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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Sol said something the other night that's just occurred to me again - there's quite an age gap between Jake Lloyd and Natalie Portman. We've all been assuming that the Portman character would be the mother of Luke & Leia - but has this ever been confirmed anywhere? She's obviously vaguely alien, and has no connection with Alderaan. So, what does everyone think?

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

I've avoided most rumors so far, but I think Luke and Leia's mother will actually be the younger human Queen Ama-somethingorother, who I believe we saw in the first trailer. I have no idea if this is correct, though.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Hmm. I hadn't heard that. It makes sense though. Looks like it's just gonna be Ewan McGregor in for the long haul, then. . .

Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Okay then, another question: what's with all the war robots? How come this tech looks even better than the Empire's 40 years later, and why doesn't the Empire use robots?

Then there was another thing that suddenly occurred to me. . . who won the Clone Wars? I mean, we know the Jedi fought them, but there aren't many left at the end - which probably helped the collapse of the Republic. Might all those zillions of Stromtroopers really be clones? Might the Clone Wars have actually been LOST?

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

There are plenty of reasons not to use robots, I suppose. They might not be as effective as human soldiers, or they might be too expensive, or they might be banned for one reason or another, or...

And I think the Clone Wars haven't happened yet as of the first movie.

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Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :

robot troopers might have been banned at some interstellar treaty-signing, just like here on Earth chemical and biological weapons have been [officially] outlawed.

Or, there's always the danger of some computer virus system turning droid-soldiers against their own forces. If an R2 goes mad, no big deal, but if some robot trooper goes postal, that could make a bit of a mess.

Hey, what about someone [jedi?] hitting the robot-factory, stealing the emergency super-secret never-use-unless-you-really-have-to Self Destruct Code, and turning some dictator's grand metal army into so much scrap, and therby pretty much putting an end to the mechanical soldier business overnight {like how The Hindenburg spelled the end of zeppelin traffic for the 20th Century.}

Posted by Sirmaniac on :

Spoilers for those who only see what's in the Trailers, old hat for those who don't mind seeing a bit of the information.

Mind you, I will never get enough spoilers to give away much of the movie, but E-online did spoil one thing for me I never wanted to hear.

By younger queen from the first movie, I assume you mean the one who said, "Are you sure about this, trusting our fate to a boy we hardly know?" that person is Queen Amidala, but she is in hiding, going by the name Padme Naberrie. Queen Amidala is the same one who has the weird accent in the new Trailer.

The age difference is significant, but I think Jake Loyd is playing Anakin as being older than he is, and I think Natalie Portman is playing Amidala younger than she is. Still, the young woman running through the doors telling her compatriots to "Get to your ships!" is much older than the young guy who we see amazed by Jedi with lines such as "You're wizards!" Part of the problem is that Lucas was originally thinking of Anakin as being a little older when he left home, but he decided later a nine-year old leaving home would have more dramatic effect.

Either way, I'm sure the second movie will not look quite so much like Amidala is robbing the cradle; they reportedly will cast a nineteen- or twenty-year old to portray Anakin, Portman is sixteen or seventeen now, and will be close to that in Episode II (even though her character will be older).

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

The First One raises a concern I have with any science fiction prequel, and demonstrates why I am opposed to a Star Trek series that would take place pre-TOS. Any new show is going to have superior effects compared to an older one. And superior effects give the impression of superior technology.

Natalie Portman is seventeen, soon to be eighteen. We discussed this fact in detail as well.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

I know the Clone Wars haven't happened yet - they may feature in the second film, which would dovetail nicely with Kenobi's assertion that Anakin was a young pilot who fought in them. What I'm saying is, we have no evidence that the Jedi won, or even who they were fighting apart from they had a lot of troops who all looked the same!

Posted by Sirmaniac on :

The First one:

Very Slight spoilers for Episode II.
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Evidence seems to suggest the Jedi fight the Mandalore in the clone wars. The Mandalore are the same people who made the armor Boba Fett wears in the movies. It further seems that the Mandalore warriors who wear the armor are the clones. Boba Fett's being in Episode II seem to work toward confirming this rumor, but it is not even remotely known as to whether Fett is a clone or whether he just obtained the armor.

On a slight tangent, the Clone Wars could totally kick. The Jedi action scenes in Episode II (think Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon spinning around several times--Qui-Gon deflecting two blaster bolts, Obi-Wan cutting through two battle droids) look awesome--they blow away the fight scenes in any previous movie. Episode II could give us several Jedi doing what Jedi were meant to do against incredible droves of Mandalore clone warriors (Though I would prefer Jedi vs. Sith--lightsaber combat a la epic proportions). I'm not a slave to action over story, character building, etc. but that would be quite an eye feast (Maybe they'll give us lightsabers in colors other than green, blue, and red).

Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Hmm. Like, say, the Jedi master Li-Ber Achay, with his pink blade? 8)

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

OK Spoiler i guess, even thought my expertise is in the area of Trek spoilers

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OK, I heard that Darth Maul is a puppet of the Emperor or Senetor Palantine... and that Boba Fett was also (in relation to the eps IV V and VI another Puppet of the Emperor)

also that in Ep I its not the empire - its the Trade federation.

also that was Natile portman playing her twin Sister - what is it with Star Wars - a lot of in vitro fertilisation!?!

Andrew

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Okay, so she doesn't look like a Geisha for the whole film. . . in fact, she's a babe. 8)

Notice art-deco retro-style gun.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Wait a minute!!!!

If Anakin had children by the SW1 princess, he would have known Leia was his daughter, because she Leia is the new princess!!

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Different planet, Altair.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Hmmm...

You're right. Somehow I knew this solution was too easy...

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Posted by Sirmaniac on :

First One: after your proclaiming "she's a babe." I couldn't help but wondering if "8) was a smiley face or a rating.

Oh yes! No, no pink blades, though if the colors of the crystals equal the colors of the blades, rose quartz could do the job, but maybe a white or yellow.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Look at the eyebrows people. A sure sign of evil, I tell you. Not that I'm complaining.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Now I really am confused!!

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

That's correct, I guess; the Naboo queen is indeed Luke and Leia's mother.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I've always assumed that fact wasn't in question.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Actually, I DID question it to you directly, remember? Based on the fact that for most of the scenes we see her in the trailer she looks quite alien and is in any event quite a few years older than Jake Lloyd. A difference of about 8 years may not matter much when they're in their 20's, but it's still significant.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

OK, another question, who was the lady in Jedi, who was detailing the attack of the death star to everyone? She said stuff like, Many Bothans died to get these plans to us... etc. etc.

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If Alderaan was blown up in A New Hope, then shouldn't Princess Leia now be Queen Leia? Who was the heir to the Alderaan throne?

Andrew

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

That was Mon Mothma, from Chandrilla.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

First One: Ok, true, true. Uh...so I won't win any awards for clear thinking.

It's sort of hard for Leia to be queen of Alderaan when there isn't any Alderaan to be queen over.

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Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :

Leia, Queen of the Alderaan Asteroid Belt.

Wow, her folks would be so proud.

Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

First of all, Liea *really* isn't from Alderaan. She was adopted by Bail Organa. So it is a coincidence that she happens to be a daughter of the queen of Naboo, and Princess of Alderaan. There really isn't a connection to the two facts.

And another thing, Queen Amidala looks very human...just with a lot of makeup on .

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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

I can't stop thinking that this girl is younger than i am, yet has a considerably higher number on her bank account(s) :]