I think I am most looking forward to seeing Darth Vader kick some Jedi A$$, before he gets all the medical enhancments that turn him in to the creature we recognise from Ep IV A New Hope.
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I'm looking forward to lightsaber duel after lightsaber duel. After seeing the most recent Episode III TV ad, "Unite", I think there are at least four instances of lightsaber dueling: Anakin and Obi Wan versus Dooku, Obi Wan versus General Grievous, Yoda/Mace Windu/etc. versus Palpatine, and Obi Wan versus Anakin. All that on-screen action should cut down on the time available for the kind of melodrama we saw in Episode II.
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
General Grievous in full CGI as opposed to the cartoon "Big Bad Wolf"-Grievous.
Posted by David Sands (Member # 132) on :
Seeing Palpatine in a full-on physical fight, i.e., not mere mind games.
Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
Mace Windu's "bad ass death" and to see if he actually disapears or not.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Obi Wan vs. Grevius. The Obi Wan/ Jango Fett fight was by far the best thing in Ep II, so this should be far better.
...and Anakin's deep-fry, of course.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Padme crying her pretty little eyes out. Stupid women who fall for macho pretty boys and expect everything to work out fine kind of irtritate me.
Also, all the fighting.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Macho"? He was a whiny-ass little twat. And really creepy when they were alone together.
Frankly, the only thing she could possibly have seen in him is the fact that he had a big lightsaber and knew how to handle it.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
What else is there, really?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
He always reminded me of Papalazerou from the League Of Gentlemen. I could just seeing him hugging Padme and saying "you're my wife now!"
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
OK... maybe macho isn't the right word. Arrogant. Petulant. Pissy. Self abosorbed. High school football player-ish. Plus he goes and slaughters a whole tribe of sand people and she doesn't pick up on his instability. And yes... the creepiness. Basically red flags everywhere which were ignored due to his mad hunkiness. Well... that and the wicked Jedi mind juju he was probably throwing her way.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Of course, the alternative of not being an insane maniac would have just resulted in Padme saying "I love you, but only as a friend".
Bitch.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Padme's the ultimate head cheerleader who got herself in trouble.
"Anakin, you're breaking my heart." *smack* "Shaddup woman and go fix me a turkey pot pie."
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Padme: " I can CLEAN for you. I learned from Obi-Leon"
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Anakin on a football team? I doubt it.
Posted by David Sands (Member # 132) on :
I'm with Sol. Hayden's built more like a baseball player.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Padme the cheerleader? I don't think so... more like Padme the one with the bad taste that ultimately killed her.
It's not like it's the first time women pick homicidal maniacs that turn on them.
I'm looking foward to a scene where Hayden doesn't sound like he's having a wet dream. That Ep. II scene made everyone laugh in the theatre.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, my doubt was more along the lines of: any self respecting football team would give Anakin a swirly and then toss him in a dumpster.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I can no longer blame Hayden Christensen for Ep II.
Watch a movie called Shattered Glass and see him do a bang-up job as...well...a whiney, immature, conniving, lying fucko. Pretty good acting though- I really hated him by the movie's end.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
quote:a whiney, immature, conniving, lying fucko
So, not typecast then.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well...not the same kind of whiney, immature, conniving, lying fucko.
He's actually likable at the film's start, and you feel sorta bad for him as al his lies are revealed in painful slowness by his editor.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Well, I'm not looking forward to this, but I want/expect to see:
C-3P0 and R2D2 getting either a full or partial memory wipe. In ANH 3P0 didn't know appear to recognize Tatooine, nor did he appear to recognize the Skywalker name. Kinda odd since Anakin Skywalker built him on Tatooine.
But, I suspect this point will be overlooked.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think they'll cover the memory wipe. Then again... they may just leave it to be assumed by the viewer that it happened... who knows.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I think that Lucus has said that they will have their memories wiped.
Not that it matters. There are certainly plenty of ways around it (it happens off camera, Threepio is lying through his teeth), and I hate stories that pause to explain pointless fanfacts.
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I expect C-3PO to get a memory wipe, but I suspect that R2-D2 escapes with a bit more of his (its?) memory intact. It did seem a little strange that R2 had a fairly good idea of where Obi-Wan could be found on Tatooine, although I suppose Leia may have known. I just like the idea of R2, with his somewhat limited communication abilities, quietly holding all these big secrets in his memory banks.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yah, I've always kind of wondered if R2 wasn't a little more clued in to everything than 3PO too...
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
Now I understand why 3P0 was split up from the others in Cloud City, otherwise the whole plot would've gone to hell.
Han&Leia: GASP!
Vader: We would be honored if you wou- ...Threepio???
3P0: Maker???
Vader: *tear rolls down cheek, exploding helmet*
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
You would think that Obi-Wan would have recognized the two droids.
On the other hand, droids are pretty ubiquitous.
Personally, one of my PM gripes is that it was completely unnecessary to have Anakin be C-3P0's creator. He could have been on Amadala's ship the whole time. Especially since the saga was to be told from the droid's point of view.
As an aside... We saw a Protocol Droid on the Trade Federation ship in the opening scenes. Anakin a standard-looking (well, after he gets his skin) Protocol Droid. Does this mean you can buy them in kits from Droid-O Shack or something?
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
With regards to Obi-Wan and the droids, I think the prequels show very little interaction between him and them. C-3PO was left on Tatooine up until near the end of Episode II, with Obi-Wan having met him only once. The only one Obi-Wan might have seen with any frequency was R2. But between Episodes I and II, which are separated by several years, he may have only interacted with the droid a couple times. Unless there's some major change in this trend in Episode III, it's not that surprising that he wouldn't recognize two droids with designations and bodies similar to those of their mass-produced brethren.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Or maybe he did recognize them. Especially after Luke said their names in Ep 4. It wouldn't be beyond belief to imagine that he just neglected to mention he knew them. It would've gotten into a whole part of the story he didn't want Luke to know about just yet.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Or, it could be that he was being coy when he said he didn't remember them. Afterall, he was a hunted man, and this was the son of the dude who wiped out all your buddies. Even though Luke didn't know it. He also lied to Luke when he said that Vader killed his father. Or maybe he did a Jedi mind trick on himself to wipe HIS memory.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Like how unbelievably small the galaxy seems to be? How you're certain to run into every fucker you've ever met again and again?
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Groundhog Day Universe?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye Obi-Wan's moment of sensing "millions of souls being snuffed out" refers to Lucas changing the storm-troopers into clones...
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
That is one of the things I was wondering. In IV, when Luke busts into Leia's cell she says "Kinda short for a trooper aren't you" or something similar. There were also two troopers talking chit-chat when ObiWan disabled the tractor beam. I never have gotten the feeling that the clones were much more than automatons. So are there ranks of troopers who are not clones? Are most of the clones killed off in the wars?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
What, just because a guy's decanted in a test tube he can't read Speeder & Driver? For shame.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
They did not seem real chatty at the breakfast table though...
I figure at least some of the troopers had to be conscripts- the pilots anyway (as Luke was wanting to join the flight academy).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Why would you think the pilots are clones? Or, rather, why do the Stormtroopers have to also be the pilots?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Because they wear the same outfits but they are like totally black dude which is the coolest colour.
Surely the fact that the Stormtroopers didn't sound Australian showed that at least some weren't clones?
I hate this argument.
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
Well would you rather the clones ran around corners shouting "Hold your position!", "Enemy spotted" and "Roger that"?
And Temuera is maori, not aboriginal.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Did Lucas not replace all the trooper's dialogue in the revised-revised SE? I heard he intended to (though I dont really watch my "normal" special editions and I'm sure not buying the new ones on DVD anytime soon).
I know he replaced Boba Fetts meager lines (thus Jeremy Brett's status as a sci-fi convention staple is put at risk).
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Maybe Lucas intends to replace all of us with movie-watching clones that will stand inline two weeks before the premier brandishing plastic lightsabres
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't think he replaced the Troopers' voices. Ep 4 is only one I've seen of the brand new super editions and I was listening for that. Don't know about Boba Fett, though, as I haven't seen ESB yet. I guess it would make sense.
I would imagine, though, that after the Clone Wars, the stock of Clone Troopers was pretty well depleted, and something tells me that the cloners on Kamino wouldn't really want to fund a galactic civil war. Or maybe they started putting easter eggs in the clones, like, if anyone says "lightsaber", all the clones that hear it start wetting themselves and swearing at Palpatine Terrets style.
Either way, I think the ranks were probably opened up to include non-clones sometime after the clone wars.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye the Kaminoloids are secretly responsible for the Stormtroopers exceptionally poor targeting skills. (pictures thousands of crosseyed Jango clones).
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
A major continuity gaffe. In Return of the Jedi, Luke and Leia are having a private intimate chat on Endor prior to Luke meeting his father. In this conversation, Luke asks Leia for if she remembered her biological mother and what she knew. Leia responds that she does remember her mother and has impressions of her being "very sad". If Amidala dies in the next movie giving birth, then how did Leia have memories of her mother?
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Who says Amidala dies in the next movie?
And even if she does ... I mean, clearly, Leia was intended to be the more visible of the twins, which is why she was adopted by Bail Organa. You think Bail or Yoda or Kenobi wanted the Emperor realizing, "Shit! That's Vader's kid!" Of course not. But, then, where'd Leia come from to be adopted? So Leia goes with one of Padme's coterie, is cared for by her for a couple of years, then passed on to Organa.
Or not. But really - who says Padme dies?
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Re: cloned Stormtroopers & pilots
Didn't Biggs fly for the Empire before switching sides to fight for the Rebels? And didn't Red Leader tell Luke - at least, in a cut scene? - that he'd flown with Anakin? Both of which imply that the Republic, in addition to using clone pilots, also used human pilots -- and also that the Empire uses human pilots as opposed to clones.
I would also imagine that its cheaper to raise a natural human army of Stormtroopers than it is to have them cloned.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
"I would also imagine that its cheaper to raise a natural human army of Stormtroopers than it is to have them cloned."
I'm not so sure this is a warranted assumption. Weren't the clones on some sort of accelerated growth/learning by direct brain injection program? That probably cuts down on teacher salaries, at the very least.
You know, this is (these are?) the "Clone Wars," but nobody calls WWII the "Airplane War."
Well, I guess somebody might, but I am going to preemptively dismiss them with an idle wave of my hand.
("Oh man, we learned all about the Bridle Wars of Asia today in school!")
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mighty Blogger Snay: Who says Amidala dies in the next movie?
Every spoiler report that I've read.
And no, the Stormtroopers have not been dubbed by Temuera Morrison on the original trilogy DVDs, despite Boba Fett having been.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I've posted links to spoiler pics -several times- that show Amidalia's death scene on the operating table with Kenobi, Yoda, and the droids all present.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Forgive me if I missed it, but at what point did this thread turn from "I'm avoiding spoilers and waiting to see the film" to "Let's ruin things for Liam"?
If I failed to spot the spoiler warning, then sorry. If I didn't, you are all big fat fucking idiots.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Oh come now, isn't that rather like saying that knowing Anakin will turn into Darth Vader ruins things for you? Or that Palpatine and Sidious are (*GASP*) one and the same dude?
OF COURSE SHE DIES! THAT MUCH WE KNOW FOR CERTAIN! SO DO ALL THE JEDI EXCEPT FOR YODA AND OBI-WAN! YES, THIS INCLUDES MACE WINDU! MY, WHAT EARTH-SHATTERING SPOILERS!
Yeah, but seriously, dude, my bad.
-MMoM Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Well, no, we didn't know she died. As has been pointed out, Leia seemed to know what she was like. So she could have been smuggled to Alderaan or something like that.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, none of us has seen the movie yet, so mabye she gets cloned or mabye Leia is raised by Bail's young hottie wife (hey, he runs the fucking planey- he should have a hottie!).
$$$ VAGUE SPOILER FOR THE TECHNICALLY INCLINED$$$$
I'm looking forward to hearing James Earl Jones' voice as vader this time around- it sounds more filtered and metallic. Mabye due to the relativly new technology?
I also look forward to watching Yoda get his ass kicked.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Will there be nice, shiny, NEW X-Wings?
Posted by Not Invented Here (Member # 1606) on :
Re: Non-cloned Stormtroopers
I believe this was dealt with in Timothy Zahn's novels, the Heir to the Empire trilogy. It's a long time since I read them, and even then I only read parts of them, but one point I seem to remember is Luke killing some Stormtroopers, removing their helmets, and discovering they look identical. This led to the realisation that C'Boath, the dark jedi master, had discovered a Kaminoan cloning machine (In fact, didn't he clone himself, hence him being mad?).
The implication of this is that at some point in the Clone Wars Kaminoa gets totalled, and the cloning machines destroyed. So I guess the Empire had to fill the ranks somehow.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I wouldn't doubt that Palpatine ensures the detruction of Kamino. There are too many loose ends there that he probably wouldn't want floating around. They had contact with Sifo Dias (whoever that turns out to be... I'm guessing a Force halluciantion created by Palpatine himself). I think the cloning technology in the Zahn triogy was Sparti, though... not Kaminoan.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:They had contact with Sifo Dias (whoever that turns out to be... I'm guessing a Force halluciantion created by Palpatine himself).
No, I think Sifo Dias was a real Jedi, who Dooku impersonated to place the clone order - remember, it was Dooku who recruited Fett in the first place. The implication is that Dooku - who may have still been on the Jedi Council at that point - either arranged for Sifo Dias' death, or simply took advantage of Sifo Dias' tragic (but unrelated) demise.
quote:I'm not so sure this is a warranted assumption. Weren't the clones on some sort of accelerated growth/learning by direct brain injection program? That probably cuts down on teacher salaries, at the very least.
I disagree. In an organization as big as the Republic - and soon to be the Empire - you're bound to have a lot of young males eligible for military service. You'd have to pay for their training and housing anyway, but by going away from clones, you don't have to pay for their growth. Besides which, pre-adulthood education expenses would most likely be chalked off as a regional planetary expense associated with any populated world, and not counted towards the cost of raising and maintaining a military force.
quote:I believe this was dealt with in Timothy Zahn's novels, the Heir to the Empire trilogy.
I don't think we can take anything from Heir to the Empire and assume it to be fact. Remember, according to the Zahn novels, the Old Republic had a standing military, and also that Darth Vader lost his right hand as punishment for trying to coerce Luke into overthrowing the Empire -- not because as a young, headstrong Jedi padawan, Anakin attacked a Sith Lord.
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Jason Abbadon and The Mighty Monkey of Mim. Fuck you both. I like you both, but please understand that I have been trying to avoid all spoilers of the film, or at least as many as I can, and I don't appreciate either of you just sprouting them out willy-nilly. There's a difference between knowing that Anakin turns into Darth Vader -- because that fact is made very clear in The Empire Strikes Back (you remember that scene? "Luke, *I* am your father!") -- and that Amidala dies, which to those who remember Leia's lines in Return of the Jedi, might come as a true shock & surprise. So please try to be more considerate in the future.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Here's a spoiler: this movie is going to be terrible.
POW!
No, but seriously: since there's nothing to say how much it costs to grow a clone versus raising a child, how can you say which is cheaper? Not to mention that you can needlessly throw away the lives of clones without having to bother with "reeducating" their families should they raise a fuss.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Who would throw a fuss when their son died fighting the evil Rebellion that threatens the security of the peaceful Empire and it's loving citizens?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Oh, I'm sure the Empire's minitru is going at full speed, but propaganda doesn't have quite the same grip on people who are more immediately involved in the situation you are attempting to spin. And it works in the other direction too. It always helps, if you are trying to build a totalitarian state, to keep your military and civilian populations seperate, so that you won't be placed in the awkward situation of having some higher-up balk when ordered to, say, blow up his home planet.
(But note that I'm not saying: "Hey, they're all clones for sure!" I just don't think there's enough information to say that clones are economically unviable in Star Wars.)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Oh, I'm sure the Empire's minitru is going at full speed, but propaganda doesn't have quite the same grip on people who are more immediately involved in the situation you are attempting to spin."
I think, though, his point is that, if your relative gets killed fighting for the Empire, you're not going to file a complaint with the Emperor's office. If you did, they'd just accuse you of hating freedom and letting the terrorists win. ...er, rebels win.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
And silencing your complaint constitutes an expense, is all I'm saying.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Let me put this another way - I think the whole reason Sidious planned the clones was so that the clone army could be completed entirely in secret -- certainly, even in a government body as big as the Republic, people would notice if their kids were being drafted into an illegal military. In addition, of course, to fighting the Separatist Movement in the war he planned, cloning an army would -- at least initially -- provide Sidious with what he needed to sieze control of the Republic, both by exterminating the Jedi, and by forcing unruly planets to submit to his rule.
Furthermore, we know that the Grand Army of the Republic is made up entirely of clones. Led by Jedi, certainly, but the army itself, from the highest ranking officer, to the pilot corps, to the lowest buck-private, is made up of Jango Fett clones.
Yet in the Star Wars Trilogy, we see Imperial military personnel who are not clones -- the officers on the Star Destroyer, the troopers guarding the detention blocks and dragging away Captain Needa's corpse. The technicians lined up in rows in the Star Destroyers' control pits. These are all clearly folks who have either been conscripted or willing enlisted in the service of the Empire's military.
Logic would then lead us to the conclusion that the Empire has done away with clones altogether. I suppose you could make the arguement that the Empire kept clones for its Stormtrooper ranks, but why not just accept the foregone conclusion? The Empire is a military dictatorship, and why pay for clones when they can just draft the able-bodied male population of any given world to suit their needs?
quote:And silencing your complaint constitutes an expense, is all I'm saying.
Does it ever seem to you like the Empire cares about that expense? I mean, they killed how many billions of people when they destroyed Alderaan?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
$$$SPOILER SPECLATION- NOT TO OFFEND SNAY OR LIAM, SO THERE!$$$
It seems to me that part of Palpaltine's plan in creating the war between seperatists and the Republic's clone army is to both eliminate any potential dissidents from his planned Empire (the Seperatists would have been part of the Rebel Alliance is not eliminated in Ep. III) and to discredit the Jedi's in the eyes of the senate.
This means Palpaltine is probably the smartest super-baddie of all time in sci-fi (or he can see the future with uncanny clarity...well, untill Luke comes along and Vader chucks him down the bottomless pit).
So (as speculation here), I think Sideous plans the war faaaar in advance (from both sides) as a means to both consilidate personal power and to kill off the Jedi as revenge for....er...his not being popular in galactic high-school.
Or something.
Hopefully, we'll find out exactly why the Sith have his bug up their asses over the Jedi.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
If they don't care about expense, what does it matter if recruits are cheaper than clones?
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
I didn't say they didn't care about expense, I said they didn't seem to care about *that* expense, i.e., killing people who make a fuss.
And if the Empire is going to clone their army -- why not their officers, or techs? I mean, it'd probably be nice to have enough competent officer clones on board the Executor so that personnel isn't always looking for a new ship's admiral, right?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
See, the thing is, you seem to be saying it has to either be all clones or no clones. All I'm saying is there's plenty of room for clones in Star Wars if Lucas wants to keep them around.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Why clone your officers? Imagine an army tody led by WWI officers...
No, a cloned officer structure would not allow for new thinking or innovative ideas.
Besides, an enemy could work up a psyche profile on say all your generals, and predict your battleplans over and over.
I tend to agree with Sol tht there is room for both clones and conscripts/recruits (though I think there would be unavoidable animinity between them).
I prefer Zahn's notion that after the Clone Wars, cloning tech was outlawed by the Empire -after all, a rebel force might easily clone up an effective army in secret in oh, say...ten years. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Hopefully, we'll find out exactly why the Sith have his bug up their asses over the Jedi."
Erm... Because they are the antitheses of each other?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Not good enough.
I am the antithesis of polka music but you dont see me killing off polka musicians.
yet. Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
No rule against having clone and non-clone Stormtroopers. It doesn't have to be all or none.
In fact, it's a big galaxy. The Empire needs lots of troops. Plus you need to replace ones killed in combat. Can enough clones be grown to fill all the requirements? Can supplementary troops be enlisted from the general populace?
quote: I prefer Zahn's notion that after the Clone Wars, cloning tech was outlawed by the Empire -after all, a rebel force might easily clone up an effective army in secret in oh, say...ten years. [
Plus the fact that Luke receives a mechanical hand at the end of Empire. If cloning technology is abundant and legal, then why not clone a new hand instead of using a bionic implant?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Maybe they don't have the medical knowledge to graft a new hand on?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Hard to believe. I think we can do that now.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Boy, discussions about aspects of Star Wars that Lucas obviously put great deals of thought into sure are fun.
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
On my way to the Historic Senator Theater in Baltimore this afternoon, to buy my tickets to "Revenge of the Sith", I came up with the perfect way to prove that the Empire relies exclusively on non-cloned troops ...
... and then I forgot it.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Robot hands are sexier.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Omega: Hard to believe. I think we can do that now.
We can take a stump that has been cauterised and left to heal over for at least a day (and probably far longer), and then take a hand from a presumably dead doner and stick it on? That's fairly impressive.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
We can...it just wont stay on. (slight problem- we're working on it!)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I've found duct tape works well. But the smell becomes kind of distracting after a short time. Omega's implication also seems to be that Anakin's and Luke's manicures take place in the future, when of course we all know they took place a long time ago...
Posted by Mighty Blogger Snay (Member # 411) on :
Omega's implication is that although their technology is so far and away beyond ours, there are still things that we can do that they can't ... or that it seems they can't.
The Rebels have limited resources, even assuming that it's possible to attach a living, cloned hand to a cauterized and partially healed arm, there's no way to know that if Luke had gone with Vader, and been treated at an Imperial medical facility, that he wouldn't have had an organic hand reattached. Of course, if they're cloning stuff, they could just clone a whole new arm, and saw his off. It would get around the cauterized stump issue.
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
Perhaps their mechanical limbs are good enough that they see little need to go to the effort of cloning a limb and going through the arduous task of attaching nerves, muscles, and blood vessels. We saw that, despite having been attached in a Rebel sickbay, Luke's hand looked real, had the full range of motion, and seemed to have the same sensations as a real hand.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think it's more a matter of having a cloned limb available immeadeately, rather than an inablity to perform a sucessful operation.
It's possible they cant clone just a part (particularly something very complex like a hand).
Clones take time to reach a maturity where the limb would match the stump.
Mabye that's whay Jango agreed to have himself duped- lots of spare parts in case he got shot up (though beheading is an insurmountable barrier to replacment, I guess....but that's what Boba was for).
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Besides, wouldn't the bionics be better for a Bounty Hunter?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
*ahem* Freelance peacekeeping agent, yes?
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
More like "Free Lance, Piece-keeping, firing, reloading and firing again Agent".
Posted by Nim' (Member # 205) on :
quote:Besides, wouldn't the bionics be better for a Bounty Hunter?
Or General 30% Iron Chef? Can you even imagine how spunky he'd be in the kitchen with four Ginsu knifes instead of sabers?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mighty Blogger Snay: The Rebels have limited resources, even assuming that it's possible to attach a living, cloned hand to a cauterized and partially healed arm, there's no way to know that if Luke had gone with Vader, and been treated at an Imperial medical facility, that he wouldn't have had an organic hand reattached.
Doesn't explain Annakin's hand though, as presumably he didn't have the problem of limited resources. So it must have been a technological thing, and going from Scary Evil Hand to Luke's Nice & Fluffy Hand in 30-odd years is pretty impressive.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye Anakin wanted the bling of a gold hand.
Or Amidalia requested some vibrating function.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Maybe the robotic hand had a special "Bachelor's Attachment".
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
If so, you'd think Anakin would be a bit more mellow...
Mabye Obi-Wan has not had the ol' "Birds, bees and the Force" conversation with Anakin. Or mabye he's waiting untill the lava planet to tell Annie to go fuck himself.
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