While it's good the world is out a scumbag, his death is largely symbolic. Terrorism has largely morphed into individual actors and/or loosely-affiliated cells. Bin Laden has been too busy hiding to plan attacks.
In the short term, this is going to lead to a lot of violence overseas, especially in Pakistan. That country, by the way, is going to have a lot of explaining to do, seeing as he was killed in a freaking mansion.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's funny to think that the whole time Obama was doing his comedy speech at the Correspondents' Dinner, he had this in his back pocket. That's a smooth operator right there.
That was posted by a kid from CBR and I agree completely.
Man, all week long, while President Obama has had to deal with that fucktard Trump talking his shit, the President has been putting wheels in motion and this has been planned.
We'll see how FOX tries to spin his "not at war with Islam" part of tonight's speach into something negative.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Not bad for a guy who wasn't born here Kudos to you Mr.Prez and especially to the Armed Forces. We don't pay you guys enough for what you do.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Veers:
quote:In the short term, this is going to lead to a lot of violence overseas, especially in Pakistan. That country, by the way, is going to have a lot of explaining to do, seeing as he was killed in a freaking mansion.
They felt surprise was wiser course of action.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well, ding-dong the beard is dead. Not that it changes much of course, there's still that Egyptian bloke who's supposedly actually in charge of the organisation. Even then, they'll be spinning this war on terror thing out for years so long as it's useful.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Nim: Veers:
quote:In the short term, this is going to lead to a lot of violence overseas, especially in Pakistan. That country, by the way, is going to have a lot of explaining to do, seeing as he was killed in a freaking mansion.
They felt surprise was wiser course of action.
Yeah- suprise was the key: so much so that we never told the Pakistanis about the mission. FUcker was in a mansion just a mile from a boy's military acedemy- you really think the Pakistanis were not supporting him?
Time to announce we're cutting aff all funding to that country- they've been playing like our friend while taking tens of billions in development aid (meaning the moey goes into the pockets of Pakistani leadership)while prividing intel and safe haven for our enemies.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Posted by Sean (Member # 2010) on :
It was neat watching this unfold on the news last night. Probably as close to the fall of the Berlin wall as my generation is gonna get.
While Im fine with people celebrating and such...I hope they realize that this doesn't mean much in the scope of things. A man who was bright enough to hide from the largest military in the world for a decade was obviously bright enough to make sure his organization would carry on after he's dead.
Oh well. Ding dong the witch is dead...
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
Maybe Bin Ladin was registered to the Playstation Network with his real name and address...
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
I didn't find out about this until this morning after i helped the GF get the older minions to school.
Navy SEaLs have to be the closest concept to Lawful Evil alignment. *smiles*
BZ gentlemen...
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I was at work when I heard about this. Way to go SEALs.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
I heard that this op took over a year from the very first bit of intel til pulling the trigger. The raid itself took about 40 minutes. Knowing the SEALS, they probably had him within the first 10 minutes and were just mopping up afterward.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Irishman: I heard that this op took over a year from the very first bit of intel til pulling the trigger. The raid itself took about 40 minutes. Knowing the SEALS, they probably had him within the first 10 minutes and were just mopping up afterward.
They were gathering evidence- although the compound was isolated from internet and even television connections in a effort to lie low, it had electricity and there were several computers seized in the raid.
Dont be too suprised to learn of additional high-profice raids in the coming weeks- hell, there could be bank account and funding information in there that will do a much more damage than just Bin Laden's death.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
The current conspiracy theory is that he died in 2002-2003 and this is just a fabrication to bolster patriotism. They say the recent photos of Bin Laden are too similar to the early aughts-photos to be real.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
So the conspiracy theorists are basically calling the U.S. Navy SEALS a bunch of liars?
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
I can't believe people are celebrating the death of a human being. It's sickening. What exactly makes us in the right instead of him if we're going to act exactly like his followers, cheering in the streets when The Enemy is dead? Where are the burning Afghani flags?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
^Somehow I don't think many New York retailers would stock Afghani flags. Even if they did, burning them would just make people look ignorant since he wasn't an Afghan and nor was he killed in Afghanistan, nor for that matter is Afghanistan an enemy nation.
As for the celebrating; while yes it's a bit distasteful and the timing is a bit 'Wag the Dog' suspicious I think the death of someone responsible for mass murder is at least forgiveable.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Daniel, thats what people do. you question human actions that we as a species have conducted for eons.
Might Makes Right.
and i'll leave it at that.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
I wouldn't say people are celebrating his death, for the most part. I think its more that a terrible crime has been avenged, and what has seemed like a fool's crusade which has cost the lives of so many people finally bore some fruit. I mean of course it's very complicated situation, and we're not out of it yet. But this is a far cry from the hate mongering that was going on with the "9/11 mosque". I mean I think a feel a sense of pride that the crowds at Washington D.C. and NYC didn't degenerate into a "let's hate on Muslims" rally, from what I saw at least.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Plenty of non-americans from many countries that have had family members killed by that nutcase's terror group are also celebrating- he was a fuckin' monster and he deserved to die.
I dont see any moral or ethical issue with celebrating justice being done...and if Bin Laden getting killed after having killed thousands of innocent people is not justice, then nothing is.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
well Daniels isnt the only one facing this condundrom. im not saying he's right but his position is not without merit, when you consider the bigger picture...
Posted by Josh (Member # 1884) on :
He wasn't just an enemy of a nation. He was an enemy of the ideals of freedom and peace.
Is it somewhat distatefull that people are glad he's dead? Maybe, but it's closure on an event that changed millions of people's lives, and not for the better.
It's not celebrating the death of a human being. Human emplies some spark of good in him. He was nothing but a bastard, and now he's a dead bastard.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Avenged, eh? Another thing I'll never understand. I've never felt better when someone who hurt me got hurt. I take the word of other people that they do, though, because I can't prove otherwise. I guess it would make sense if it did make you feel better for losing your wife or husband or whatever, but I can't imagine it really does.
And Saudi flags, whatever. You get my point. We're symbolizing a man here like it matters that he's dead - terrorism is going to stop, Freedom and Democracy will return to the Free World, the economy will recover, and all those people who burned to death or were crushed to death slowly for days are going to spring back to life, all because some old fucker with kidney disease was shot. He was not the enemy, he never was, he was just one man. Hate is the enemy.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's about closure more than revenge- if it were about revenge, tey would have brought him back alive to be publicly tortured and executed- then displayed. That's more the Roman way, than the current idea of justice.
BUt, on a strictly emotional level, we yearn for such a punsihment- no amount of personal suffering can equal the grief thsi man has caused- obviously he was amoral enough to justify his actions to himself.
Meanwhile in the real world, no one I've seen has burned anyone's flag or holy book over this- the guy was universaly hated in all cultures- sure, he had his adherents (so did Hitler and Stalin- big deal) but overall people are looking at this in a more positive light.. I've seen no condemnation abroad towards the people that gathered in the hours after the announcment of Bin laden's death.
If it leads to some moral introspection, so much the better- we, as a nation, have been in knew-jerk response mode for a decade and that's got to change.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Yeah, I yearn for bad guys to get what they deserve, too....then I realize no matter what they have done to them, no matter what pain or death they go through, they're still gonna be the same evil fuck they were and never feel bad about it, so...so what? Punishment isn't inherently 'just' to me, I guess. I think the modern idea of justice is just as silly as revenge....things are ok cuz he's "paid his debt to society"...by being in a room for a few years while I pay for his upkeep....yeahhh....the balance has been restored.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
So Jason... do the mexicans conduct Romanisk style of revenge then?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Pensive's Wetness: So Jason... do the mexicans conduct Romanisk style of revenge then?
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Huh, not just answering his question with a question, but answering his question with his question? Meta!
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I had first discounted these pics as a prank, but if CNN endorses them, I guess they're real?
i'm willing to be that the helicopter was NOT a known MH-60 varient... perhaps not even a H-60... does that tail section look simular to the cancelled H-66 Commanche? regardless, i do hope that the recoverable wreckage gets returned to us under the table. Otherwise China is gonna get a free pass at helping Pakifuckerstan when we finally leave with a healthy ' Have a nice Day- Remember: any doubt your nuclear materials are at risk and well nuke you just to be sure they dont. '...
Posted by shikaru808 (Member # 2080) on :
I'm surprised they even decided that sort of gore on CNN of all places. Some soccer moms are gonna get a shock when they realize how much bodily fluids the human body really does hold...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by shikaru808: I'm surprised they even decided that sort of gore on CNN of all places. Some soccer moms are gonna get a shock when they realize how much bodily fluids the human body really does hold...
Not based on the movies I've seen online of soccer moms. They know exactly how much bodily fluids the body holds.
quote:Originally posted by Nim: Huh, not just answering his question with a question, but answering his question with his question? Meta!
What is the sound of one post replying?
Or something Zen like that, anyway.
Honestly, I have no idea what happened to my reply- weird. I'm not 100% certain what I posted either.. We can assume it was drawn out and mildly thought provoking, full of typos and casual misspellings, possibly a linked article of some kind.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
now, of course, MY question is: 'Dirty Deeds Done with Sheep' or 'Barely Legal'?
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Excerpt from Michael Moore's "Final Thoughts" essay on the subject:
quote:For nine years I wrote and I said that Osama bin Laden was not hiding in a cave. I'm not a cave expert, I was just using my common sense. He was a multimillionaire crime boss (using religion as his cover), and those guys just don't live in caves. He had people killed under the guise of religion, and not many in the media bothered to explain that every time Osama referenced Islam, he wasn't really quoting Islam. Just because Osama said he was a "Muslim" didn't make it so. Yet he was called a Muslim by everyone. If a crazy person started running around mass-killing people, and he did so while wearing a Wal-Mart blazer and praising Wal-Mart, we wouldn't automatically call him a Wal-Mart leader or say that Wal-Mart was the philosophy behind his killings, would we?
Yet, we began to fear Muslims and round them up. We profiled people from Muslim nations at airports. We didn't profile multi-millionaires (in fact, they now have their own fast-track line to easily get through security, an oddity considering every murderer on 9/11 flew in first class). We didn't run headlines that said "Multi-Millionaire Behind the Mass Murder of 3,000" (although every word in that headline is true). You can say his wealth had nothing to do with 9/11, but the truth is, there is no way he could have kept Al Qaeda in business without having the millions he had.
Some believe that this was a "war" we were in with al Qaeda - and you don't do trials during war. It's thinking like this that makes me fear that, while bin Laden may be dead, he may have "won" the bigger battle. Let's be clear: There is no "war with al Qaeda." Wars are between nations. Al Qaeda was an organization of fanatics who committed crimes. That we elevated them to nation status - they loved it! It was great for their recruiting drive.
We did exactly what bin Laden said he wanted us to do: Give up our freedoms (like the freedom to be assumed innocent until proven guilty), engage our military in Muslim countries so that we will be hated by Muslims, and wipe ourselves out financially in doing so. Done, done and done, Osama. You had our number. You somehow knew we would eagerly give up our constitutional rights and become more like the authoritarian state you dreamed of. You knew we would exhaust our military and willingly go into more debt in eight years than we had accumulated in the previous 200 years combined.
quote:Hideki Tojo killed my uncle and millions of Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos and a hundred thousand other Americans. He was the head of Japan, the Emperor's henchman, the man who was the architect of Pearl Harbor. When the American soldiers went to arrest him, he tried to commit suicide by shooting himself in the chest. The soldiers immediately worked on stopping his bleeding and rushed him to an army hospital where he was saved by our army doctors. He then had his day in court. It was a powerful exercise for the world to see. And on December 23, 1948, after he was found guilty, we hanged him. A killer of millions was forced to stand trial. A killer of 4,000 (counting the African embassies and USS Cole bombings) got double-tapped in his pajamas. Assuming it was possible to take him alive, I think his victims, the future, and the restoration of the American Way deserved better. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
and that, i also agree with Nim. as much as i hope he's getting fucked in the ass by every mammal known to man, OBL may still get the last laugh... :/
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
now, of course, MY question is: 'Dirty Deeds Done with Sheep' or 'Barely Legal'?
quote:At one point, U.S. officials had pursued a probe into whether al-Qaida was using special software that would allow the email transmission of porn photos implanted with hidden messages that could be deciphered by recipients with the right code. "We thought this was the way that messages were being transmitted," said the official.
When you wank, the terrorists win!
quote: The official commented about the al-Qaida use of porn in the wake of the Reuters report of porn found in bin Laden's compound. A U.S. official has confirmed the report to NBC News, but emphasized that U.S. officials have no way of knowing who in the compound the material belonged to.
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Kudos to you Mr.Prez and especially to the Armed Forces. We don't pay you guys enough for what you do.
