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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Being an American-Swede, I'm kinda curious about something.

My great-grandfather came over a little over one hundred years ago from Sweden. Our last name is "Benson", mostly, I'm just wondering if that's a popular name over there ... ? (I guess). I dunno.

And are there a lot of tall blondes there abouts?

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Possibly. I don't know much about Swedish surnames, but I know a bit about Norwegian surnames. I have a Norwegian-Italian-American friend who prides herself on Norwegian heritage and Italian temper. God help me.

Anyway, assuming that the Scadenavian (sp) surnames share a similar structure, the original version of your last name may be Bensen. Now to explain. The Norwegians until recently did not use the surname to denote family lineages. Instead, it typically denoted who the person's father or mother was. The son, for instance, would have the first name Johan. Johan's father's first name is Hans. Johan would adopt his father's first name, add the suffix -sen to it, and use that as his surname: Johan Hansen or Johan, Son of Hans. The daughters did something similar, but I cannot recall if they used the mother's or the father's first name to start with. Regardless, the suffix -darter would be used in place of -sen ("daughter of").

From what my friend has told me, this trend of adopting lineage surnames is a fairly recent development in Norway. It started sometime in the 19th century there. The trend probably started when Norwegians first came to settle in North America in an effort to assimilate into the cultures (18th to early 19th centuries).

Of course, everything I've said can be shot out of a cannon if Swedish surname history and structure differs from the Norwegian tradition.

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ICQ Conversation From January 23, 2001.
 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Benson is not common. Sounds germanic, though. We have Bernsson, but it's not common.
The singular 's' is very english. My name, Peterson, is a bit unusual in that regard, as most swedes with that name spell with two t's and s', Petersson or Pettersson. Yay! I'm international commodity!!!

Others are Svensson, Jansson (like danish Janssen or Jensen) Larsson (You have that too), Jonsson, J�nsson. There are many variations. But -son is more of a stereotype swedish name. Actually our version of "average joe" is in fact "medel-svensson".

Other famous swedish names are anything with -quist, -blom, blad (leaf), -berg, lind(-). We have many names based on flowers and trees (kvist means twig/branch).
Well, there's a lot.
First names. The latin ones are fairly common; Peter, Markus, Joakim, Pontus, David etc. The hardcore swedish (ancient nordic) names are like, Erik, T(h)or, Jan, J�ns, Johan, Anders, Bj�rn, Sten, Bjarne (swedish variant on Bj�rn). There's a lot.

The word "Dot" is called "punkt" or "prick" in swedish. There's an old kneeslapper there, referring to our extra three letters ���. "No, I'm not Jonsson, I'm J�nsson, with two pricks!"

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I forgot my own name, Niklas, being a swedonized Nikolaus (germanic), meaning "Conquest".

We have tall blondes, although many dye their hair, like in the rest of the western world. And no, there aren't more bimbos here, the average na�vite is not higher among girls here, than anywere else.
Victoria Silvstedt has been in Playboy for a while, but she's inflatable as hell. No fun, too plastic. Plus, she IS a bimbo.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram



 


Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
*takes note*

Niklas Peterson, eh?

TO THE BAT-COMPUTER!! The punch cards will tell us where he is!

Wait, Boy Wonder. The turnips will be avenged, but not in the way "Nimrod" thinks.
Alfred! Get me the Ringmaster of the Gotham State Circus - I have an idea that he may have access to the one thing that our Mr. Peterson wants more than anything...


DA-DA-da-Da-DAAAA

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
*mimics painting by Edvard Munch*
 
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Siegfried: "Scandinavian".
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
So, is "-son" Swedish and "-sen" Norwegian? Or what?

And I'm curious about this "-darter". I'd always seen this as "-dottir". Just a difference between two Scandinavian languages again?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
-sen is more danish. But they are shared.

Where did you get -darter from? The Icelandic "dottir" means daughter, just as the swedish "dotter".

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


 


Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
*raises glass*

The Swedes!

*pauses, reads thread*

Oh, I'm sorry - I thought you were making a toast. 8)

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I'll make a toast. What'd'ya guys drink over there? I'm partial to Bass Ale myself.

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****
"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?



 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Thanks for the spelling correction, Nimrod. I didn't have my dictionary nearby. And as for "-darter," I may be misremembering the conversation I had with my friends about this. It was a while ago, but there is some suffix that begins with "d" and ends with "t something r" that signifies "daughter of."

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Nic: She's not a practicing lesbian. We need PRACTICING lesbians!
Me: I have a camcorder.
Nic: But no lesbians.
Me: Ahhh... no.
Nic: DAMN IT MAN! WE NEED LESBIANS! LOTS AND LOTS OF LESBIANS!

ICQ Conversation From January 23, 2001.
 


Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
I'm with Voggy. Cheers to the Swedes!

I think you've just become England's favourite nation.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Shouldn't there be a "Bork-bork-bork" joke about now?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
*liztaylormode* We love you too, Britain!!!

The swedish spirit-culture is rather wide, our northern plains have provided us with potatoes and turnips to make snaps with that'll make a grown man cry, and it's indispensable on our midsummer's feast, together with the herring.
Our ales and beers hold their own.
Our "Absolut"-line of Vodkas speak for themselves (I recommend a Kaprinushka-cocktail made on Vodka, wow).

(Anecdote-time, gather around, children) From the 60's up until about ten years ago, though, the beer was not-so-good. They put many substitutes and preservatives in it, making for lesser quality. Many men who had worked on the distilleries their whole life, and had been surviving on drinking protein- and vitamin-filled beer all day, (maybe a hotdog in the evening) suddenly started dying like flies in the 60's/70's. It was discovered the substitutes were to blame...

We have a fine tradition of ciders, the biggest names dating from the mid-1700's, and there are good ports and wines too.
One of the nice traditions of swedish christmas is the Gl�gg, a red wine heated and flavoured with some spices and decorated with raisins and scalded almonds, making for a really warming experience. Kind of like austrian Gl�hwein, only more sophisticated. It can be about 14-15% sometimes, so you have to watch it when you start harassing the children.

We have our christmas-must also, not alcoholic, but very good on the christmas-table nonetheless. Like a somewhat sweet, rich and dark hops-taste, without the bitterness.
We don't have mead anymore, though, the vikings took that with them to the grave. There are some secluded manufacturers in poland and estonia, but they make like 1000 barrels a year, and getting rich on it. There are, like, two places in Stockholm that are on the list...

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Snaps?

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Schnapps.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Only in german, Lee. And sweden's not that connected to germany, except for in the summer season, when they pop up here and there, especially in the archipelagoes.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
But, but they tip well. Um...
 
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
And hog the deckchairs.

You actually call it snaps? But it is schnapps, right? I thought that was almost a generic term now, like whisky or vodka. . .

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Actually I had to translate our more correct word "br�nnvin", (word for word it means "burned wine") and the dictionary said "snaps", which is what we say. We have practically no "sch"-words in our vocabulary, (only a few exceptions), THAT'S GERMAN!! Schnapps, schwein, Schweden.

And also (as I said somewhere else before), "schmorgasboard" is an extremely distorted word. There is no sch, and the o and a is � and �, and believe it or not, the dots make a difference!
Our pronounciation is more "smur-goss bourd".

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
But since they both have become somewhat generic as you say, it doesn't matter. What matters is it kicks you in the head. Sk�l! (scawl)

(Here I go again) At last years christmas season, my company went to Stockholm's oldest pub, built in the mid 1500's. They told us the tale of the REAL swedish spirit culture.

From the 1500's up until about 1900, virtually no male swede was sober at any time of the day. During the time of our trubadour Bellman (mid 1700's), your average party was NOT "get into taxi, go to place, drink for five hours, go home and sleep".
They had "battles" that lasted three to four days. They hardly ever drank water, the small water supply in Stockholm at the time was mostly given to cattle or used to produce more beer and liquor.
So the guys hobbling around in Gamla Stan (the old town) were called "Soldiers Of Dionysus". Him being the god of wine.

Even in the 1920's, farmhands were paid in "schnapps" or rum.
They were entitled (as the lawbook stated) to the total amount of about two litres of the stuff, every day. You got one mug in the morning, one before lunch, one during, one in the middle of the day, before, during and after dinner, and one mug before you went to sleep.

People actually did this! Sweden was about to drown in booze, had it not been for the government and the church taking an active role.
The freechurch managed to get many people off the alcohol, and our government installed a nation-wide company, SystemBolaget, that have had the monopoly on all things alcohol since then.
In our other stores you can only buy beer that is 3.5%, or less. But it's not that bad because the people at "Systemet" import almost every bottle and can worth drinking, and the staff possess great knowledge and love it if you ask for advice.
You just have to plan ahead a bit, don't go on a friday, after work.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram

[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited March 01, 2001).]
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, "schnapps" may be German, but that's what it's called in English, too. :-)

And I've never heard "smorgasbord" pronounced w/ a "sch" sound at the beginning...

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Exactly, it has become generic. But idiomatically we say snaps (pr. snups). I knew people said schnapps, I said it before, in the Capps-trust thread.

I've heard schmorgas here and there, I remember Kevin Bacon describing their situation as dito, in "Tremors", and I think someone said it in "Deep Blue Sea", when shark attack was imminent.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


 


Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
I heard Kevin Bacon pronounceit that way in "Tremors" and just assumed that was how it was pronounced - kinda silly considering he was playing a redneck hick. 8)

Mind you, *I* can connect myself to him in six degrees of separation, so nyah!

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"I rather strongly disagree, even if I share the love of Dick. Speaking of which, that would be the most embarrasing .sig quote ever, so never use it."

- Simon Sizer, 23/01/2001

 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
That's very good, have a Teriyaki turnip. It's a new recipe. Why thanks, yes, I try.

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Here lies a toppled god,
His turnip not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


 




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