About three or four months ago I got promoted as a manager in Marrazzo's Thriftway. Basically they promoted me for a few reasons 1. They needed someone who knew the store, like I did. 2. They needed extra managers because the others were working 60 hour sometimes 70 hour weeks. 3. One of them was moving away, so they needed quick help, so they don't work 168 hour weeks.
Anyway, when I got promoted I had no clue what I was supposed to do, and I was the youngest manager there. Now a few months later, I know what I am, for a lack of a better term, book keeper. Basically I do surveys and analyze various products. If the product suddenly stops selling for some reason, I do a analysis on the average of how many sell per day/week. I also look into the other store on how well that's selling. Then I make a suggestion, (a sale, cut down on how many we buy, bring down the price, and so on). For surveys, I put together who buys what type of product more, which sex buys this, what race buys what, and so on.
Every weekend, I spend hours in a meeting with the top managers, and store owner of what I found out. It's a fun but hard and time cosuming job. Somehow I also run as a floor runner (give jobs to the baggers, cashiers, and tell them what to do).
Now recently, I have been interviewing and training two replacements. The first one, named Bill, I trained two weeks ago. Here's the problem, even though I am in charge still, Bill challenges me on every decision. He'll go behind my back on reports that I made and so on. However because of his position, I can not fire him. Only the store manager or owner can do this. He's totally different from what I hired, he's not a team player. This week I trained another on named Julie, which she also recognized what bill was doing. Now in the last few weeks working, I am not spending it doing my job, I am spending it cleaning up Bill's work, and trying to organize a way to get Bill fired.
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Keanu Reeves is the worst actor ever.
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You gotta love when they're singing Aretha Franklin in the jail cell ...
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I couldn't believe it when they broke up in 92, but Paul Westerberg's solo stuff wasn't all that bad.
Posted by ThoughtPyminal (Member # 480) on :
I thought this was about the Replacement Killers.
I mean, wow. What was Chow Yun Fat thinking?
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Falco is a great name. I wish I'd thought of it. I'd name all of my children Falco. And my pet hamster, Hannibal, shall now be known as Hannibal Falco.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Hmm. I've had similar problems regarding newly-hired employees. In my case, though, I work in a small bagel shop and so the only manager and the new owner are much more accessible as far as relaying opinions. (Plus, I've been working there longer than anyone else aside from the manager. So my experience counts.)
The problem here is getting your boss to listen to you, Matrix. Maybe I'm too nice of a guy, but I'd avoid trying to concoct ways to get him fired through indirect circumstances and talk to your boss directly. Just explain the situation and point out that he's not doing his job properly.
Your first post said that "He's totally different from what I hired." What do you mean by this? Is his character/attitude different from what he presented when you interviewed him? Or is it something that you've changed your mind about? (I can certainly understand finding out that someone is a complete asshole and/or idiot -- the owner of my store has made that mistake five times in the past three weeks.)
Unfortunately, I think that in the short run you may have to deal with this guy. If the owner/manager won't fire him, you've still got to make your position clear, so that you don't get held responsible if some shit hits the fan because of Bill's antics. Make your opinions known, but leave the decisions up to your boss -- that's why he's your boss.
Good luck with dealing with an asshole for a coworker. I strongly sympathize. Just today, I had to cover for three other people -- one who didn't show up for work (with no notification -- they're fired, I hope), another who was a complete moron and didn't know how to put cream cheese on a bagel, and a third who was making a lineup of four grill orders one at a time, rather than putting all the food on the grill at once.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
*gives Matrix a cookie*
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
He was totally different from the interviews. I even gave hypothetical situations as well to thin them out, "If Person A did this, and Person B did it too, which caused too much of this, would you allow it?" and so on. Then I even took a look at my notes, and apparently he's doing almost everything opposite of what he said he'd do. Of course naturally I change my opinion about him.
*Maybe I shouldn't have gave the title The Replacements.*
Posted by Captain = Mike (Member # 709) on :
i was wondering when we'd talk about this.
a warning.. the downfall of my days in a management position is when i was forced to take responsibility for the shortcomings of my subordinates.. i didnt do (much) wrong before the end of my assistant manager tenure except not make sure that there was discipline in the managers below me, it was part of my job i never fully comprehended how to do.. i let them walk all over me and the whole business suffered until things blew up and my resignation was required.
talk to this guy.. instead of going behind his back trying to have him removed, tell him that he is an irritant and that you find that unacceptable. not only to him, but inform all your superiors to. you might end up looking like a crybaby, but if you present the problem right on both sides, it will be dealt with. present your case to your superiors correctly, and you will save the day. present it wrong, and you will look bad. but decide to do this because things are unbearable now.
Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
I agree. Confront the guy and chew him out. Demand that he gets his ass in line if you have to. Judging and evaluating people by their merits is a task you need to forfill as manager. It's a responsibility you're trusted with -- and expected to take.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Matrix: He was totally different from the interviews. I even gave hypothetical situations as well to thin them out, "If Person A did this, and Person B did it too, which caused too much of this, would you allow it?" and so on. Then I even took a look at my notes, and apparently he's doing almost everything opposite of what he said he'd do. Of course naturally I change my opinion about him.
Well in that case, you've got some good evidence to show to your bosses. AND to Mr. Bill here. Obviously he knows what he's supposed to be doing, and now is doing things wrong deliberately, for whatever reason. I'm not a manager/owner, but I'd be inclined to fire somebody who tried to pull something like that.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Don't try and concoct a way to get Bill fired. That's opening the store up to mounds of legal trouble if he finds out that there was an organized effort to terminate him. Even he doesn't have a leg to stand on in court, he can still do enough to scare the company into a settlement. And who knows what effect that could have on your future employment opportunities.
I had similar situations when I worked in the dorms. I was in a managerial position where I supervised a staff of desk assistants. I could hire them and give them light disciplinary action, but firing them was up to the area coordinator (my supervisor). I can't tell you how many times people I hired who did really well in interviews flaked out on me.
First thing you need to do is confront Bill. Assert your authority. Tell him to knock off his counterproductive ways and focus on his work. Remind him of his interview with him, especially those hypothetical situations. Show him in specific terms how he acting contrary to what he said he would do.
After you meet with him, document it. Write down what you said, what he said, and what was agreed upon at the end of the meeting. Then send a copy of that documentation to your boss, the one who can fire him (you'd obviously want to keep a copy for your own files). If the problems continue, you'll probably have to go through this again.
I say "probably" because most companies have a set procedure for dealing with trouble employees. In my dorm job, I got to deal with the first infraction. If problems continued, I had to pass them along to my boss. If the problems still hadn't been resolved, that person was let go. Since you seem to have more authority that I did, I bet you'd have to deal with an employee a few times before it gets passed on to your boss. However, by all means let your boss know what is going on and how you're dealing with it.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
This morning I had a meeting with Sam and Mary Marrazzo (daughter and father) about various events and projects. One of them involved my replacements. I told them about the trouble with Bill and presented evidence. They gave me the Manager Rules which basically tells me what I am supposed to do in situations and make sure Bill reads it without him knowing that it is for him. Then while he was on break, I repositioned the camera (which is allowed, which originally was used for the night crew so they don't steal anything), and recorded his actions. So far nothing yet, just spilled coffee on the keyboard that's all.
Anway, Julie is going to be in charge of him when I leave anyway.
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
i'm kinda regretting we didnt recommend laser cannon emplacements instead of the pansy 'talk to him' routine...
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Because that "Manager Rules" file probably has something to say against vaporizing subordinates... Posted by Colorful Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Not waporization. New ways to motivate them. Yes.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
The "Manager Rules" book I worked from allowed me to strip down my employees to nakedness and beat them with licorice while subjecting them to "Hit Me Baby One More Time" on continuous playback.
Then again, I was the one who wrote the "Manager Rules" book.
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
Those dern Mexicans screwed up my gravy biscuit AGAIN!!!!!!!! Dern Mexicans! DERN DERN DERN!!!! I OUGHTTA
SUE
THAT DERN MEXICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AND McDONALDS!!!!!
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Okay, Red BWC, step away from the brink, man.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Funny, I was just about to recommand that he takes one big leap towards the edge of that cliff for all of us.
Watch yourself on the way down, try to land on that skinny coyote down there.
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
I love to veer topics way off!!!
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
This is very reminicent of Andrew Dice Clay. You know, after people realized he was annoying and not funny.
Posted by Springfield Armory Snay (Member # 411) on :
The difference, of course, that BWC here has NEVER been funny.
I'll push.
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
I try to add a little humor into a otherwise depressing topic and all you do is stand on my neck!
Posted by Springfield Armory Snay (Member # 411) on :
Stop trying to add humor.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
We may jump on it a bit also.... No use in just standing there...
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
quote:I'll push.
Whatever you're pushing, I hope it isn't drugs. Or another family of deer into the path of your Deer Death Machine.
Posted by Springfield Armory Snay (Member # 411) on :
No, no deer. Or drugs. A certain member of Flare. Preferably off a tall cliff.
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
No cliffs here!
If you want me not to add humor, I can be sarcastic. Or tell sad truth. You pick.
Posted by Springfield Armory Snay (Member # 411) on :
How about 'don't post'?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Or, here's another option:
Give it a rest.
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
I had a similar cas, Matrix, except that it was a customer instead of an employee. She came in and was from Massathusetts and was wearing some fur coat er somethin and you could understand a word she said, and came to the ice cream stand and asked fer 'Bauhther Peechan' and I told her I couldn't understand her. I told her to point o it, and she said somthing along the lines of 'I want better service fuckwad' and and she stormed out of there, after throwing a box of ice cream cones in my face and taking a box of Cheerwine. This is when I was 17 or so and was working in Dixieland.
Posted by Springfield Armory Snay (Member # 411) on :
AAAAAAAHHHH
Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :
thats not a similar situation...
thats a really stupid story.
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
It's the truth.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
You, sir! Go the "fuck" away!
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