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Jay the Obscure
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The ever seditious New York Times reports this rather interesting story.

I�ll reprint the whole story since it�s not too long and seeing that one can�t read the stories from the New York Times after a certain period of time has elapsed without paying for it....reprinting it seems to be the way to go.

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C.I.A. Closes Unit Focused on Capture of bin Laden

WASHINGTON, July 3 � The Central Intelligence Agency has closed a unit that for a decade had the mission of hunting Osama bin Laden and his top lieutenants, intelligence officials confirmed Monday.

The unit, known as Alec Station, was disbanded late last year and its analysts reassigned within the C.I.A. Counterterrorist Center, the officials said.

The decision is a milestone for the agency, which formed the unit before Osama bin Laden became a household name and bolstered its ranks after the Sept. 11 attacks, when President Bush pledged to bring Mr. bin Laden to justice "dead or alive."

The realignment reflects a view that Al Qaeda is no longer as hierarchical as it once was, intelligence officials said, and a growing concern about Qaeda-inspired groups that have begun carrying out attacks independent of Mr. bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Agency officials said that tracking Mr. bin Laden and his deputies remained a high priority, and that the decision to disband the unit was not a sign that the effort had slackened. Instead, the officials said, it reflects a belief that the agency can better deal with high-level threats by focusing on regional trends rather than on specific organizations or individuals.

"The efforts to find Osama bin Laden are as strong as ever," said Jennifer Millerwise Dyck, a C.I.A. spokeswoman. "This is an agile agency, and the decision was made to ensure greater reach and focus."

The decision to close the unit was first reported Monday by National Public Radio.

Michael Scheuer, a former senior C.I.A. official who was the first head of the unit, said the move reflected a view within the agency that Mr. bin Laden was no longer the threat he once was.

Mr. Scheuer said that view was mistaken.

"This will clearly denigrate our operations against Al Qaeda," he said. "These days at the agency, bin Laden and Al Qaeda appear to be treated merely as first among equals."

In recent years, the war in Iraq has stretched the resources of the intelligence agencies and the Pentagon, generating new priorities for American officials. For instance, much of the military's counterterrorism units, like the Army's Delta Force, had been redirected from the hunt for Mr. bin Laden to the search for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed last month in Iraq.

An intelligence official who was granted anonymity to discuss classified information said the closing of the bin Laden unit reflected a greater grasp of the organization. "Our understanding of Al Qaeda has greatly evolved from where it was in the late 1990's," the official said, but added, "There are still people who wake up every day with the job of trying to find bin Laden."

Established in 1996, when Mr. bin Laden's calls for global jihad were a source of increasing concern for officials in Washington, Alec Station operated in a similar fashion to that of other agency stations around the globe.

The two dozen staff members who worked at the station, which was named after Mr. Scheuer's son and was housed in leased offices near agency headquarters in northern Virginia, issued regular cables to the agency about Mr. bin Laden's growing abilities and his desire to strike American targets throughout the world.

In his book "Ghost Wars," which chronicles the agency's efforts to hunt Mr. bin Laden in the years before the Sept. 11 attacks, Steve Coll wrote that some inside the agency likened Alec Station to a cult that became obsessed with Al Qaeda.

"The bin Laden unit's analysts were so intense about their work that they made some of their C.I.A. colleagues uncomfortable," Mr. Coll wrote. Members of Alec Station "called themselves 'the Manson Family' because they had acquired a reputation for crazed alarmism about the rising Al Qaeda threat."

Intelligence officials said Alec Station was disbanded after Robert Grenier, who until February was in charge of the Counterterrorist Center, decided the agency needed to reorganize to better address constant changes in terrorist organizations.

Some of you may recall this exchange from 17 September 2001:

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Q Do you want bin Laden dead?

THE PRESIDENT: I want justice. There's an old poster out west, as I recall, that said, "Wanted: Dead or Alive."

Q Do you see this being long-term? You were saying it's long-term, do you see an end, at all?

THE PRESIDENT: I think that this is a long-term battle, war. There will be battles. But this is long-term. After all, our mission is not just Osama bin Laden, the al Qaeda organization. Our mission is to battle terrorism and to join with freedom loving people.

It would seem that things have changed a bit.

[ July 06, 2006, 12:20 PM: Message edited by: Jay the Obscure ]

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What, 5 years isn't long-term?

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Getting Bin Laden would've just been a symbolic victory anyway. I think it'd be great to get him, sure, but I think it's pretty much irrelevent if he dies in a US jail cell or some cave in some bumfuck province of Afghanistan.

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Sol System
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Well, that's the thing. This is a nice piece of irony, but it's also the case that a "great man" theory of terrorist networks has proven not particularly useful.
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Shik, compared to the length of time Citizen Bush has been out fearful leader, nope. Although, compared to the time a high rate roaming call can take, possibly.

Getting Binny Boy would stop very little, it would show the terrorists that we will spend billions of dollars and thousands of lives hunting them down.

If Herr Bush truly wanted justice he wouldn't have run for a second term, but, since he's got it, he will abdicate after the 08 elections. If the 08 elections are allowed to happen anyway. Didn't Hitler take over Germany using Jewish people as the threat? What will Commrade Bush do since he's got a real enemy?

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Bin Laden isn't in Afghanistan or Pakistan, in fact he is in the USA. Those desert landscapes dressed up with a tent or two... Nevada.
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It's pretty sad actually- if Bin Laden remains free, it will continue to show potential terrorists that the US cant even capture/kill the bastard responsible for 9/11, and if they cant kill a big name like him, what chance do they have of killing a little fish like them...

If nothing else, catching/killing Bin Laden would be a huge morale blow to Al Queada.
...and to all those assholes that danced in the streets on 9/11.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
...and to all those assholes that danced in the streets on 9/11.

The cast of Fame?

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. . . or the whole population of Cleveland, Ohio, according to the mid-period opening sequence of The Drew Carey Show. . .

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Jason Abbadon
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Well, I'm not saying either of those dont deserve a solid ass-beating.

Nope, not saying that at all.

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Good, or you'd have been in line also.

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Jay the Obscure
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quote:
Originally posted by Sol System:
Well, that's the thing. This is a nice piece of irony, but it's also the case that a "great man" theory of terrorist networks has proven not particularly useful.

As Snay mentions there is not only be a huge symbolic victory with catching Bin Laden but I thought that at least part of our mission is bringing those responsible for 9/11 to justice.

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Jason Abbadon
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Silly: we already got Saddam. [Wink]
...and after all, most (polled) morons buy that there was a connection, so Bush is TEH BEST PRESIDENT EVAR!
At least in the narrow minds of those Republicans that will forever want to "hold the course".

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Yet the claim in the story, which I'm in no position to dispute, is that the "hunt" goes on while a clearly nonfunctioning (The "Get Osama Group" having failed to actually get Osama.) intelligence working group has been disbanded in favor of, again, so it is claimed, an approach that might actually accomplish something.
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Jay the Obscure
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The more resources you have looking at the information the better.

I would have hoped that the CIA and the United States government would have had enough resources to handle having more than one group looking at capturing Bin Laden.

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