Okay, this is getting annoying. Could you please quote at least part of the articles you keep sending us to? I don't typically blindly follow links, even if I do recognize the URL.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
I find it interesting how poliece can grab a man with a mp3 player, yet they miss gang members with pistols and submachine guns tucked in their waistbands.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Unless it happens to be shaped like a wallet...
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Who keeps a wallet tucked in their front waistband? When I do carry a wallet, i keep in my side pocket. I dont understand how people keep in their ass pockets. My dad keeps his wallet there. It is overflowing with crap, and to top it all off, he keeps a comb in the same pocket.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
BJ: If you don't like it, too bad. I'm not going to waste my time picking out references if you are too lazy to look at the article. Otherwise pay special attention to the thread title. It usually means something.
Sean: Daniel is making a reference to Amadou Diallo in which officers fired around 40 rounds after mistaking a wallet for a gun.
Posted by Zipacna (Member # 1881) on :
I'm truly shocked. Not at the news though...I'm shocked that 'The Daily Mail' didn't try to blame it on either Europe or immigrants. They blame them for everything else, after all. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Now they need to find who made the report and do them for wasting police time. It does seam odd how coppers are always so efficient at responding to false alarms and Brazilians, yet if anything REAL crops up like a pentioner getting his head kicked in my a pack of hoodies or young girls getting stabbed to death in broad daylight they have a habit of being undermanned, busy with all the paperwork or just nowhere to be seen.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
I can not read it, damn server timed out.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
It's things like that that make me hesitant to join the law-enforcement field.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Edited: Looks like Salty beat me to it. (May I call you Salty?)
There was a Le Tigre song made about it, by the by and incidentally; "Bang Bang." Telling lines include "when they can't tell a wallet from a motherfucking gun" and "bring me Giuliani's head" (he was police chief at the time, IIRC).
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Y'see, here I was thinking there was some sweet new gun that told you how much ammo you had left, ordered more online automatically, AND played music. How bout some truth in advertising dude? Even a five word summation of the article would have been great.
Seriously tho, people are getting paranoid, and it's all terrorisms fault. It's the new Cold War people, think about it. Frankly I think that lad has every right to bring legal action against those officers.
Sean: If you want to go into law enforcement all power to you. If you can stay away from the whole power trip thing that everybody's experienced at least once. We need more good, nice cops that don't let their power go to their heads. We got this one cop, most people call her the "Charger Bitch" for her car, and if she weren't a cop her next job would be a dominatrix. No kidding.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
For me, it's either cop, or history teacher. Either way, I send a message to youngsters. Either by arresting their asses, or by giving them poor grades for poor work.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Da_bang: I usually tend to post the first thing that comes to my mind. That's how I post my articles around here. Otherwise, I'd be bland and boring.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: Edited: Looks like Salty beat me to it. (May I call you Salty?)
There was a Le Tigre song made about it, by the by and incidentally; "Bang Bang." Telling lines include "when they can't tell a wallet from a motherfucking gun" and "bring me Giuliani's head" (he was police chief at the time, IIRC).
Giuliani has never ever been a chief of police. Ever.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The most shocking thing about the whole story? That dude is clearly white. How did the cops not realize their mistake right away?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: Y'see, here I was thinking there was some sweet new gun that told you how much ammo you had left, ordered more online automatically, AND played music. How bout some truth in advertising dude? Even a five word summation of the article would have been great.
Seriously tho, people are getting paranoid, and it's all terrorisms fault. It's the new Cold War people, think about it. Frankly I think that lad has every right to bring legal action against those officers.
Sean: If you want to go into law enforcement all power to you. If you can stay away from the whole power trip thing that everybody's experienced at least once. We need more good, nice cops that don't let their power go to their heads. We got this one cop, most people call her the "Charger Bitch" for her car, and if she weren't a cop her next job would be a dominatrix. No kidding.
First off, you don't want nice coppers, you want honest ones. There's a huge difference.
As for paranoia being "terrorism's fault", that I'm afraid is a big load. Paranoia of this kind is usually fed by how the media and government of the day treats it. I don't recall this kind of nonsense going on (outside of NI) during the IRA campaign and most of that was with the cold war still going in the background.
quote:Originally posted by Sean: For me, it's either cop, or history teacher. Either way, I send a message to youngsters. Either by arresting their asses, or by giving them poor grades for poor work.
So it's fascism all the way?
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Well, the honest part was kind of implied, I should have chosen my words better there. As for the paranoia bit, while the news and the government are fanning the flames so to speak, terrorism is still the one of the underlying causes at least the way I see it. You're correct when you said there wasn't this kind of nonsense during the conflict in North Ireland. But the conflict didn't really affect anyone living outside of the British Isles. I think al Qaeda (for some reason I can never spell that, their fault for picking a stupid name ) proved a point on 9/11 that they can in fact strike anywhere. And that's a scary thought for a lot of people. Which is where my Cold War analogy came in. I remember my parents telling me about practicing diving under desks in the event of a nuclear attack. That must also have been a scary time for a lot of people. I count myself lucky that I didn't have to live through it.
Anyways, I'm not what you would call a debater so I probably only make sense to myself... Fuck it, I'm going to bed.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Ah nuclear war. Or as G.W. Bush would put it. "It's a nuclular police action"
quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: Well, the honest part was kind of implied, I should have chosen my words better there. As for the paranoia bit, while the news and the government are fanning the flames so to speak, terrorism is still the one of the underlying causes at least the way I see it. You're correct when you said there wasn't this kind of nonsense during the conflict in North Ireland. But the conflict didn't really affect anyone living outside of the British Isles. I think al Qaeda (for some reason I can never spell that, their fault for picking a stupid name ) proved a point on 9/11 that they can in fact strike anywhere. And that's a scary thought for a lot of people. Which is where my Cold War analogy came in. I remember my parents telling me about practicing diving under desks in the event of a nuclear attack. That must also have been a scary time for a lot of people. I count myself lucky that I didn't have to live through it.
Anyways, I'm not what you would call a debater so I probably only make sense to myself... Fuck it, I'm going to bed.
Not to put too fine a point on it but I'm British and the story at the start of the thread took place here too, so the comparison to the IRA campaign is quite relevant. The only paranoia I saw was in the form of false alarms regarding unattended bags and as a child being told at school not to kick can in the street, lest you get your foot blown off. Another fun fact that at the time, allot of them were being funded, equipped and sheltered by the U.S. - talk about paranoia, imagine if today Canada was found to be harbouring terrorists.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by Saltah'na: BJ: If you don't like it, too bad. I'm not going to waste my time picking out references if you are too lazy to look at the article. Otherwise pay special attention to the thread title. It usually means something.
It's got nothing to do with laziness, and everything to do with what may or may not be a "safe for work" site. And just copying the first paragraph or two of an article will usually get you the gist of it.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
If I want to post something that is not safe for work: 1) It wouldn't be here (it's against the rules around here), and 2) I'd be damn sure to give a warning if it was.
And even so, the title itself should give a bit of an assessment of how "safe" the target link is.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, if you think of it, I believe the 9/11 hijackers came in from Canada. And so did the Lackawana 6 (or 5, however many there were). There is nothing like finding out that you have a terror cell living in your county, less than 20 miles from your home.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
We do harbor terrorists. There was a terror plot in Toronto a few years back. I'm just waiting for the day when American tanks roll through my backyard in their quest to eliminate global terrorism. I never intended to make light of the IRA situation, I apologize if it came off that way.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Oh, don't worry. Bush will want to know the secret of " them horsie police" He probably thinks that we will "misunderestimate" them, just like we misunderestimated the Al-keyade-a.
I'm using his actual pronunciations of these words. How did we get a president that can't speak English ? I can't wait for the elections.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Sean, everyone knows that the 9/11 hijackers were gay Mexicans who tried to bring down our country with socialized Medicare and same sex marriage with the aide of Saddam Hussein.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Oh great, another reason form the majority of my family to go to war against the world. They're homophobbic, xenophobic, and devout christians,and are endlessly complaining about how the government is trying to screw us over.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Does Bush speak Spanish or doesn't he? I've heard him say some things in Spanish, and while his accent wasn't perfect, he actually made fewer mistakes than in English. But they were short things and he could've simply memorized them.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, for a person who hasn't even mastered partial english, i would be surprised if he did. I have a few basic spanish phrases memorized even though I dont speak the language. Just enough to get me by if i am stranded in mexico or something. Although It would be wise for him to learn english just incase he is stranded in some remote place in america. His approval rating is dropping as we speak.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
What approval rating?
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I spent a year and a half in Texas. They love him there. I met enough people who realized he was an idiot, but I met a crazily high amount of people who were fiercely defending him. It was very polarized, nobody in between.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Bush's national approval rating. It's like this constant poll that shows how much of the country agrees with him and approves what he is doing. Not that it means anything anyway, as it's just a chart, and Bush ignores it any how. As of September 07, it was 39% approval.
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
I think what Eric was trying to say is that no one approves of him anymore, thus no approval rating... Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Oh. Well, you have atleast his wife, Cheyney, and maybe a few more of his lackies, so I'd give it a 0.000126% app. rating
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
give or take a couple of zeros before the 126 of course.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, this election, we'll win either way. We'll have a calm level headed black man, a somewhat sane and post menapauseal woman, decorated war veteran (unlikely), or a preacher (even more unlikely).
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
That's what we said last election, and the election before that...
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I was actually appalled at some of Huckabee's platforms. Created some more strain with my ex when I shouted at her when she announced she was supporting him. It's almost frightening - like many people, she refused to vote outside of her party, even if she doesn't like any of the candidates, and all she seems to care about is who doesn't or does support abortion - and that's not even anything the President has any power to do anything about! It should be mostly irrelevant. (I understand wanting a president who shares your views, but you shouldn't care *very* much about the things he can't change anyway.)
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Strange, back in 2000 (even though I couldn;t vote, and still cant) I wanted Bush to be president because his dad was, and he should get s shot at it too. That was my logic. b I should have been slapped for that.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
When I was *really* young back in 92, I wanted Ross Perot to win because I liked the sound of his name.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
Well, in '92, lets see. I was a zygote.
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
Who the hell let you on the board, young'un? Jeez.
My dad voted for Perot, 'cause he thought he was funny.
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
quote:Originally posted by Daniel Butler: and all she seems to care about is who doesn't or does support abortion - and that's not even anything the President has any power to do anything about!
Not necessarily: one of the President's most far-reaching powers is the power to appoint Supreme Court justices. It is theoretically possible, although unlikely, that a President, or a series of like-minded Presidents, could appoint enough pro-life justices to overturn Roe v. Wade.
I personally support the idea of strict constructionist judges; i.e. judges who refuse to make a decision on something that the Constitution remains silent on. Under strict constructionist judges, Roe v. Wade would never have been decided by the U.S. Supreme Court and the decision would have reverted to the states. Thus, for example, abortion would be illegal in Utah while it would be legal in Vermont.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Well, this election, we'll win either way. We'll have a calm level headed black man, a somewhat sane and post menapauseal woman, decorated war veteran (unlikely), or a preacher (even more unlikely)."
You realize that the decorated war veteran thinks we should stay in Iraq for another century and the preacher says we should rewrite the Constitution to be more like the bible?
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
1992 was the first election I could vote in, and I voted for Perot because I was tired of the 2-party system. My wife hasn't let me hear the end of it.
I'd much rather have the vet or preacher than Osama or a power-hungry Hillary. And Sean, most people I talk/work with think that both of the leading Democrats are unelectable. Of course, that's as much an opinion as yours is.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I'm voting for Mike Hunt.
P.S.: Osama? C'mon,I thought you were smarter than that.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I am smarter than that, but I'm not above being petty at times! Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
"You realize that the decorated war veteran thinks we should stay in Iraq for another century and the preacher says we should rewrite the Constitution to be more like the bible?"
Which is why we'll have either Obama or Clinton. And why many fellow athiests won't vote for Huckabee.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
I'm never going to sully this board, taint it's soul, by linking to a video containing Tom Green, but something he once did that would have been funny if someone else had done it (but not when that torrent of freakishness did it) on Conan O'Brien was to swear in rhythm, so that the 'beeps' would create Morse code.
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
I prefer Leno me self. His head bobbles more than the bobblehead statue my friend has of him...
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) proved a point on 9/11 that they can in fact strike anywhere. And that's a scary thought for a lot of people. Which is where my Cold War analogy came in. I remember my parents telling me about practicing diving under desks in the event of a nuclear attack. That must also have been a scary time for a lot of people. I count myself lucky that I didn't have to live through it.