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Jay the Obscure
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Garnered from the right-wing dust heep that is the...well heck, is most of the net. One must keep track of what the nuts of the world, other than our own personal board reactionaries, are doing.

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Amendment Would Define Marriage as Male-Female
Wednesday, July 11, 2001

WASHINGTON - A broad coalition of religious groups plans to introduce a constitutional amendment declaring marriage as a union solely between a man and a woman.

"The proposal will be officially introduced on Thursday," Matthew Daniels, executive director of the Alliance for Marriage, told United Press International on Sunday.

He described his organization as a "nonpartisan, multicultural marriage coalition, whose board of advisers includes the Rev. Walter Fountroy, former D.C. delegate who organized the March on Washington for Martin Luther King Jr." Daniels said the alliance represented "tens of million of American citizens, of every color and creed."

According to an AfM announcement, the amendment's draft to be introduced in Congress will read: "Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this constitution (the Constitution of the United States) or the constitution of any state, not state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups."

According to Daniels, the co-authors of this text were professors Mary Ann Glendon of the Harvard Law School, Robert George of Princeton University, and others.

Glendon and George also belong to the alliance's board, as do Bishop George McKinney of the Church of God in Christ, a mostly black denomination, Patricia DeVeaux of the African Methodist Episcopal Church, and Bishop Nathaniel Linsey of the Christian Methodist Episcopal Church.

Other board members are Jesse Miranda of the chiefly Hispanic Allianza Ministerial Evangelica Nacional, Sayyid Sayeed of the Islamic Society of North America, Nathan Diament of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, William Teng of the Chinese Community Church of Washington, the Rev. Wong Sang Lee of the Korean Central Presbyterian Church, Vernon Shannon of the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church, and David Anderson of the American Anglican Council.

The AfM announcement explained that "the institution of marriage (which is) so central to the well-being of both children and our society ... is under attack from powerful forces.

"Although these forces lack popular support sufficient to accomplish their goal of redefining marriage, they enjoy widespread sympathy in elite sectors of American culture - particularly in the legal profession, universities, and other opinion leaders. At the core of the social revolution that is underway in the American courts is the redefinition of marriage to serve ends espoused by homosexual activist organizations ...

"Tragically, this process is by now so far advanced that only a federal constitutional amendment protecting marriage can decisively end the abuse of the judicial process as a vehicle for undermining both marriage and democracy in America."

David Smith, communications director for Human Rights Campaign -- a 400,000 member-strong homosexual organization, called the proposed amendment "yet another mean-spirited attempt to prevent gay families from receiving the same protection as non-gays do through their ability to marry."

"It seems like an enormous undertaking to keep gay people from receiving the same protections," said Smith. "These groups say they want to protect the family, but in doing so, are attacking gay families."

The AfM statement points out that when the U.S. Constitution was adopted, "marriage was taken for granted as a union of a man and a woman ... Consequently, the word 'marriage,' or ... the word, 'family' does not appear in the Constitution.

"The Common Law which we inherited from England was clear about marriage as a union of man and woman: 'Marriage ... includes the reciprocal duties of husband and wife.'"

More than 30 states have passed laws defining marriage as a union between a man and woman. In 1996 the federal government passed the Defense of Marriage Act, which defines marriage "for federal purposes as a legal union between one man and one woman."

Smith said the amendment "creates a climate in which gay people continue to be harassed and promote intolerance."

Copyright 2001 by United Press International.

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Lee
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The AfM announcement explained that "the institution of marriage (which is) so central to the well-being of both children and our society ... is under attack from powerful forces.

So how is society threatened by there being same-sex marriages? Will kids, seeing that there are two blokes living next door, lose respect for their own parents or something, and start talking back, dressing strangely and listening to rock music? This is bigotry, pure and simple.

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Malnurtured Snay
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Why people want to prevent two people in love from getting married is beyond me.

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First of Two
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This is idiotic, and as Dictator, I would have those responsible deported to Iran. Except the Islamic guy, I'd deport him to Israel.

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Lee
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Nah, send him to Iran, at the Israelis' current rate of one-house-at-a-time expansion they'll be most of the way to China then. . . 8)

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uhhhh hmmmm. ok. Personally, I don't think it's a good idea to let religous groups push laws through congress. Such situations never end well.

All in all, here are my 2 pieces of advice to those who are trying o push this amendment through congress.

(1) Get a *bleep* life.
(2) Mind your own damn business.

Would anyone like to add to that?


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Siegfried
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I'll add to that!

FUR IS MURDER! FUR IS MURDER!

::noticed everyone looking at him weird::

Sorry, what are we protesting about here?


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*See thread on book burning for reply*

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Me- Hi Jen! What's up!
Jen- You again??!?! Listen kid, I'm not interested in you. Stop bothering me, I'm a lot older than you and I have a boyfriend. How did you find my ICQ number anyways?
Me- Oh, so just cuz you're a movie star now, and you're new album made millions, you think you're too good for me?
Jen- Yes!!! Get it thorough your head! I am a person, I am not Jennifer Lopez the hottest woman on earth that everyone wants to sleep with, I'm a person, leave me alone!!!
Me- Fine! Be that way!
Me- Jen.... Where'd you go.... I love you... please come back.... please....

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The_Tom
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Well, defining "marriage" as between a man and a woman is perfectly fine. The word has its basis in usage as a religio-cultural union, generally for the purpose of producing offspring, and 99% of all cultures only practised such unions on a heterosexual basis.

BUT...

Why what is essentially a religious practice need be recognized civilly is another matter altogether. Let marriage be a strictly heterosexual term. Fine. But as far as legal and governmental rights are concerned, ditch this bull about a religious ceremony having relevance. Common-law partnership, to which there is absolutely no ground to stand on to keep homosexuals out of, should be all that the laws refer to. Civil dependency should have nothing to do with church doctrine and everything to do with two people who love one another. A man and woman living together. A man and a man living together. An elderly brother and sister living together. Traditional marriage should merely considered another form of said civil dependence and be afforded no special rights.

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Malnurtured Snay
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You know, I think Crobato needs to pull some stuff out of his own ass before he talks about what other people are getting up theirs.

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I'm with the Tom.

Keep the word "marriage" for hetrosexual people all you want.

But do give gay couple the same right as a hetrosexual married coupled.

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Ritten
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Does anyone remember when General Electric, I think, was going to provide medical coverage for same sex partners as the employees? I think it got out that they were going to, public outrage followed, and I haven't heard a thing afterwards.

The big question I had was whether or not the same sex couples had to have a legally binding contract, as is required for opposite sex couples, for one to cover the other on their insurance.

If not, then this opened a big ass can of worms, in the John can get Ron on his insurance, not having a contract, but Jim couldn't get Sarah covered on the same plan when they were living in the same manner.

GE probably pulled the plan when they realized that opposite sex couples that weren't married were waiting for the chance to sue for the same benefit.

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*aligns himself with The_Tom and BE*

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Y'know, my New Church of Hugo the Eternal Wombat [Reformed] says that homosexual marriage is fine, when consecrated by Hugo.

Therefore, this attempt at banning same-sex 'marriage' is an affront to my Church's freedom of worship, and is thusly unconstitutional. I plan to sue for 100 billion.

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Exactly the reason for a seperation of the two systems of marriage. You want to be religiously married? Fine, it's your religion, but don't expect to be recognized by the government under current laws. Personally, I'm all for abolishing any legal recognition at all, but that's just me, and I'm not all that set on that idea.

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