. . . an exhaustive analysis of the policies dictating what is real in the Star Wars universe.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Hey Guys, Been a while. In my opinion, Star Wars has grown to something that is beyond the reach of G.L. Sure he may have made the movies and began the whole thing. But it's the writers of the "EU" as this wacko put it, that really puts the whole thing into perspective. At least for me. Lucas is a dumbass for not following the books. They're much better than anything he could have come up with. Some of the books would have made far better movies than TPM, AOTC, and ROTS. I would have loved to see the Thrawn Trilogy or the X-Wing series made into movies. To be honest the prequel movies didn't feel Star Wars to me at all. No matter what Lucas says with all his canon bullshit, I'll always beleive that Bevel Lemilisk created the Death Star at the Maw, and not some little buggy things with wings. The Eu took star wars to places Lucas couldn't even begin to dream up. Star Wars is no longer his, It is the property of all who love it. To lucas it's just his paycheque.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't know, sure it's a long way away, but beyond the reach of Green Lantern?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, if you painted everything yellow... yes, I know that no longer applies, but I'm talking classic Hal Jordan version here.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I'm sorry, but I seem to have misread the message right after mine. Somewhere in between the idea that we should ignore Lucas and the claims that he's a dumbass full of bullshit, I thought I saw the suggestion that I'm a "wacko".
Surely I was mistaken . . . why would objective analysis of anything which someone else just wants to enjoy and subjectively consider real constitute wacky behavior?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That was just one person's opinion- I thinnk most of the books are really bad, myself.
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
quote:Well, if you painted everything yellow...
Or made it out of wood. Alan Scott, Golden Age G.L.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah, the wodd disadvantage is not much of a deterrant if you're fighting in space though.
I've got my own bueatiful golden age GL ring on display next to my Mart Nodell artork in my art room. Gotta love it.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Well, if you painted everything yellow... yes, I know that no longer applies, but I'm talking classic Hal Jordan version here.
Why do I picture Jason having a cardboard cutout of the GL standing right next to his Daisy Fuentes cutout?
though....I imagine hers has a hard time remaining in the standing position.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Noooo....cardboard would be...rough.
While I did not like Kyle as GL much, no DC character has more unfulfilled potential that GL for a good sci-fi story.
Byrne and Niven did a nice one a few years back called Ganthet's Tale (though you have to look past Byrne's antiseptic artwork to aprecieate it fully).
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
My favorite comic was Marvel's ROM - Spaceknight. I had the whole series from start to finish...until I needed food and gas. It was a different type of comic and character. Shame it never caught on.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I had that run- it was the only book I could afford back issues of back then (jr high).
Good concept, evil hateable bad guys and good guest stars, but between them letting Steve Ditko inflict his artwork on the last ten issues of the run, and Rom's toaster-shaped head, it was doomed to the "comics for a quarter" box.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Hmm...I took a look at Rom at wikipedia and I found him to look like a generic robot guy. In fact I think he was based on a robot toy. He sort of reminds me of this red robot toy that I had that had the unique characteristic of needing to be oiled ever once in a while and smelled like burt rubber when he was activated. So I would have to ask a neighbor to oil the robot's joints with his old school oil spout to keep him runing. Boy those were simpler times...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Rom was indeed based on a (crappy) toy. The series took off even after the toy immeadeately flopped.
That was back in the days when Marvel whored for any toy company willing to pay for a matching comic (though the comics occasionally turned out better than the toys/cartoons that inspired them).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Speaking of SW novels. I saw at the book store the otherday a cover of a novel that had Leia holding a light sabre. So does she become a fully-fledged Jedi in the future?
Do other Jedi show up across the galaxy?
Andrew
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
uh...sorry gaurdian, i didn't realize that it was ur website till i actually looked at ur little url at the bottom of the post. i guess i should have worded it better. what i should have said was that this canon idea is wacko, not u. But i do think that lucas made a big mistake making the prequels and not a sequel, i didn't even go to phantom or clones on opening night cuz they looked so stupid, i didn't even pay for my own ticket when i did go. Make no mistake, I love star wars. When the original came out, some people thought it was a childrens movie, but lucas was trying to be serious, now with the prequels i get the distinct impression that it was a childrens movie and he WAS trying to make it that way. I'm sorry, but they just looked fake, which is saying alot since Star Wars is a fantasy...
I remember hearing once that George Lucas personally reads and aproves every Star Wars novel before it was released, has anyone else heard anything along those lines? Cuz I find it hard to believe he hasn't read any of the "Expanded Universe" or whatever. So long as it has the trademark STAR WARS in big capital letters on it, it's Star Wars to me. regardless of whether or not George Lucas has gotten his greedy little paws into it.
And if I understand this whole canon concept goes like this: anything that was not in the movie doesn't actually exist in Star Wars? So there's no Victory Star Destroyers...BTW i has hoping to see one of those in the prequels...Tuff sh*t eh.. no E-Wing either? no World Devastator, Eclipse class Super Star Destroyers, no Z-95 Headhunter? no Corperate Sector? han and Leia don't get married and have 3 kids. That's where the bullshit lies... oh, if anyone here doesn't know what i'm talking about, just say so, cuz I know my Star Wars. specially the starships...
And yes Leia does eventually get her own lightsaber as a gift from Luke, and she uses it too. She even beat luke in a duel in the book "Ambush at Corellia"
As for being a Jedi Knight, I don't think she ever recieved any formal training at Lukes Praxeum. (Jedi Academy on Yavin 4 for those who havn't read "Dark Force Rising") Luke did teach her for a while, but being the head of a galactic republic kinda cuts into your free time...
I wonder if old Georgie ever played any of the games Lucasarts put out. heh, maybe one day I'll see him on a Battlefront server and blow his brains out with my sniper rifle...
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I recently bought the star wars chronology book (the new one)and it does a pretty good job of tying canon into eu. Not everything from eu makes it in (like that Jawa's show and X-mas special crap) but it does create a nice flowing timeline of the star wars universe as well as some kick ass pictures some of which take up TWO whole pages! It does pull a bit of a 1984 on us in that some events are retold in a way to include EP I, II, III canon(like Bevel Lemilisk now working with the Geonosians to make the Death Star, rather than designing the thing himself.) I still think it's a good buy though.
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
I read an interview with Lucas where he said he has absolutely nothing to do with the EU books and materials. I don't have a link, however.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I would believe that he is focused on his movie making, although the 7-9 eps that I heard about decades ago are quashed, that he wouldn't care what the EU as to offer, other than the $.....
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I presume that Lucas has some lackey--who makes more money than I do as an engineer--who actually reads drafts of Star Wars books to make sure they don't seriously contradict existing movies or novels.
I have noticed, however, that the Star Trek franchise specifically states that the novels are not canon, but the relatively small cabal of Trek novelists seems to make a serious effort to maintain continuity. In some cases there's better continuity between the different book series than there is between the canonical TV series.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Like I said, as long as it's got the Star Wars logo, it's Star Wars to me. Even some of the Lucasarts games coincide with the books. Star Wars Rebellion (supremacy in the UK) has characters from the books like Daala, Thrawn, and General Drayson. to name a few. Does anyone here have Rebellion and still play it?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm pretty sure no one ever played it.
Take that, Lucasarts!
(I sure hope Empire at War is good.)
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
I played Rebellion for all of five minutes, and am therefore qualified to say it was bad.
Also, I sure hope Empire at War is good enough to hold me over until Supreme Commander is loosed upon the world.
(Take that, ex-Westwooders!)
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
I've got your Star Wars cannon right here: Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Rebellion wasn't bad! Maybe it was just too complicated for you. I love that game, it rocks. It's up there with TIE fighter on my list of favorites.
