relatively volatile place compared to the godless (or Goa'uld-less, or Ori-less) masses of the Milky Way. If Wraith fightin' is needed, they have up to five Daedalus class ships available now (Daedalus, Odyssey, Sun Tzu, Apollo, and now General Hammond) to whup their butts with their Asgard weapons and shields.

Mark
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
But again, what about all the allies they leave behind in Pegasus? What about Teyla and her husband and baby?
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
What about 'em? They don't justify keeping the city there IMO. It's not like Atlantis was providing much more than a relatively safe base of operations; it's not a sanctuary, nor a significant resource for most of the people living there. Assuming the Wraith are taken care of in the upcoming movie (and the Iron Asgard don't provide much further trouble), the newly-formed coalition in Pegasus should be able to take care of things. A routine visit by starship every once in a while to keep an eye on things should suffice while Atlantis remains on Earth so the locals can continue to pry its secrets out.

Mark
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Well now that have 3 ZPMs they don't need to keep the city in any one place at all now. It can be fully mobile and go wherever they want it to.
Though given the Antarctic outpost chair is destroyed, I imagine the IOA will want Atlantis to stay as Earth's new last line of defence.

That begs the question though; did they move the whole outpost to Area 51, or just the chair control mechanism? Did we ever get much of a sense of how big the outpost was for that matter?
 

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
I can imagine them rigging up some other kind of control mechanism for the outpost.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
The antarctic outpost size was never really quantified, though "Rising" suggests that it was a fair sized complex of several buildings and towers that was at one point a part of Atlantis' construction and launch facilities. As Atlantis was not a unique installation (there were at least three IIRC) it follows that the antarctic outpost may have been a shipyard of sorts and be big enough to support such operations.

When it was moved, the dialogue suggests that just the chair and arguably the drones it commanded were moved, as the UN treaty forbids weapons on the continent. We saw a similar chair installation on Proclaroush Taonas, remember - I wonder if anyone bothered to go looking for drones there?

Mark
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
When we saw Atlantis take off in "Rising" it looked as if the outpost was, at least in part, some kind of a tower that fit partially within the central spire of the city. Of course, when the outpost was first seen, the idea of the city fitting over it hadn't been conceived. But it stands to reason that another Lantean city ship was in position at Taonas at some point too. Could've even been the one that ended up in Pegasus seen in "The Tower".
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
I just finished watching the finale. And I have one big question:

Can they please just drop the whole "keeping the Stargate secret" thing already? It's starting to get really implausible and unbelievable.
 

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Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
 

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Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:
Can they please just drop the whole "keeping the Stargate secret" thing already? It's starting to get really implausible and unbelievable

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THANK YOU. That's the only worthwhile story left to tell at this point.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Yeah, having an invisible city sat in San Francisco bay is pushing credibility just a tad. Wouldn't be so bad if it was in the middle of an ocean or in Antarctica, but right next to a major port city? Bonkers!
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
It's the only story left I'd be actually excited to see shown. Everything else is neatly tied off; I want to see them reveal the Gate due to a massive alien attack (fanboy moment: The Wraith allied with Anubis who has managed to escape/defeat Oma Desala!) and the ensuing public what-the-fuckery.

I thought the outpost was built to facilitate construction of Atlantis, but wasn't necessarily a 'shipyard,' because I didn't think it could probably build other ships. I imagined it was 95% a big flat metal landing area with holes for the engines to stick through. But I guess anybody's speculation is as good as anybody else's
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
I don't know about that. Part of the charm of the Stargate universe is that it's rooted in the "real world". Making the gate and all that goes with it would destroy that illusion and just make it like almost any other sci-fi show. It's certainly fun to dip into a world where the SGC has gone public in the time travel & alternate universe episodes but I can't see it happening in the main continuity, at least not for quite a while.
 

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Posted by StationMaster (Member # 63) on :
 
Been a while... and then mostly ranting about Dr Who and Torchwood... but perhaps its time I turned to one of my more ... traditional... sci fi's.

I have been a long term fan of the whole Stargate series and Atlantis was eagerly anticipated for me.

I think I would sum Atlantis up as the opportunity missed and the last show pretty much confirmed that.

Not going about grabbing the wrong end of the stick as I actually loved the series, but the last one felt rushed, squeezed and compared to some of the earlier plots, quite dull really.
There were far too many nods in it, although the nod to Don S Davis was sadly and greatly appreciated. The Keler nod was utterly pointless as if only to say, "shes in the credits, may as well put her in".
Compared to previous Stargate SG1 and Atlantis episodes, the show seemed to forget the wonderful attention to real world details. Lets send up a 10 F302's againsts dozens of darts... what? Why did they not send up more conventional jets to back the 302's up?
And I may have this wrong... but I thought that US military officers were not allowed to wear personal jewelery on duty? And I may be wrong on this, but I swear Carter was wearing ear rings during one of the scenes...

As previously mentioned, this could have been fleshed out in to a hour and a half spectacular. You could have enjoyed the tension. Enjoyed some intellegent dialogue. A true send off to the series.
But because it was rushed through, you were left a little numb and wanting more as it finished.

For me, it was a sad ending to what could have been an amazing series. But as I started, Atlantis was the great lost opportunity of sci fi.

But there were some fantastic gems along the way...

And now folks... the great Sci Fi drought begins...
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
I'm actually a little upset with the crew of the show for the rushed feeling. They could easily have made it a two-parter and gotten rid of Vegas, which was just...pointless to me. I mean it was a fun episode, but it was the *second to last* episode. They really thought it was a better use of time to parody CSI instead of building up the finale and maybe looking at a few loose ends? I mean it barely contributed anything to the plot. They didn't have to have a whole episode to explain how the Wraith got a signal telling them where Earth was, and then spend another episode squashing everything in. It seemed really disproportionate in terms of time available and time spent, like their priorities were more to have a 'cool' or 'fun' episode than to tie up the series properly.

I'm just ranting at this point so I'll stop.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
OK Finally gotten around to watching the last 5 episodes. What a let down. All of them were TOTALLY unnecessary.

The Las Vegas ep - the ep on board the Wraith ship with the zombie-wraith, the keller-vala clone switcheroo, the finale - all of it.

Ever since the ending of the Elizabeth Weir story line - it's like Atlantis limped home.

Atlantis sorta lost it's way a while back. There were fantastic shows - but Atlantis became too... 'familiar' too quickly. I loved the 'isolation' of season 1. They were supposed to go to Pegasus to find new technology. There weren't many real 'discoveries' though.

They sorta lost that.

I reckon they should have had the wraith making a beach-head/foothold in the Milkyway galaxy.

Who was the chick at the end who wanted to take Ronin for a walk? Was it the chick from the control centre on Atlantis?

Too rushed. Too many missed opportunities. Atlantis and the Pegasus galaxy unfortunately feels all a little 'familiar' now.

Atlantis needs to be taken back to Pegasus in my opinion.

So that question still does remain - the chair was moved and destroyed - does that mean that the whole weapons platform is destroyed? Can't they just go and get a spare chair from a few of the places we've seen before that had chairs. Like in "The Lost City Parts 1 and 2" those couple of Ancient outposts SG1 visited that I think had chairs but no ZPMs or something.

I think removing the ancient outpost from Antarctica is silly - as it's use is a protection for Earth - what better place to put it than Antarctica?

Nice, touching tribute to Don S. Davis.

Why do Pegasus gates superceed Milky Way gates?

What WAS the real point of the previous 'switcheroo' episode - introducing that ancient device again.

It does seem a little bit of a strange way to 'communicate' - and to me it was something that was way more ancient... than the ancients. Like REALLY old tech. I wish that's why they planted it in there - but I think it was just an excuse for some hijinks for Keller.

I must say though, the effects are still topnotch.

The scene with 'replaced Keller' walking out and looking over Atlantis with a puddle-jumper flying over head and the sun shining... seemless. It looked like it was the real thing... no discernable 'effects' going on in that shot - i.e. green-screening or whatever.

Hopefully the straight-to-DVD movies will be good.
 

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Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
 

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Atlantis became too... 'familiar' too quickly. I loved the 'isolation' of season 1. They were supposed to go to Pegasus to find new technology. There weren't many real 'discoveries' though.

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PS - Pegasus gates are digital and the Milky Way has analog. That's why Pegasus gates, which were produced later, supercede the originals in programming.

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