So, how think you of the fan who basically ruined the Cubs chance of going to the World Series? So far:
- The fan has been identified as Steve Bartman. - As he was led away from the stadium for fan interference, he was heckled by several fans: one shouting (foreboding?) that he ruined the Cubs chances of getting into the World series, a second accusing him of being traitor, and a third shouting about having his house burned to the ground. - He has stayed at home since then, and his house has been cordoned off by police, and a police car outside his house (hope the cop is not a Cubs fan) - He has apologized in a statement, but death threats continue to be forwarded to his house. - To add insult to injury, Florida Governor Jeb Bush has mentioned offering Bartman asylum. Even a Florida lodge owner and avid Marlins fan has offered a 3-month free stay at his hotel.
To quote a certain almost mummified guy in a hospital: "poor guy".
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, in one way, it's the guy's own fault. You shouldn't reach out over the wall to catch the ball like that. Regardless of whether a player was there to catch it, he couldn't have known for certain which side of the wall it would come down on. So, really, the guy did something pretty stupid.
Maybe stadiums (or "stadia", if you like) should consider not putting seats so close to the field. It's not like people are going to pass of buying tickets just because they have to sit another three feet back.
Now, on the other hand... That guy wasn't the only one getting in the way. It looked like there were three or four others around him reaching into the fray. Those other people are, in theory, just as responsible. The only thing setting this guy apart is that his hand happened to be the one the ball hit.
And the prevailing part of my opinion: anyone who would make death threats (or even remain angry for more than, say, five seconds) over something like this should not be allowed to reproduce, and, preferably, should not be allowed to roam freely through society.
I hate people.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Something similar to this happened in the World Series a few years ago with the Yankees, except with a home run, that a kid in the stands caught a ball that wasn't going to make it but would have been caught by an opposing player, and therefore earned them a ground rule double instead of an out.
The kid got 15 minutes of fame.
This guy is getting the exact opposite. That, and he doesn't sound like the type of guy who enjoys attention (he lives with he parents still...)
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Well, I think because it was his team that was winning, so that is ok.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
You should see this shit going on, these stupid motherf*cking people.....
Blaming the guy for the f*cking Cubs choking is pretty damned pathetic.... Giving up all those runs was his fault, right....
On the plus side I did get to listen to the hoax interview that a guy did on 92.7 WQLZ that all the news networks were talking about, and part of the interview with the guys that set up the hoax this morning....
He, Rich, the hoaxer, has a Wanted poster in the California Max, a sports bar across the street from Hooters.....
Cubs fans are such f*cking losers.....
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:The kid got 15 minutes of fame.
And a bullet to the head if he ever meets an O's fan.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
BASEBALL IS IMPORTANT
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The guy is also a Notre Dame grad... which means our local Notre Dame propaganda station, errr... local news station is eating this whole thing up. Their lead story yesterday was a 10 minute anal probe of this guy... they went around interviewing people on the ND campus: "Did you know he is a Notre Dame Grad?" "Oh my God!! Really?!?!"
*sigh*
I hate professional sports. I hate the local news. I hate Notre Dame.
I do have a big ole crush though.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Leave South Bend. Immediatly.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Are you planning an attack of somekind or something? Or are you just referring to the evil mediocrity of the South Bend / Mishawaka area?
SB isn't actually all that bad a town... 'cept they won't give me a library card cause I don't live in the city. Forget the fact that I support the community by WORKING there...
Anyway...
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Yeah, the guy probably shouldn't have reached out and tried to snag a foul ball. That also goes for all the people around him who also reached for the ball (some of whom were, apparently, heckling him on his way out). And, no, I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty that Alou was going to make the catch even if that section were vacant.
I think a lot of the Cubs fans are acting delusional about the whole thing. How many chances didn't the Cubs have to wrap up the series before that guy got involved? How many chances didn't the Cubs have to wrap up the series after that guy had gotten involved? The Cubs choked, and, instead of relying solely on that damn goat curse, the fans are using him as a scapegoat.
I really feel for the guy, too. He was cursed, threatened, and had beer thrown at him by the fans. He continues to get death threats, and is holed up somewhere with police protection. Hell, even the governor Illinois said that should the guy ever cross the law, he won't be getting clemency from him. All of this for a stupid game.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Bah. Hollywood would make a movie of me masturbating to Bush's State of the Union addresses if there was a controversy surrounding it.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Are you planning an attack of somekind or something? Or are you just referring to the evil mediocrity of the South Bend / Mishawaka area?
SB isn't actually all that bad a town... 'cept they won't give me a library card cause I don't live in the city. Forget the fact that I support the community by WORKING there...
Anyway...
Well seeing as how I used to live in Valparaiso, I know about South Bend. Not only those egotistical morons at Notre Dame, but the city itself is rather crime ridden (of course, so is Gary, so I guess I don't have much room to speak...)
Driving through there on many occasions, the place seemed like a religious yuppie heaven.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siegfried: I really feel for the guy, too. He was cursed, threatened, and had beer thrown at him by the fans. He continues to get death threats, and is holed up somewhere with police protection. Hell, even the governor Illinois said that should the guy ever cross the law, he won't be getting clemency from him. All of this for a stupid game.
I do know that the Illinois governor had considered putting Bartman into the State's Witness Protection Program.
I don't think Chicago would agree though.....
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
So, the people who blame this guy for "keeping the Cubs out of the World Series"... He didn't even get the guy on-base. And how, exactly, is he responsible for the seven other Marlins who scored that inning? And, moreover, what possible responsibility could he have for the other three games the Cubs lost?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Because the asssholes need a scape goat for their team choking.....
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
I think it's called a "cascade effect"?
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
A cascade effect?
A guy sitting in the stands going for a foul ball and accidentally intereferes with a player on the team he loves is responsible for the Cubs choking? This lone guy who didn't even stay the remainder of Game 6 caused Rodriguez to miss an out at second immediately after the Alou incident? And he caused the Cubs to play so terribly that the Marlins scored 8 runs? While not in attendance at Game 7, he also caused the entire Cubs roster to continue playing like crap?
Cascade effect my rear end. The ball players get paid a ton to be professional ball players. A little tiff with a fan is not going to throw off their baseball chi and cause them to continue a playoff meltdown that started before the guy even got to the stadium.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
I know, Sig. It's just that Cubs fans are not going to let that go any time soon. Everywhere Bartman goes, he is going to be hated by everyone.
It doesn't excuse the Cubs' pitiful performance. Even if Bartman "cost them" Game 6, they had their top pitcher and home field advantage for Game seven. The fact that they gave 17 runs in less than 10 innings gives reason that the Cubs alone squandered all their opportunities.
I do find it funny that Cubs Coach Dusty Baker was last year's coach of the San Francisco Giants.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Yeah, I'm just saying, Saltah'na. I just hope the guy has some great friends because he's going to need their support.
Posted by Brian Whisenhunt (Member # 1095) on :
Yeah, and I bet he's also the reason the Bears signed Kordell Stewart too.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Not hated by everyone, I cheer the man....
Yes, I too hope he has some Cardinal fans as friends, or Cubs fans that have at least half a brain, which I am finding is a rough thing to find here in this shit hole state.....
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
This lone guy who didn't even stay the remainder of Game 6 caused Rodriguez to miss an out at second immediately after the Alou incident?
According to some people I talked to, there was mention that the second out was made before the Marlins took the lead, and after Gonzalez's error. I don't know, I never watched the game. They say that Cubs fans were probably thinking that Alou should have caught the ball, then there would be two outs in the eighth.
But it is pointless anyways.
Bosox didn't fare any better. Why in the world would you leave your starting pitcher out like that after 100+ pitches? They should have replaced him to start the eighth.
I would have loved to see a Red Sox vs Cubs series, but due to both teams arrogance, we are treated to yet another boring World Series.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Tsk. You lot are pathetic at this. When we get annoyed with sportmen, we send them literal shit through the mail, threaten to kill their children, and put effigies of them with nooses around their necks at the enterances to public houses. And the tabloids make amusing puns on their names and/or nationalities.
Silly Alpay. What a TURKEY he was. Eh?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
He's not a sportman, if you mean player... but a fan....
I don't know if he is a sportman, if you mean any kind of mantrain type thing.... but you can write him and find out....
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I an write him how? As a dynamic player who must balance his sporting life with a turbulant love life while also secretly dressing up in tights and fighting bad guys by night?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Just shine the mantrain signal in to the sky and he will come prancing up to you.....
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Those maniacs! God damn them! God damn them all to hell!
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
That's Chicago for ya... Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
And you think he disappeared into obscurity.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I was about to comment on how people get too worked up over baseball, but then I remembered hockey's like a national fetish up here...
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"In Canada, they have socialized asskicking. It's called 'hockey'." --Marten Reed
Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
In Canada, the age of consent is 14. If you want anal, then you have to be 18. Unless you're married. Which is legal at 15 (with parental consent).
Why is this pertinent to the topic at hand? I don't know.
Why I know this information? I don't know either.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Brings out picture
Now, now, it was the guimicy assholes who brought out his name, not the name-guy himself (the mere fact that he hasn't jumped on the band wagon speaks volumes on how he feels about the whole event....)
wow... you can legally lick your wife's bumm if she's 15, in CANADA? WTF!? That's nuts! *giggles*
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