You've probably seen it elsewhere by now, but for those who haven't:
Here is a fascinating bit of conjecture regarding Star Wars based upon just the films. I don't think some of it is plausible, but it's neat all the same.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I like that. Funny too cause everyone always focuses on Luke/Leia/Han not Yoda/Chewbacca/R2D2.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I did wonder if there was a reason why Ben made a b-line for Chewie at the cantina, I mean it does look like they know each other.
I agree though, most of that is implausible. However cute and appealing R2 is, he's still just a droid, not a rebel spy and from the official back story, Han rescued Chewie from imperial enslavement (hence his reaction to the binders) while he was an Imperial officer (hence his knowledge of standard Imperial Procedures.) Though I think at one point Han was going to have been raised by Wookies; supposedly a young had was at one point going to take part in the battle of Kashyyyk seen in RotS. Not that those two stories are mutually exclusive.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I don't like the whole "option C" since it seems uncharacteristic of Jedi to kill some one just because they think that the person will turn out evil. Also, the author forgets about Mon Mothma, who as far as I can tell has always been considered the founder and leader of the Rebellion. She appears in Return of the Jedi and in deleted scenes from Revenge of the Sith in which she discusses with other senators a plan for dealing with Palpy's growing power.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
That is fucking AWESOME!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"However cute and appealing R2 is, he's still just a droid, not a rebel spy..."
I dunno. I always got the impression that R2 was supposed to be at least as smart as all the humans.
"...from the official back story, Han rescued Chewie from imperial enslavement (hence his reaction to the binders) while he was an Imperial officer (hence his knowledge of standard Imperial Procedures.)"
I don't know about any "official backstory", but this guy's essay seems to have a pretty firm basis in on-screen evidence.
"I don't like the whole 'option C' since it seems uncharacteristic of Jedi to kill some one just because they think that the person will turn out evil."
That's certainly true prior to RotS. However, it seems like an arguement could be made that even Jedis might take some pretty extreme measures if they are worried about the rise of a second Vader-like figure. Considering that the rise of the first Vader resulted in the complete annihilation of all but two Jedi.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
There was a backstory in the EU books "The Han Solo Trilogy" Where Han saved Chewie from an Imperial slaver who was whipping him to death. It's been a while since I've read the books, so I'm a little fuzzy on the details.
And Wikipedia has this interesting snippet:
quote:A scheduled rendezvous with a slaving vessel revealed that an adult Wookiee had overwhelmed the crew and released the Wookiee children that were to be sold. Leading a TIE fighter squadron, Han boarded the damaged ship and found a barely conscious Wookiee, Chewbacca, in the pilots seat. Commander Nyklas ordered the young lieutenant to skin the Wookiee; Han refused to do so. He later lost his lieutenants commission and was dishonorably discharged. In this way did Chewbacca swear a life-debt to his rescuer, and from then on the two were inseparable.
I've never heard anything remotely similar to that, so I can't vouch for it's accuracy.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
I can dig for sources once I have everything unpacked, but that's an amalgam of snippets from the character description that was part of the pre-production for A New Hope, embellished and added to by Brian Daly's Han Solo adventures, West End Games' RPG books, Ann Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy, and others.
--Jonah
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
How can a TIE fighter board anything? They cant even land! An ISD has racks that hold/launch the silly things...
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Well, A TIE Fighter can land using the bottom of it's wing panels as landing skids. Maybe the freighter had a small hangar bay? Or possibly a docking port?
Like I said I've never heard of that particular theory, I don't even know what source the article got it's information from.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
I really doubt a solar/whatever type fin like on the TIE would be sturdy enough to use for landing, despite the toys and video game images.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Using that logic, wouldn't a Huey Cobra's landing skids be too flimsy to land on? TIE's may look flimsy in the movies, but I'm they're much sturdier than they look.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Considering how quickly we've seen them fly apart in various circumstances, I'm not sure I'd agree. Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
The boarding is conducted by the pilot leaving the fighter, and entering the other ship's airlock. There aren't any life-support systems in a TIE Fighter -- the pilots' flight-suits are self-contained.
--Jonah
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Interesting. But what stops them from floating away into space when they leave the TIE? For that matter, how do they stop the fighter itself from floating away after the pilot leaves the craft? I don't think TIE Fighters were really designed to to be degressed in space. I'm pretty sure that article's wrong. We know TIE's are capable of atmospheric flight, so wouldn't it make sense for them to be able to land in one also? Without the need for specialized docking gear?
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Thruster packs like what the spacetroopers in A New Hope wore, plus magnetic grapples to anchor the fighter. It's really not that hard, you know.
Besides, that's just one version of events. Another has it that Lieutenant Solo stopped his superior officer from abusing his wookiee slave, and that cost him his commission and earned him the life-debt, etc. *shrug* The basics are the same, the details don't really matter.
--Jonah
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
or he was in one of these.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Er...that's officially recognised as a Tie-Bomber, pallie. not that the bombs employed in ESB should have fallen onto the asteroid anyway, space having no gravity and all, but I digress.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
How do you know they fell? All the bomber would have to do is give them a shove in the right direction, and they'd keep going until they hit something.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
TIE bomber has the cockpit side and the launcher side. The boarding craft has two cockpits, basically.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Er...that's officially recognised as a Tie-Bomber, pallie. not that the bombs employed in ESB should have fallen onto the asteroid anyway, space having no gravity and all, but I digress.
If you read the article, you'll see it was designed as the boarding craft for ANH, but never built (see the official article here). So the TIE Bomber was adapted from this design, you even see it being used as a shuttle in ESB. I think the only outward difference is the boarding craft & shttle have no bomb chute and the Bomber & Shuttle lack the laser cutters of the Boarding Craft.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Maybe they just use the Bomber's launcher as a passenger exit with attitude...
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Getting back to the original topic, I just finished watching ANH when I noticed that what the guy says
quote:R2 and 3PO bail out in an escape pod, landing in vaguely the right area of Tattoine, where R2's first priority is transport. He arranges to be captured by a group of Jawas and, once on board their transport, he makes a deal with them (possibly using emergency funds stored about his person) to take him where he wants to go. The Jawas refuse to go directly to Kenobi for fear of marauding Sandpeople but they agree to R2's second request : transport to the Skywalker farm. They even get to keep the purchase price if they can sell R2 and 3PO there. The Jawas shake on it and go through with the plan.
Seeing 3PO fail to recognise the farm where he worked for 10 years gives r2 a moment's amusement but, as soon as possible, he gets away and heads for Kenobi. Luke and 3PO follow, which may or may not have been part of the plan.
I don't deny that R2 might be actively working for the Rebellion. But when R2 and 3PO landed on Tatooine and went thier seperate ways, 3PO was the first to get picked up by the Jawas. R2 was picked up sometime in the evening. My guess is that 3PO, not having much experience with Jawas, told them that R2 was out there. The pit stop at the Skywalker homestead was probably more of a coincidence. R2 escaped at the first chance he got, implying his only goal was to reach Kenobi.
One thing I did notice that's completely off topic, but anyways, when I went to see the Extended Star Wars movies in the 90's, I swear I saw a Sentinel Landing Craft in the corner of the screen during the Stormtrooper landing scene. But when I watched the same movie on VHS it was missing. And it's still missing in the DVD version of the movie.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
No, it's there. Looks really dodgy too. I wonder why they didn't replace it like they did with certain other shots.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think it's more likely that Jar-Jar is a Sith than R2.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Yes because
quote:Hey yo, Daddy, Captain Tarpals. Mesa back.
is such a scary and evil Sith catchphrase...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's all an act- everything he did was at palpy's command- just look how hard he works in Episode II to undermine everything the old Republic stood for. I secretely think it was his brain inside General Grievous' mechanical shell. Only an evil genius with amazing hand-eye coordinatin (like Jerry Lewis) could effect so many obviously intentional pratfalls without incurring serious bodily injury- which would serve him later with the lightsabres.
Palpaltine had him cloned so as not to raise suspicion (explaining his appearance at Padme's funeral).
There- I've made up something easily more believable than the goofy R2 theory, while still being total bullshit.
Besides, do Sith really have catchphrases?
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Hmm, good question. I suppose anything similar to "My plans are going according to plan" or something. Maybe "Do not underestimate the power of the Force" while choking some poor schlub. Hmm, if Vader can choke you with a thought or crush your heart on a whim, I wonder what else the Force could be used for? Scratching that spot on your back that you can't quite reach, or scratch yourself in public and no one would know.
Which brings up another interesting question, does Vader still have his little saber? He must, otherwise he'd sound like an asthmatic Princess Leia.
Yeah, and Jar Jar being under the control of the Emperor the whole time doesn't fly with me. I think Jar Jar is just too stupid to be affected by the Emperor. Sure he can be knocked out by Qui-Gon, but he probably does that to all the woodland creatures just for shits and giggles.
And Obi-wan and Yoda totally used Luke as a pawn. Just like Anakin was Palpatines, those crafty Jedi.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I thin Palpy uses the Force to masterbate- it explains why he's so old and withered- and why he needs to sit in that chair all damned day. He's too drained to move- all that larger than live holographic porn (like he has fuck else to do up there in that bizarro throne room).
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Palpatine's old and withered because he's too lazy to make his hand into a fist and jerk it in an up and down motion.
Besides, he's the freakin emperor. He could have any woman in the galaxy. Twi-lek strippers and Rodian hookers. I knew those mouth/sucker/tube things were good for something.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I dont think so- imagine the rumors from anyone brave enough to see him naked? He's gotta maintain his baddass evil image and playthings snickering over his withered old cane is counter-productive.
...though if he killed them afterwards...
I could see some kinky chicks getting into the whole Sith boyfriend thing- "Choke me baby!"
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Funny I recall an EU story where he has a mistress and son.
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