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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :

.. the first school shooting in the Netherlands is now a fact. A case of Turkish vendetta. Great.. just what we need.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

Sorry to hear about that. There was a link to an article about it at Trek Today.

http://www.cnn.com/1999/WORLD/europe/12/07/dutch.shooting.04/

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[This message has been edited by Kosh (edited December 08, 1999).]

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Don't the Netherlands have gun control?

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I'd guess so, as this is the first school shooting they've ever had.

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Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :

Wonderful. Just effing WONDERFUL.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

*Points at the USA*
This is all your fault!!

Ahem..

But seriously:
Where does it end??

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

If it ends, and I don't think it ever will because it's always the same goddamn excuses afterwards, it will end after somebody who is very important loses a child. Because it's not a problem until somebody who really matters dies, is it? Goddamn it, this is bloody sh*t. Bloody f*cking shi*t.

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

They do have very strict laws, the article said they didn't know how he got the gun. It will be interesting to see where it came from

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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :

The problem is becoming out of hand. The one thing people tend to forget is that other people die everyday from guns. It just takes a large scale event to bring it to the public eye. The only way to really stop this is to stop kids from cracking and taking out their aggressions with a gun.

"Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have them."
"Guns don't kill people, People kill people."

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

This is a perfect example of why gun control doesn't work. The Netherlands has some of the toughest gun control laws in the world, and even THAT doesn't help. There's a deeper problem here, and it's that we don't teach our kids morals. And there ARE absolute morals, like "Thou shall not kill". Children should be taught that some things are wrong, with no ifs, ands, or buts.

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Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :

Sorry to ruin your fun, but this kind of topic definitely belongs to the Flameboard.

Omega: Well, the percentage of gun-related deaths and injuries in the Netherlands is far less than at the United States (which is what? every day?). Remove gun control laws and we may as well wear bulls eyes with bright lettering saying "HIT US HERE!!!!"

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Actually, with gun control laws, you're wearing a sign that says, "shoot me, because there's no chance I have a gun myself." At least by your logic.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

I agree with Frank.

I also agree with Tahna Los. This belongs on the Flameboard. Sol, if you would do the honors?

--Baloo

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Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :

Thats rather defeatist....with proper gun control you wouldn't have guns in the first place.

Besides, if friendly fire is a problem in even highly trained military forces, imagine how bad it would be if everybody had a gun and decided to hand out their own justice.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :

The word 'control' in gun control is a total euphomism!! .. If someone wants a gun bad enough, no matter how bad the laws are, no matter how strict the gun laws are, they'll get one.

There was just another shooting in the states.. a 12? or 13 yr old? kid shoots another kid .. Like, what is with that??!!!

Up here in Canada, the native indian kids are killing themselves (hanging) .. I simply don't get it..
Is everyone on a death kick!!??

Ahhh... I get so upset when I hear this kinda thing, cuz I simply don't comprehend the wanting to take one's or another's life!! Sensless CRAP

This should be in flameboard shouldn't it!! hehehe
Good topic tho' !! This is a serious problem.. not only in the States or Canada.. but world wide.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

The problem isn't people shooting one another, so much as it is people wanting to kill one another. Making it more difficult does not address the problem.

If you're sick and have a fever, the doctor may only prescribe aspirin. If the fever continues to climb, and the doctor just continues to prescribe more aspirin, you should probably seek another opinion, since aspirin doesn't seem to be doing the job.

Passing gun control laws in the wake of such tragedies allows people to feel like they have done something about the problem. They want to do something fast and forget about it. Hopefully it will go away while they have their eyes closed. Unfortunately, that approach is rather like the doctor who continues to prescribe more and more aspirin for a rising fever. Discover the nature of the disease first, then determine and execute a course of treatment.

--Baloo

PS: Sol, we're waiting... .

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I don't get why people are saying taht this proves that gun control doesn't work. this is the first shooting in a Dutch school EVER. That, for people not paying attention, was EVER. One shooting.

And the situation's pretty much the same in the UK, which also has strict gun control laws.

How often does it happen in the US? Eh?

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Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :

Moving to Flameboard

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