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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :
 
I say we ban alcohol!

Who's with me?!

Now, this probably isn't a problem in the UK, but for us Yanks, I say we ban it.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt (Thanks and a tip-o-the-hat to 1st of 2 for that phrase) and it didn't work! When you ban a substance as easily manufactured at home, with as great a demand for (and so little social prejudice against) it as alcohol, you are really doing nothing more than turning law-abiding citizens into civilly disobedient criminals.

Heck, I have all the ingredients necessary to manufacture home-brew in my kitchen! I use it to make bread.

So what's the problem with Guinness? Try serving it at a warmer temperature than just-out-of-the-fridge ice cold. And eat something before you indulge.

Sheesh!

--Baloo

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 
Leave the blessed and holy potations alone. They're damn good most of the time, and it's the idiots who over-indulge that are the problem... NOT the alcohol itself.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :
 
But we can't have pot? That's odd

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Posted by Jubilee (Member # 99) on :
 
Hey, _I'm_ not the one who said Pot should be illegal. *LOL*

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Okay, tell you what. You can have booze, and you can have pot, but we catch you doing either and driving, (thereby putting others' lives in danger, rather than just pickling your own brain cells at home) we shoot you. Sound fair?

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Can't we just shoot him, anyway?

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Fine, you go put the blindfold on him, and I'll stand here and take aim... whoops. Sorry.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
DT, I don't know what experiences you've had with alcohol in the past, but there are many ways it can be used in a positive way.
Take a dinner party. You sit there, there are twenty people that just came from work , they feel stressed, not social. then they get an apetizer, or in my country sometimes a snaps, and suddenly everyone knows everyone.

We've been down this road before, guys. I don't drink very often, even though I'm old enough to purchase the strongest stuff there is, and I for one don't feel comfortable with going to a bar everyday after work. And many people do that.
I also have parents that HAVE had problems with alcohol because they felt miserable.
But I still feel the good outweighs the bad, if you have control of it. And my country have had very big problems with alcohol in our history, believe you me. In the 1920's a farmhand was entitled to one snaps in the morning to get up, one before lunch, one during, one on the afternoon, one to dinner, and one before bed. About two litres every day.
I share your hopes DT, there are many accidents and tragedies that would dissapear if alcohol was cancelled, but it is a part of our history. Every culture that existed have found ways to produce it.
The best solution, as always, is to know when to stop.
It all comes down to responsibility, discipline and common sense.
The biggest problem as I see it is stopping kids from drinking. When I was in seventh grade there were kids having parties and drinking and smoking themselves silly. That's one of the roots of the problem.


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Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :
 

Banning doesn't work. Just discourage, as long as you don't discourage it in church.
 
Posted by RW (Member # 27) on :
 

And I meant disencourage excessive drinking, not drinking as such.
 
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Damn Guinness eh? That's like blaming Omega for the rise of Hitler.

Besides, without Guinness there can be no black and tans! I say bah! Leave my Guinness alone!!

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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
 
Omega caused the rise of Hitler?!

I must let the world know!!

*rushes out*

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Jay: Could you clarify that? Is Omega german or did you hint on Sir Guiness role in "Hitler: The Last Ten Days". I am so sarcastic nowadays that I can't tell anymore!

(CC glancing down on the thread from his little fluffy cloud "*sigh* The desperation they turn to in the hope of keeping the thread alive. *sigh*" *points his finger and fires lightning bolt* "ZAAP"

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Nimrod:

Don't worry. I'm not sure I get it myself.

My paternal great-grandmother was German, actually, but she came here in the early twentieth century. Not that Jay knew that, mind you. I just thought it was an odd coincidence.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :
 
I will take First's solution.

And for those of you who didn't get the subtle irony, I'm using this to say that "Hey, we can get tanked but we can't get high?" and point out that contradiction in the law.

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :
 
Personal experience:

When I went to basic training, I had been "indulging" in the nasty illegal herb for over a year. Not continuously, but frequently.

[Side note:] I told the folks at the induction center, not to get out of enlisting, but because if you tell them about it first, it won't be an issue if it comes out later (like being investigated for a security clearance). They sent me to the psychiatrist, who asked me, alternately:

  1. "Do you need marijuana to get to sleep at night?"

    Me: "No."

  2. "Do you think you can follow orders?"

    Me: "Yes."

He asked those two questions several times, rephrasing them each time. I'm not sure what the point of the exercise was, unless it was to see if I'd get confused and answer differently than before. He wrote something very illegible onto a form and told me to take it to the next station. They let me enlist. (I have since seen that very document and examined it carefully. It is completely illegible. For all I know he may have written down "This guy is a nut-case! Don't even THINK about letting him enlist!"

[Back to the subject:] I had been in basic training for over two weeks when something amazing happened. I was standing guard duty, studying my little "How to Be an Airman" manual (not the real title) when I suddenly realized: My memory had come back!

This was doubly amazing since, up till then, I hadn't noticed it's absence!

My guess is that, if marijuana were legalized, anyone who uses the stuff should be restricted from certain jobs (care to drive or operate heavy machinery?) until they have been off the stuff for some period of time? How long? I don't know if my case is typical. I look back and figure I was a heavy user, but I also realize that I knew some folks who, while not burned out as I was, seemed to recover their faculties much more quickly than I.

With Alcohol, there is a large body of knowledge regarding how much is too much, and how long one must wait for your body to metabolize the alcohol, prior to doing anything requiring all your wits and coordination. Pilots have a saying: "12 hours between the bottle and the throttle." While inaccurate, it is not completely so. With Marijuana, I would suspect that the amount of time between indulgence and full unimpairment would be significantly longer. I do not plan to resume using the leafy stuff when I am fully retired from the AF, mainly because I missed so much during my burnout days. I had fun, but I can't clearly remember what it was that was so much fun.

Legalize? If you must, but carefully!

--Baloo

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
It's a non sequitur. Banning guinness makes as much sence as blaming Omega for the rise of Hitler. See. Oi.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
GUINNESS

THE PERFECT PINT!!

'Nuff Said!!!

You have my opinion on this.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Bah, you all fell for this. DT's got Irish blood in him. Him not drinking Guinness would be like, er, an Irishman who doesn't drink Guinness.

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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
 
And what would you call me ...

A Frenchman who loves Guinness???!!

A .. umm.... Guinn-enchman !!

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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :
 
I have Irish blood in me and I'm not a big fan of the stuff.

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Posted by DT (Member # 80) on :
 
Then you're not REAL Irish :-)

And if we got rid of Guinness, the Gallagher Brothers would never come to America.

Baloo: Yes, I agree, we need more research into the effects of marijuanika (damn, I can't get that Sandler song out of my head!) so we can proceed with legalizing it.

Many of my friends do pot. I've been around guys while they're blazed, and they're probably more lucid than I am. I wouldn't want them driving, but that's about it.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
And most people at uni over here do it. Well, the interesting ones at any rate. Of course, we've got less of a problem with the cars and guns while under the influence thing, mainy because:

1/ No student can afford to run a car.

2/ No-one owns a gun.

See? Easy.

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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
 
Let me count how many things of the top of my head that are illegal in the Los Angeles area that people still do anyway...

Drink and drive
smoke pot and do drugs
speed on residential streets
running over pedestrians
selling drugs
smoke
sex in cars
sex in public places
sex in the clubs

The last three only applies to the West Hollywood area

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Well, smoking in buildings is rather on the outs in LA. Now that I have quit, it doesn't bother me as much as it used to. But in general it still isn't outlawed.
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Smithers, do you realize if I had died, there would be no one to carry on my legacy. Due to my hectic schedule and lethargic sperm, I never fathered an heir. Now I have no one to leave my enormous fortune to. No one.
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
Running Over Pedestrians?

Like a criminal would choose that over, say robbing a 7-11?

"Look, Pa, there's them daggone street walkers, 'gain. Step on it!"
 


Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :
 
I remember playing streetball with some guys who were totally smacked. I've gotta say, basketball doesn't come much better than that.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Well, if you run over pedestrians, you get "points" of some sort. Er, Jubes will explain further.

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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Paraplegic Injured in Hit-Run Accident
Oxnard : A paraplegic man crossing Wooley Road in his wheelchair was struck by a truck whose driver fled the scene, authorities said Saturday.

Jerry Law, 29, of Oxnard was in critical but stable condition Saturday night at Ventura County Medical Center in Ventura, a nursing supervisor said.

Authorities believe Law was crossing Wooley Road at Mercantile Street about 11:50 p.m. Friday when the wheels of his wheelchair became stuck in railroad tracks. A truck traveling west on Wooley Road struck Law.

The truck was described as a late 1980s or early 1990s white Nissan pickup. Anyone with information should call traffic investigators at 385-7749.

See, in LA, we'll run over just about anyone. And it's a real shame too.

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Smithers, do you realize if I had died, there would be no one to carry on my legacy. Due to my hectic schedule and lethargic sperm, I never fathered an heir. Now I have no one to leave my enormous fortune to. No one.
~C. Montgomery Burns

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Speaking of which, only 11 people were arrested on New Year's for drink driving. I think the number of people who died on New Year's in London was 4. One party fight, one mugging, and two people fell into the Thames.

I'm not sure how the death's relate to previous years, but the drink driving offenses were far down on last year. Which were down on the year before.

How does that relate to other countries anyone?

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Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :
 
Drink Driving offences were 10% less this year than last year. We're obviously doing something right, I mean this is a nation that loves its drink, yet is sensible enough (most of the time) to not drive after drinking too much.

The police are still complaining though. They think it isn't enough. That is what is needed elsewhere - this urgent need to do more to save lives this way, and not just accept the deaths as unfortunate.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Is that 10% for New Year's, or for the year as a whole?

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