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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
This is our website:

Russell Jones & Walker

Crap, isn't it? Awful colours, half the links don't work, it has minimal informational content - and what there is of that is hard to make out.

Now, I've repeatedly offered to do something about this. I'm the only one in the IT Dept. who knows anything about HTML. My suggestions have been ignored, my proposals declined, and instead they decided to get an outside designer to do it. They haven't actually done anything about it, and it's been six months.

Eventually we'll have our own web server. Correction: we HAVE our own web server, have had it for a year. It sits there taking up space and hasn't been touched since I built the damn thing. For now, though, the people who provide our direct web connections act as an ISP and hold the HTML pages on their server.

So you can imagine my delight when I get a rabid call from a member of Marketing complaining the link doesn't work (I hope it does by the time you all read this). She largely implies that I am solely responsible for this, that as long as the problem goes on the firm is losing business. As if the webpage is going to tell prospective clients anything but "we're crap, go elsewhere."

So please, shred our corporate webpage. And spread the word - RJ&W are rubbish.
 


Posted by JEM on :
 
I've seen worse, but for shear lack of imagination and outright dullness it must be right up there.
Its the legal mind at work. There also seems to be a very common corporate philosophy which goes something like 'never trust your existing employees to do something if you can pay large sums for an outsider to do the same job'. Sound familiar?
 
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
 
The London office was founded over 70 years ago, in London. Where else are they going to found a London office?

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Oh, you'd be surprised.

Right now they're planning to move part of the London to a new location, down the other end of Gray's Inn Road. Which is about a mile long and is one-way for most of it (the rest being the other way). Providing support to people down there is going to be impossible, and when I jokingly asked if I should bring my mountain bike to work, they took me seriously.
 


Posted by JEM on :
 
Of course they took you seriously, members of the legal profession undergo total sarcasm and sense of humour by-passes when they take their bar exams. My company are moving next week from Chancery Lane out to Docklands. Might just as well be Outer Mongolia as far as the train connections go. Not that I mind, my contract with them runs out a week later and I'm on holiday for the last three days of that!
 
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
 
Hmmm... Perhaps ya should contact Goffy?

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
I would make a comment but I fell asleep half way through.

Seriously though, I have a friend who is a lawyer and was thinking about going out on his own. He enlisted another pal of mine and I to design his site, he has since joined anothe firm ending the need for the site. However, before that time I spent a good deal of time looking at various coporate lawyer sites and thinking of ways to build his site (I also got some practical expereince by helping design the LA Times Intranet, ooo ahhh)....

I can't think of a single one of those lawyer sites that looks as bad as this one!! Who are the people that are going to represent you for goodness sake?? Where did they go to law school or what do they specialize in???

It serves no real purpose other than some middle management putz can tell some upper management putz that "We have a web presence now sir." "Oh, jolly good."

And I know a small dog that can write better!!

Oi, that is a horrid site!!

Hows that for a review First?

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Absolutely. Keep them coming. I'll be using all these remarks somehow, I haven't decided how yet. . . }B)
 
Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
I'd break my own legs on a city pavement, and have absolutely no doubt in my tiny little mind that this company, THIS COMPANY, of the finest that the noble profession of Law and champions of Justice has to offer, would assist me in suing the city fathers to within an inch of their offshore investment accounts.

Not.

Pathetic, First, no wonder you complained. That *thing* (I refuse to call it a site) is shameful. I've seen better design in graffiti and more organisation in an angry mob of rabid dogs.

No style, virtually no substance.

Make sure your employers cop this. This highlights their promotional ineptitude, and doesn't do much for their future turnover. Moreover, it displays a shocking disregard for Web denizens, who should deserve something, anything, better than this palty half-effort.

To hell with them, Lee -- do it yourself, only don't expect any thanks or free love from your bosses.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Well, the boss finally cracked. Wearying of my constant sniping (sample telephone conversation: "hello, can I have the address of your webpage?" Me: "well, it's www.rjw.co.uk, but don't bother looking, it's shite" - at least that's how I recounted it to him later!), the boss cracked this afternoon and told me that I should go ahead and do something better then.

Oh, bugger. He called my bluff.

So now what do I do? How do I make a sh*t-hot corporate legal webpage? They're definitely attached to the blue, it's the company colour, so I'll have to use it a bit. . .

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
*Doesn't know whether to laugh or laugh hard*

Well done, and good luck. You have them where you want them. I think.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Hmm, blue. Well, even though it makes it 'different', I'm not a big fan of background colours. I prefer plain old black or white. Black to look a bit trendy, but white has a nice crisp feel to it. Reading black or white off of a blue background though isn't going to be nice to anyone.

Apart from that nugget, my knowledge of webdesign stretches about as far as my bedroom door to one inch outside my bedroom door.

Still, I've always liked the format of having a left-aligned border, with links to all the important bits on your site. It can add a bit of colour, and enable you to get to the information quickly.

And a nice logo never hurt anyone either.

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 
*decides to go see what this is all about*


GAH!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I'd have to vote for something with a white background using a blue block to contain links and such.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Well, the ugliest thing about the site is the black color for the links on the blue background *shudders*.

Leave the logo where it is, but make the rest of the page plain white, maybe with dark blue text. The navigation bar could remain blue too, or change it to horizontal. "London * Birmingham * Bristol * ..." would look more impressive, like a sub-title.

Besides that, I have no idea how to cheer up such an incredibly boring thing like a lawyer page o:

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Believe it or not, my experiments to date have included a footer bar with the offices along the bottom (with changing colours when active or hovering) and dark blue text. . . I keep asking Marketing for a fancier logo, say like our plague (black lacquered letters on burnished steel) but because they think they should do it all. They love the webpage as it stands. Which tells you all you need to know about them.

There was a Dilbert cartoon a few months ago in which Dogbert is pretending to be a doctor. A man comes to him and says "there's something wrong with my elbow." Dogbert asks to have a look at ity, and the man drops his trousers. Dogbert suggests a career in Marketing. I sent this strip to them. . . they didn't get it. 8)

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
OK, my current concept runs like this: footer with office links along the bottom, silver background, navy text and links (going to the awful company blue when active or hovering), plus some new pages on individual departments which I'm creating based on links in the 'People. . .' section.

Plus I've done my own logo from scratch. . . very useful, having it as a true type font!

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Can we have a shuftie?

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Maybe. Let me see what I have by this weekend, and then I'll put up a little sample.

Next question: how in PSP 5 can I get a GIF with a transparent background?

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
You do what I did.

*pause*

"*sigh* what did you do?"

I asked someone else.

(Now that was a useful post wasn't it?)

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
 
Hey Lee, I can make it transparent for you, just email it to me, and I'll send it back

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 
Set it up as a table page Leah.... have a navy side-bar that gradiates into white, put the logo on the wite, and do side-bar navigation as well as the bottom bar.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Leah? And how does creating a table help? I'll still have a GIF with a background I tried to make transparent, yet still shows as white. . . I know I saw someone give instructions on how to do it in PSP, but that was several EnterForums ago. . . Baloo?

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
*Got it first go*

Head to
http://flare.solareclipse.net/Forum11/HTML/000094.html

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Yea, verily, it worketh. 8)

. . . only yhe effect wasn't quite what I wanted, so I've gone back to the drawing board on that one. I mean, the silver colour is pretty standard, so I've just used that as the background to the GIF.

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 
ACK!... LEE.

Sorry.... I wasn't coherent last night.

And you make an HTML table with no border to align the navigation on one side of the page and the content on the other.

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- Jonathan Livingston Seagull
 




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