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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Since when do Destiny gates spin?

Poor Riley.

Stupid Rush.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Destiny's gates have always spun since the very first episode. The entire gate spins, there's no inset ring, and the chevrons are locked when the appropriate symbol contacts the ball-like bearing at the top of the gate.

Rush is just an idiot. He has no sense of irony, apparently; witness him calling Young unfit to command...
 

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Oh, right, brain-fart moment. Was thinking of Atlantis gates...

But, that raises the point: if the whole thing spins, how does it do that when partially buried?
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
I haven't read any comments; I'm gonna write as I watch and then go back and read.

Hmm...the whole bridge rises up out of the superstructure when you want to open the window? That seems like a terrible design, more trouble than it's worth. Why not just blast shields over the window...?

I'm liking Gloria showing up. It actually makes sense, if I'm guessing correctly - his mind trying to understand the information dumped into his brain, and giving him a hallucination he can talk to. (Or at least it makes sense to me.)

Oooo, franklin.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fabrux:
Oh, right, brain-fart moment. Was thinking of Atlantis gates...

But, that raises the point: if the whole thing spins, how does it do that when partially buried?

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
Also something I noticed, why doesn't the 'KaWoosh' carve out a divot in the stone base of the off-world gates? Part of the ring is buried in the stone.

Good episode. Poor Riley. They didn't need to get rid of him, just so we can have some loser Lutian Alliance member replace him.

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Probably for the same reason the Pegasus and Milky-Way don't do the same thing; they all have similar pedestals after all. Even the SGC gate has a metal gantry that doesn't disappear every time they switch it on. The reason probably has something to do with the diameter of the 'kawoosh' not being equal to the diameter of the event horizon.
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
First SGU episode I've caught in a while. Same for Caprica as well.

During the episode I wondered when did Colonel Young become Adama? The entire episode, I kept wondering if they wanted him to be as Adama like as possible.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
What do you mean? Because he mercy-killed Riley, saving a bullet / drugs / subordinate grief in the process?

I'm willing to be that THIS is the episode where Young starts changing. He hasn't killed like this before, and despite their situation he may be thinking that just this sort of behaviour could have been avoided. I'm hoping it's this episode that galvanizes him into becoming a better leader.

I'll miss Riley. Each Stargate series has had a "gate technician" secondary character, be it Walter or Chuck, but Riley just doesn't go the distance. I think he'll be replaced in a sense by Ginn, the Lucian Alliance tech girl, but we'll see.

The bridge is pretty cool, even if it's a pretty Trekish design. One thing that wasn't easily noticed was that it is not directly on the ship's centerline, but on the forward right corner of the pyramid superstructure - I wonder if there's something else of note on the other corner? Perhaps there's another one, in case they need to break this one for some reason later on.

As for the entire bridge rising out of the superstructure, it's not THAT bad of an idea if they really wanted to protect the bridge during battle and yet have an actual window to look out of when people aren't shooting at you. ALL of the major Stargate ship designs in the franchise, from Ha'Tak to Daedalus to Aurora, have had actual windows on their bridges, and I don't see that as a bad thing.

And hey, they're fresh out of shuttles, though I have a feeling that this week's episode will remedy that. It was a little wierd that Destiny had docking ports for three shuttles, but no apparent facility to repair or maintain them, such as a hangar. Now they've got no shuttles left, and I highly doubt that the producers would let our heroes be stuck with mere stargates to get around for long. To say nothing of scrapping an expensive major set.

Kudos where they're due though, for showing a very brief FX shot of Destiny dropping out of FTL, and clearly showing they have no shuttles in the forward centerline or portside berths. It's almost Galactica-like continuity there, for something as minor as a missing shuttle. One wonders, if Destiny will suffer further obvious damage, that the CG model would be permanently altered thereafter to reflect that and the crew's inability to fix it.

Mark
 

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
A retracting bridge is not without precedent: the Minerva's bridge in Gundam SEED Destiny retracted when going into battle.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Wha--? An anime technology reference that ISN'T me or Wet Penn State? The world is all FIDDLE FADDLE FOO!

Anyway, to be specific the Minerva's bridge doesn't ACTUALLY retract. Rather, part of the bridge deck INSIDE the superstructure descends to a lower level, where combat-oriented crew stations are located along with dedicated viewscreens, no windows, and the requisite low lighting. This in turn is a throwback to the UC Gundam warship designs from the early 0090s onwards, where the bridge crew would relocate to a smaller combat bridge / CIC and direct the ship from there. QED.

Mark
 

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Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
 
I still don't see why they couldn't just have the window *open* with a thick armored shutter instead of moving the entire bridge.
 

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Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
 
Well for one it increases structural integrity and for another it reduces the odds of a front on direct hit. Best to not have a vulnerable point than have have one you need to add extra armour to protect. Then of course there's the most important consideration *because it looks cool.* This is still a TV show, yes? ;-)
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
Also, I think it makes a little sense to stow a crucial compartment in a "locked down" position until it's actively needed a million years later. It doesn't mean that they're going to keep popping the bridge up and down every time they feel like it.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
That's true; the bridge may simply have been in its "stored" position while Destiny was waiting for eons before a crew showed up; the Ancients clearly wanted this ship to last, after all. The ship's main cannon has a similar stowed position when not in use. OTOH, the three shuttle docking ports, other weapons turrets, etc. seem pretty exposed; there's also that big dome on one side of the ship that has been holed.

Mark
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
I'm finally watching these on line.

The scene where Young suffocated Riley had me gasping for air and crying at the same time. Wow. I knew he was going to kill him as soon as he asked for a minute alone, but I didn't see the reverse CPR coming. Did Riley pin his own hands behind his back right before he started so he couldn't fight?

I'm a little thrown off by the fact that Young and TJ haven't talked about the baby dying yet. It was his daughter. I know they've never really known how to talk about the whole affair/pregnancy issue with each other, but Young's also not a jerk.

I think this will totally change Young. He's lost his daughter. He's pretty much lost his wife. He's killed an officer under his command. And he left a man to die in a desert. Add to that he knows he has absolutely no way to find a way for home for these people and just has to hope that they can survive long enough to find something. This will change him.
 

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