Don't you think Yoda's Fighting Style is similar to the Chinese........... wait how does a 2' green toad bust on a over 6' man when the guy struggled just to get there with his cane.
I guess Yoda was on drugs again
Posted by Capped In Mic (Member # 709) on :
uhhhhhhhhhh..
actually, one thing that popped in my head when i watched all the sabre battles was 'wasn't this more dramatic when they had actors doing it instead of CGI puppets?!'.. i realize that Yoda was CGI out of necessity, but all of the digitally tweaked fights bothered me.. something just gets lost in the trnslation of it not being very real, as opposed to the Luke trilogy's swordfights, which, out of necessity, were performed by actors and stuntmen holding rods....
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
C'mon, he was the only CGI'ed swordsman of the bigwigs. All the other fights were natural, as well you know. Except for some of the background arena-duelers, I know.
Yoda's augmented movement patterns and reach was of course boosted by his control of the force, I think it was great. You do realize that those two duelants were the two most force/sabremighty we have ever seen fighting, in Star Wars?
Dooku would defeat TESB-Vader as well, Vader didn't have anything close to the level of telekinesis and teleelectrocution of Dooku, not to mention limb function and spinal status.
Plus he is older and more experienced than Vader ever got to be, if we go with Chris Lee's real age, him celebrating his eightieth birthday exactly a month ago.
So Dooku is at least the mightiest human Jedi so far. I don't count Palpatine because I don't know if that piece of turd even bothered to learn how to use a sabre.
Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :
I admit that I did quite like Dooku's sabre style, which was far closer to European fencing than the Oriental styles that have usually dominated so far. Don't get me wrong: I love the Chinese and Japanese styles -- I just thought it was cool to see Dooku doing something completely different.
(Sorry, that didn't say much about Yoda's style, did it?)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I would think that because of his size, Yoda's sabre technique would have to be almost completely original. Unless the Jedi came up with a form specifically for smaller combatants.
As was said before, his leaping attacks were obviously aided by his use of the Force. I'm no martial arts expert, but I would think that his footwork would need to be specifically geared toward someone of his size.
Am I wrong?
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
On the silly side, the first thing that went through my mind when I saw Yoda fighting was.....Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic the Jedi? Yoda the Hedgehog?).
As for all the cgi, well, considering that one of your opponents was originally a Muppet, and the other is a stuntman doing the stuff a 78-year-old actor couldn't possibly do, what else did you expect?
Posted by The Real Folk Blues (Member # 510) on :
quote:Dooku would defeat TESB-Vader as well, Vader didn't have anything close to the level of telekinesis and teleelectrocution of Dooku, not to mention limb function and spinal status.
you have no proof that Vader didn't have these things. he was trying to capture, not kill, Luke. you don't drop a goddam building on someone you are trying to capture, or zap 'em with lightning. besides, Vader is the chosen one and i personally think that Anakin/Vader kills Dooku in episode III.
Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :
I have a feeling Yoda finishes the job in Ep 3. Anakin may kill Mace Windu though, Sam Jackson has said before he doesnt want to die like a chump and he usually gets what he wants.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
quote:something just gets lost in the trnslation of it not being very real,
Well it is a movie.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well a few points
The Yoda sabre scene was one of the lows of the film for me. It was very uninspired. I agree Woodside Kid - The first thing I thought was 'Sonic the Hedgehog'! Actually notice we never got to see even one slow 'move' by Yoda it was all over the place. I reckon this was to counteract the CGI-ness of Yoda and his moving. We had mostly seen Yoda standing or sitting still so far in the prequels. This time we get him to move but low and behold it's so fast we can't even see anything except a swirl of no-dyed cloth and green.
I reckon Yoda and Dooku finish each other off. (in Three) and I reckon Mace get's destroyed by Palpatine - not Annakin.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I voting that Anakin kills Dooku. I think Palpatine will establish this image that the Jedi have turned against the Republic and that, under his direction, the only "loyal" Jedi, Anakin, helps bring about the end of the Separatist movement by destroying their Leader, Count Dooku.
He may very well kill off Mace, too. Remember that Vader supposedly helped the Emperor hunt down all the remaining Jedi. My guess is that Ep 3 will treat us to a slaughter courtesy of the new Sith Apprentice.
Posted by Obese Penguin (Member # 271) on :
I wouldnt rule out Anakin killing off Dooku after all we may see another "conversion session" like the one in ROTJ with Palpatine and Dooku trying to convert Anakin. Perhaps Dooku asks Anakin to "strike him down" ala Palpatine in ROTJ.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I reckon Yoda and Dooku finish each other off."
So, then, how does Yoda come back to life in time for ep. 5?
And was Dooku's style really like fencing? The book described it that way, and I looked for it in the movie, but I couldn't see any difference between his fighting and anyone else's...
Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: And was Dooku's style really like fencing? The book described it that way, and I looked for it in the movie, but I couldn't see any difference between his fighting and anyone else's...
Check the start of Anakin's second attack (IIRC -- it's the start of someone's attack, anyway) and you'll see that he goes one-handed, back hand out and away in traditional fencing posture. He does go two-handed later, but his one-handed style did strike me as very fencing-like.
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
And I think Dooku does a typical fencer's bow, holding his blade up to his face and then pointing to his adversary.
His saber hilt always makes me think of the indian Khukuri/Ghurka knife, what with the weird angle.
[ June 30, 2002, 05:37: Message edited by: Nim Pim ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oops, I meant Yoda and Dooku will finish off the battle that they started in AotC.
Or in Episode 5 Yoda is Yaddle in drag
Andrew
[ June 29, 2002, 04:55: Message edited by: AndrewR ]
Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim Pim: And I think Dooku does a typical fencer's bow, holding his blade up to his face and then pointing to his adversary.
That too! D'oh! Can't believe I forgot that. Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I believe that Anakin will strike down Dooku and take Dooku's side as 'Darth' Anakin (prior to his little accident). Then Obi-wan saves the day and dumps Darth Anakin in a pit of lava or something. So it would be a full circle.
Addition: Just figured it out:
Episode 1: Finds a Force strong boy on Tantoine, his 'master' fights Darth Maul and loses. He destroys a big ship.
Episode 2: Boy now a fully grown teenager fights a better trained Sith and gets his left elbow cut off.
Episode 3: Boy cuts down the better trained Sith with pure rage. Tempted by the Dark Side he joins.
Episode 4: Finds a Force strong boy on Tantoine, his 'master' fights Darth Vader and loses. He destroys a big station.
Episode 5: The Boy now fights a better trained Sith and gets his left hand cut off.
Episode 6: Boy cuts down the better trained Sith with pure rage. Tempted by the Dark Side he refuses. He and his father destroys the Dark side.
[ June 29, 2002, 14:27: Message edited by: Matrix ]
Posted by Ultra Magnus Pym (Member # 239) on :
I wonder where Tantoine is?
I hope Georgie Porridgie has something completely different than lava. I hat when asspulled information seeps into into mainstream consciousness.
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
"He and his father destroys the Dark side."
No.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Tatooine.
Yes.
I find no other explanation for an obviously stronger Force user to be defeated and seriously injured by a weaker Force user.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I wonder where Tantoine is?"
Halfway between Tatooine and Dantooine, of course.
Posted by Ultra Magnus Pym (Member # 239) on :
Ah, yes, yes, yes.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
"It's like literature on crack!"
-- My friend Allison re: the addictiveness of the Harry Potter books.
Posted by Ultra Magnus Pym (Member # 239) on :
Uh?
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Random randomness is all.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
[ June 30, 2002, 03:00: Message edited by: Woodside Kid ]
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
Matrix, I did see your point in your generalization of the overall plots in the Star Wars movies. But. Kenobi wasn't Luke's master, just a helpful guide/protector (Yoda was more of a master to Luke), and Kenobi sacrificed himself as a tactical move to surrender himself to The Force, whereas Qui-Gon Jinn had better things to do than getting impaled. Qui-Gon really wanted to train Anakin, and IMO he probably would've done a better job than Obi-Wan at that.
No, my point was that you can't destroy the dark side anymore than you can destroy cursing and foul language. Where the Dark Side is just The Force interpreted by someone who is angry and hateful, cursing is just someone using The Language (*gasp*!) who is upset and angry, usually.
Luke used the force to choke with in ROTJ, mind you.
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
Updated the comparison, by the by.
He holds it like the indian special forces hold a Khukuri-knife too.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Who did Luke Force-Choke in RotJ?
Luke didn't destroy Vader with Rage - he nearly succombed - but I think after his little outburst he controlled himself. Then he realised how to beat the darkside and he turned off his light sabre.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
He choked one of the Gammorians at the beginning of the movie at the entrance to Jabba's palace.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
Aside from Vader, every Sith we have met (which is three) has some weird lightsaber. I wonder what Palpatine's is...
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Aside from Vader, every Sith we have met (which is three) has some weird lightsaber
Okaaaaay.
Maul has that double-bladed saber, Dooku has the curved hilt saber, but I'm wondering who this 'third' Sith lord is you're speaking of. I'd guess you mean Sidious aka Palpatine, but since we've never seen his lightsaber how do you know it's 'weird'?
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
Vader. But his wasn't weird. It was pink.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Aside from Vader
Sorry, Thoughtychopps!
I still want to know who the third Sith Lord (aside from Vader) is and why his/her lightsaber is so weird!
And Vader's saber was red, not pink.
Posted by Commander Dan (Member # 558) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim Pim: He holds it like the indian special forces hold a Khukuri-knife too.
He is holding his red saber in what is essentially a German guard/block known as a “hengen.” Such a guard, however, would not be used when wielding a rapier, which is what Dooku’s red saber is based upon. (Rapiers with “bent hilts” showed up in the Renaissance.)
I do not recognize the position in which he is holding the blue saber. It is not based on any European guard or block that I am aware of. (It is my assertion that holding it with his arm so far extended is a really BAD idea.)
[ June 30, 2002, 23:52: Message edited by: Commander Dan ]
Posted by Nim Pim (Member # 205) on :
I wasn't talking about the stance, I meant how he held it in his hand, curve outwards.
And that's just a Dooku poster pic, from a scene that was never shown, because they changed their minds and decided that Anakin should get two sabers, something he obviously hadn't practiced on enough, since he only pulled the dual-wielding off for about four seconds before his "radical manicure operation". But it sure looked good in the trailer.
Although, he covers a lot of attack angles with that guard.
[ July 01, 2002, 01:33: Message edited by: Nim Pim ]
Posted by NeitherJediNorSith (Member # 1461) on :
quote:Nim: You do realize that those two duelants were the two most force/sabremighty we have ever seen fighting, in Star Wars?
Just to note: Darth Sidious is supposed to be the current #1 Sith in the Galaxy. His saber techniques are supposed to be the best, probably only matched by Yoda. Darth Maul attacked Sidious after he barely survived a training exervise on some god forsaken planet. With all of his skill and rage, Maul could not even come close to besting Sidious. He's old, he's twisted, but he's better than Dooku.
quote:Nim: Dooku would defeat TESB-Vader as well, Vader didn't have anything close to the level of telekinesis and teleelectrocution of Dooku, not to mention limb function and spinal status.
This may not be true. Vader is hindered by the fact that he is mostly cybernetic in Episodes four through six. However, his force abilities in general only grew. At his prime he would have beaten Dooky easily. Afterall, he's the Chosen One. Anakin utilizes Force Lightening (not "teleelectrocution") in the EP3 game. Perhaps he will do so in the film as well.
quote:Nim: Plus he is older and more experienced than Vader ever got to be, if we go with Chris Lee's real age, him celebrating his eightieth birthday exactly a month ago. So Dooku is at least the mightiest human Jedi so far.
Anakin fights Dooku ala "Vader and Luke in ROTJ" in the EP3 game. Perhaps he will do this in the film. Dooku dies, and many speculate that it will be at the hands of Anakin. The beauty of being the Chosen One is that Anakins powers grow stronger and faster than anyone else's. The sudden amplification of his powers by turning to the dark side probably push him past Dooku's level. I believe that all Jedis have a static power level. It's just unrealized. It's like freeing your mind in the Matrix (sorry, had to for the sake of analogy). If this is true, Anakin was always more powerful than everyone else. He just hasn't tapped into all of it yet.
Also, do not neglect Mace. StarWars.com explicitly says that Dooku is a better swordsman than Mace, but Mace is one powerful son of a gun. Some argue that Dooku is stronger because he's older and can generate Force Lightening. A lot of people say that force lighting is a symbol of attaining a certain power level. I'll bet Mace can do it, he just doesn't because it's a cheap tactic. Same goes for most Jedi. It seems to be a move reserved for the cowardly fools that are the Sith. On a contrasting note, I wouldn't be surprised if Dooku turns out to be much more powerful than Mace. 1) Yoda trained him. 2) Joining the dark side gives you a quick power boost. 3) He's trained for much longer.
quote:Obese Penguin: I have a feeling Yoda finishes the job in Ep 3. Anakin may kill Mace Windu though, Sam Jackson has said before he doesnt want to die like a chump and he usually gets what he wants.
The trailer and talk surrounding the EP3 game show and depict Anakin fighting Mace. Anakin fighting and killing Mace would be a true testament to his abilities. It would also solidify his siding with the dark side. Mace may very well be the first Jedi that Anakin kills in his famed extermination efforts.
If Yoda kills Dooku, wow, that would be fitting. However, my comment above about Dooku and Anakin obviously indicates that I feel otherwise. Remember, only two true Sith can exist at any given time. Asajj didn't last. Dooku cannot either. Sidious knows this. He wants Anakin to take Dooku's place. Dooku thinks Anakin is a pawn, more than likely. If he doesn't, does he seriously think Anakin is weak? He's a fool if he does. He's pompous anyway.
quote:Free ThoughtCrime America: Vader. But his wasn't weird. It was pink.
Vader's was red while he was a Sith, blue while he was Jedi.
[ December 28, 2004, 04:55 PM: Message edited by: Nim' ]
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Dude!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
YODA'S NEW FIGHTING TECHNIQUE IS UNSTOPPABLE
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
"Sonic Hedgehog fighting style"
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
NeitherJediNorSith, you do realize this is a 2.5-year old thread?
Some of the things in your post could be considered spoiler-material, I added a spoiler-note which is custom in this forum. Whether or not most of the events in Ep.III are easily predictable, there are many people who prefer not to know anything at all about what's to come, and revealing plot points in the Ep.III computer game (like the Ep.I and II games) constitutes as a spoiler.
You wrote:
quote:This may not be true. Vader is hindered by the fact that he is mostly cybernetic in Episodes four through six. However, his force abilities in general only grew. At his prime he would have beaten Dooky easily. Afterall, he's the Chosen One. Anakin utilizes Force Lightening (not "teleelectrocution") in the EP3 game. Perhaps he will do so in the film as well.
If we look at the techniques and temperament of Vader in the duel at Bespin, we see that he is very prone to acts of rage and underestimation, swinging wildly and with excessive force. He of course eventually beat Luke when he had had enough, and Luke who was even more reckless couldn't hold the initiative.
Dooku never showed anything else than elegance, tempo and initiative, with very clean and strong moves. He beat both Knights by the numbers and wasted almost no energy other than what was needed, although he seemed fatigued after.
If he Dooku does face off against Anakin again and loses, I suspect some sort of Deus Ex Machina might be involved, or that he is caught offguard. But we'll see.
quote:Also, do not neglect Mace.
I don't believe I ever have? One can debate the level of force mastery in different characters to death (it's mostly highly relative and subjective) but Mace Windu has been stated and shown as being the best with a lightsaber and overall strongest Jedi human. I think he could take Maul, Vader or Dooku in a fair fight (without Deus Ex Machinas from the sithies). I don't suspect his fate in Episode III (whatever it may be) will be sealed through fair means, though.
quote:Remember, only two true Sith can exist at any given time. Asajj didn't last. Dooku cannot either. Sidious knows this. He wants Anakin to take Dooku's place. Dooku thinks Anakin is a pawn, more than likely. If he doesn't, does he seriously think Anakin is weak? He's a fool if he does. He's pompous anyway.
Anakin was never anything but a pawn under Palpatine, especially not as Vader.
Dooku is probably not a fool, but his pomposity is something old men with much power often develop, and more often than not old cynics like him also have the experience and strength to put young whippersnappers in their place. Hence, they have earned the right to be pompous.
quote:Some argue that Dooku is stronger because he's older and can generate Force Lightening. A lot of people say that force lighting is a symbol of attaining a certain power level. I'll bet Mace can do it, he just doesn't because it's a cheap tactic. Same goes for most Jedi. It seems to be a move reserved for the cowardly fools that are the Sith.
Force Lightning is an offensive, draining and very malicious tool, so Jedi are by default ethically forbidden to use it. Yoda, however, had no problem absorbing Dooku's surge and sending it back with more precision and power than Dooku, forcing him to deflect it at random and show his relative inexperience.
I don't think Jedi in general are good at using Force Lightning, they'd have to practice to be able to harness and control it, and if they deliberately don't practice it they can't utilize it. They can, however, learn how to repel such an attack directed towards them, and I'm not just talking about Kenobi's brilliant absorption in early Dooku-brawl.
In the same sense that a saber duelist never has force-pulled an opponent's saber from his hands, I don't think a Sith could assail a prepared and alert Jedi with F**** Choke or F**** Lightning because the Jedi has his Force Guard up, so to speak.
Maul's Force Pushing of Kenobi into the pit, though, shows that a Jedi caught off-guard has little defense if he hasn't thought two steps ahead.
I heard a metaphor about this phenomenon in a martial arts movie once ("Perfect Weapon, The"), with a master pointing out why a human will beat a tiger always. It is because the tiger might be stronger, but he can never think ahead, only act on instinct and routine. A human can figure out a tiger's patterns and put the next attack in the revealing chinks of its lowered guard, which he can predict by seeing the telltales in its movements.
It wasn't as longwinded as this in the movie, but you can't see my gesticulating, so...
In any cayce, the second season of "Clone Wars" will doubtless show new meat and potatoes in the characters involved, and I predict it will be fun.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"Sonic Hedgehog fighting style"
Seal off this thread, quickly! The Australian, he sees everything...
(Also, my favorite character can kick your favorite character's ass.)
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim': Some of the things in your post could be considered spoiler-material, I added a spoiler-note which is custom in this forum.
For which I wholeheartedly thank you.
Marian
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cartman: "Sonic Hedgehog fighting style"
Seal off this thread, quickly! The Australian, he sees everything...
(Also, my favorite character can kick your favorite character's ass.)
Funny...I dont feel Australlian...
My favorite charcater is Duckman- and Yoda would stand no chance against his powers of depravity. Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
quote: Dooku never showed anything else than elegance, tempo and initiative, with very clean and strong moves. He beat both Knights by the numbers and wasted almost no energy other than what was needed, although he seemed fatigued after.
Dooku after he fought Anakin was drained, because of Anakin's brute power. It was only Dooku's experience and training that saved him. Obviously, either Anakin got better at the lightsaber duel or he just got far more powerful than Dooku can handle either as a Jedi or a Sith.
I think the reason why Vader is the way he is in the original trilogy (Star Wars thinking) besides the fact that he is practically a machine, is that he wasn't fully trained as a Jedi. Obviously, Vader/Anakin was easier to agitate or anger. Dooku was pretty much like Obi Wan in Episode IV except that he (Dooku) was a better trained and more powerful Jedi than Obi Wan. So Jedi as they get older become more mellow. I'm sure that Dooku (like Obi Wan in Ep I) was easier to ge him angry.
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
Keep in mind that Obi-Wan wasn't beaten by Vader, he gave up his life, recognizing that his part in the puzzle was over for now. Remember the look he gave to Luke, before lifting back his saber? Very confident, hopeful and perhaps relieved that Luke hadn't fallen down in some bottomless chasm so far. This little one would carry on the struggle. Maybe he had a premonition of the events in TESB or ROTJ.
During his last moments, Kenobi didn't look fatigued or distressed at all, though he knew and had accepted that he couldn't beat Vader by force, obviously. Like two armwrestlers, where one is markedly stronger, but the other is better at defense and locking the elbow, it can go on a long time.
About Dooku, I wouldn't agree that he was mellow against Kenobi/Anakin, he held the initiative almost all the time, and did beat Kenobi by being stronger (saberlock). I think saberlocks aren't only resolved by the one physically stronger, but also stronger in the force. He even grinned at Kenobi when subduing him, that's my favorite part of the movie, the malevolence and dry, sardonic assurance in that smile.
That's why I think he's a cool guy, Lee. I know no other actor at that age that can deliver such imaginative and dynamic acting expressions. I once sparred with an australian 7th Dan Shihan, he threw himself over my chinks and comparatively sloppy guard poses like a hungry kitten, it was very humiliating.
Posted by Jim NCC1701A (Member # 1021) on :
You guys are missing the glaringly bleeding obvious
Boda Fett will be the one to kill Mace. Fits in with the whole "Revenge' of the title. Sure, Fett ain't a Sith but Mace did kill his father.
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
Yeah well I don't want to speculate in that beforehand, I prefer to just let it roll over me as unawares as possible, like a moose stampede. *slurp*
Posted by NeitherJediNorSith (Member # 1461) on :
quote:Nim: He beat both Knights by the numbers and wasted almost no energy other than what was needed, although he seemed fatigued after.
I always assumed that this look of fatigue tied in with the fact that he just injured Palpatine's prize pet. It had to be done, but perhaps we was mentally recoiled as if to say, "Oh crap." He immediately turned to face Yoda with seemingly no remnants of exhaustion. Whether or not Dooku knows Palpatine's true intentions with Anakin I cannot even say.
quote:Nim: One can debate the level of force mastery in different characters to death (it's mostly highly relative and subjective) but Mace Windu has been stated and shown as being the best with a lightsaber and overall strongest Jedi human.
Sorry for any confusion. The comment I made about neglecting Mace had to do with your comment about Dooku being the mightiest human Jedi. I personally feel that Mace holds this title, but only because of moot canon details leaked out by the filmmakers about Mace being unparalleled by anyone but Yoda (though they have since added the fact that only Yoda and Dooku have ever been able to best him in a saber spar).
quote:Nim: I think he [Mace] could take Maul, Vader or Dooku in a fair fight (without Deus Ex Machinas from the sithies).
I agree.
quote:Nim: Anakin was never anything but a pawn under Palpatine, especially not as Vader.
I agree. To further elaborate what I meant, I feel that Dooku sees Anakin as a pawn under Palpatine, but he might actually be foolish enough to see himself as Palpatine's equal and or near equal. He may therefore assume that Palpatine has no desire to replace him with Anakin. Maybe he does and he's ok with it. Once again I do not know for sure.
quote:Nim: They can, however, learn how to repel such an attack directed towards them, and I'm not just talking about Kenobi's brilliant absorption in early Dooku-brawl.
If one can use the Force to generate such things, it only logically implies that they can use said Force to counter these elements/attacks. Some sort of energy force field or telekinetic deflection would be viable. I am reminded of the opening sequence to a video game called "Mortal Kombat: Deception." A character named Raiden is fighting two sorcerers. He is a "thunder god" and he can produce electricity at will. He, at one point in the battle, deflects a projectile using a sort of energy/electricity shield. The effect is very well presented and eye-pleasing. I often envision Jedi doing similar things.
quote:Nim: Maul's Force Pushing of Kenobi into the pit, though, shows that a Jedi caught off-guard has little defense if he hasn't thought two steps ahead.
I once read on the official site that Maul was able to do this because Kenobi was angry and impulsive. This slightly tapped him into the darkside which allowed Maul to use a force push.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Or because Kenobi was relativly inexperienced when he fought Maul. (Maul himself would have been a relative rookie: it's VERY unlikely he'd ever fought a Jedi before Ep.I)
Kenobi is not suprised to see the ol' "Darkfore Lightening" (I always think of "Grease Lightening" when I see that typed) used against him: Mabye he'd fought someone using it before or -possibly- Jedis are specifically trained to both use and repel force-generated electrical attacks.
I'd think that a handy ability to use agaiinst droids (no Darkforce required there- they aren't officially "alive").
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jim NCC1701A: You guys are missing the glaringly bleeding obvious
Boda Fett will be the one to kill Mace. Fits in with the whole "Revenge' of the title. Sure, Fett ain't a Sith but Mace did kill his father.
And Boba got accidently clocked by Han in ROTJ.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Because Han's dad was killed by Boba Fett.....yeah! That's it! The galaxy is really that small!
Posted by NeitherJediNorSith (Member # 1461) on :
quote:Or because Kenobi was relativly inexperienced when he fought Maul. (Maul himself would have been a relative rookie: it's VERY unlikely he'd ever fought a Jedi before Ep.I)
He's fought many many enemies and he's even saber sparred with Palpatine. The excerpt that I read said that he attacked Palpatine with all of his might and anger, and that he actually almost bested him for a brief moment. The novelization of Ep1 also states that Maul had reached the peek of his abilities. He was the best he could ever be, he wasn't going to get better. That suddenly made me see Maul as very pathetic whereas I used to think he was very amazing. Yes, Obi-Wan was inexperienced when he fought Maul. He was still a padawan. They allowed him to take on the rank of Knight because the battle with a Sith substituted the trials. Who was better at the time? I feel that Maul was marginally better in terms of skill, but definitely not with heart. Obi has only grown since then. Obi-Wan at the end of Ep2 could defeat Maul from Ep1, no contest. Anyway, your comment rings some truth. However, I literally read on the official site that Obi-Wan's anger tapped into the dark side just a tab bit and that allowed Maul to sneek in a force maneuver.
quote:Mabye he'd fought someone using it before or -possibly- Jedis are specifically trained to both use and repel force-generated electrical attacks.
I doubt it's a secret. All Jedi probably know about it in theory (at the very least). I'm assuming you must be quite powerful and skilled to utilize it. You'll note that even though he countered it, he was seemingly scared right after Dooku zapped Anakin.
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
quote:He's fought many many enemies and he's even saber sparred with Palpatine.
Well that's from the magazines, I'm not so sure they are canon, it's a grey area. Taking out Qui-Gon Jinn was no small feat, though. Maul's technical and tactical skills were impeccable. In fact, they made him so good that they had to insert a last-minute Kenobi-"TaDa!!" that he had to pretend to be surprised by to kill his character off. In real life, Ray Park would probably beat Ewan McGregor or perhaps even Ian McDiarmid, unless Ian had a powermod.
quote:Obi has only grown since then. Obi-Wan at the end of Ep2 could defeat Maul from Ep1, no contest.
What do you base that on? I think Qui-Gon would beat Geonosis-Kenobi, and Qui-Gon was beaten by Maul. But this is all conjecture.
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