Flare Sci-Fi Forums: Eat the meat...

This is topic Eat the meat... in forum The Flameboard at Flare Sci-Fi Forums.

To visit this topic, use this URL:
https://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php/topic/11/548.html

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Alright. I have a discussion essay due in Biology soon. The topic is 'Should animals be used as a food source?'

So, should they? Shouldn't they? With a reason, Why, or why not?

PS-This is flameboard material, as I assume the guns used to kill animals, or the Ignorant Liberal Baby Cows will inevitably get mention.

------------------
Equality, Cooperation & Benevolence.

Vote Communist Party of America 2000.

Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :

Well, seems as how we've been eating meat for millions of years(if you include man's ancestors as well), and as we are indeed animals ourselves, why not? You certainly don't seen lions hunting down Tofudabeasts and such(Far Side joke).

------------------
Intelligence, Integrity, Responsibility.
Vote Bush/Cheney 2000

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

No the debate sure is about the handling, and you know what? I think they have a point.
Many animals are being mistreated on their WAY to the slaughterhouse, plus some elements up until the moment of death can get it stressed and frightened (bored, ignorant and perhaps sadistic workers, insensitive and noisy machinery).

The catch is that if we invest more resources in offing little pigs gentler (Personally I like pigs, especially piglets, despite not having seen "Babe") and complicate the execution-method furthermore then the price of the meat will go up to make it worthwhile, and then people buy the cheaper, less considerate meat anyway, and the slaughterhouses that tried to be more humane have to close.

------------------
So, how's that Survivor-contest coming along, Newt?
-Well not very well at the MOMENT, everyone seems to have died.
-Gee, that's bad. Those Aliens bugging you yet?
-Not really, they mostly come at night mostly...

[This message has been edited by Nimrod (edited October 31, 2000).]

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, of course animals should be used for food. We're omnivorous, aren't we?

------------------
"You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend."
-Yasir Arafat on religious wars

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Good lord, look at the ultra-right winger ...

I've got no problem with rifles. God knows we've got too many deer. Shoot 'em, by all means, keep the population in check. It's semi-autmotic handguns with fifteen "cop-killer" rounds in the clip that scare me. And that's all I'm going to say about that, let us no more mention "guns" in this topic again.

------------------
Read My Lips: NO NEW TEXANS!
***
Gore/Lieberman 2000
***
"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

Never mind that the so-called "cop-killer" bullets have never been actually used to kill a police officer...

------------------
Pilot: You're sure they were Americans, eh?
Fraser: They were all wearing new boots, they were driving a Jeep Wrangler, and they carried big guns.
Pilot: Americans it is.
- "due South"

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

You gotta fucking problem with fucking guns? Then fucking take it to the fucking thread fucking labelled gun fucking control.

This is about eating meat. Not cop-killer bullets. Read once in a while.

------------------
Equality, Cooperation & Benevolence.

Vote Communist Party of America 2000.

[This message has been edited by Ultra Magnus (edited October 31, 2000).]

Posted by Constellation of One (Member # 332) on :

Top Ten Reasons We Should Eat Animals
10. They like being eaten. Really!
9. Only dumb animals get eaten. The smart ones have all grabbed automatic weapons armed with cop killer bullets and defended themselves.
8. Because I'm hungry, that's why.
7. Monica likes sausage, so it must be alright.
6. Because Al Gore invented the steak, so its OK.
5. If we didn't eat them, we'd put countless USDA meat inspectors out of work. Think of the children!
4. The slaughterhouse is really the animals equivalent of St. Peter's gate. They have to go there to be saved!
3. Prepared properly, they don't spoil.
2. They're happier as SPAM.
1. Animals were put on Earth for one reason: to feed me.

Yeah, pretty sick, but... I really don't care. They just taste soooooooooooo good.

------------------
Everything in life I ever needed to know I learned from The Simpsons.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

This brings to mind, of course, the menu choices offered at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

------------------
love's function is to fabricate unknownnness
--
E. E. Cummings
****
Read chapter one of "Dirk Tungsten in...The Disappearing Planet"! And party everyday.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Would you like to meet tonight's special?

------------------
"Yeah...apparently Sizer is very hard to say, so they replace it with 'Is Mr. Caeser home?'
Sometimes I'll say that no, he has, in fact, passed away.
'My apologies.'
'Oh, that's ok, I'm over it. Brutus is still a wreck though.'
Then I hang up."
-Simon Sizer on telemarketers, 1-Nov-2000

[This message has been edited by TSN (edited November 01, 2000).]

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I'm at uni, and there's still a few people hanging onto their "trendy teenage vegeterian" phase, although most have dropped it by now.

The ones that still are vegetarian are almost all women. I wonder why? Are they more caring, more sensitive? Or stupid winging cows who want to be special, and then spill their drink over me while I'm dancing, then laugh about it. Laugh. Laugh. The evil bitches.

------------------
"If every vampire who said he was at the Crucifixion was actually there it would've been like Woodstock. I was at Woodstock. I fed off a flower person and I spent six hours watching my hand move." - Spike, BtVS

Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :

Another side to this argument is that feeding animals so that we can eat meat is wasteful in terms of natural resources like water etc. The figures are there, with the amount of it takes to create a hamburger, you could have 40 showers etc. etc. etc.

I'm not saying we shouldn't eat meat, I myself am not vegetarian, but I think people should moderate their intake of meat for the sake of their own health and, well, just because we'd all be better off if everyone used less resources

------------------
"Unleash the armageddon,
So all the children go to heaven"

"Blue Skies Bring Tears"-The Smashing Pumpkins.

Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

I'm attempting to become vegetarian, but I don't think there's anything morally wrong with eating meat.

------------------
"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein

Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

Human... the other other white meat.

------------------
"Ed Gruberman, you fail to grasp Ty Kwan Leap. Approach me, that you might see." -- The Master

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Isn't vegetarianism actually unhealthy? I mean, like I said before, we're omnivorous. We're designed to eat both plants and animals. If you cut one out, you're missing something that you're supposed to have.

Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :

I'm in Northern California, land of the bloody Vegans.

Most of the animal rights bumper stickers I see on VW microbuses and Volvos are accompanied by "Choice!" and "Keep Your Laws Off My Body!" bumper stickers.

hey, doll, keep your trendy, self-righteous liberal morality out of my kitchen and you've got a deal.

Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :

sorry, more ranting:

local radio station had a long interview with a guy pushing the Vegan lifestyle (Surprise surprise-- he was also in the healthfood business)

This guy argued that humans are not made to eat meat. When a caller asked about our canine teeth, he answered, "Human teeth don't look like a cat's."

yeah, sparky, but they don't look like a bunny or a horse's either.

I'm personally waiting for all those promised breakthroughs in science that will permit the mass growth of meat-like protein strands or vegetable-tissue without the need for an acre of farmland, no cow herds, no slaughterhouses or farm labor.

Until then, it's still Babe-the-Pig and Bossy-the-Cow

--------------
proud member of PETA: people for the eating of tasty animals

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

I have to say, I'm with Tim and Xentrick on this one. Mainly not because I have anything against Vegetarians, but because I think it's unheathly, and because a large proportian of vegetarians I meet are stuck-up trendy cows (that was an ironic use of the term "cow" BTW, which I'm rather proud of).

"I'm attempting to become vegetarian"

Er, pardon? Do you have to take a test, or something?

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

I tried vegetarianism for about 2 weeks in 1994. I had 2 things going against me: I was working in a restaurant at the time & I kept having dreams about being put on trial by the Phylosians for crimes against sentient life.

Since then, I've only eaten artificial food: Pop-Tarts, candy, cookies, crackers, McDonald's, that sort of shit.

------------------
"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much."

Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

"Er, pardon? Do you have to take a test, or something?"

If that's what I have to do, it'd be easy. I doubt it's proven that vegetarianism is unhealthy, but if we assume that it is, it's probably far less unhealthy than, say, eating McDonald's once a week. I do intend to eat fish or chicken once every so often (though I'd have to quit eating them first...). Besides, whatever protein you need from meat you can get from eggs.

------------------
"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein

Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

Oh, just for example, my roommate has been vegetarian nearly all her life (her mother's vegetarian). She's skinny, ran track in high school, plays 4 instruments, and got the full scholarship to come to USC. You decide if that's related to vegetarianism.

------------------
"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I'd say no. :-)

And wouldn't eating eggs be non-vegetarian? I mean, eggs don't exactly grow on trees...

Yes, I know that's a horrible joke. Shut up. *L*

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

It was appalling. My "connected at the hip" joke was far superior, nyah!

Soooo...why do you want to become a Vegetarian then Tora? Is it the killing animals thing, or is it the health thing? Because while you're no doubt right about McDonald's not being the healthiest food around, you don't have to give up all meat just to avoid eating a Big Mac.

Annddd...if you are going to eat chicken, then surely that means you're not a vegetarian by a strict (or even a loose) definition of the word?

Actually, why do you have to put a label on it at all. Can't you just be someone who eats healthily, whether it be chicken, eggs, or human?

Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

There's this little place in Uganda that you can get BBQ human ribs for about 3 cents a slab. Not to bad really, unless they over cook them.

I was a vegan once, I lived on barley and hopps for about 6 months.

------------------
Yep

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Ultra,

I brought up "guns" in response to *your* opening post, "as I assume the guns used to kill animals ... will inevitbly get mention."

I simply meant to state that I've got no problems with rifles and shotguns used for hunting, so don't go off on a tangent. If you didn't want guns brought up, you shouldn't have mentioned them yourself.

Now, back to the topic ... the only meat I usually eat is from McDonalds ... and I think I read somewhere that its made of kelp?!

------------------
Gore/Lieberman 2000
***
I'll hug your elephant if you'll kiss my ass.
***
"I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." - George "Dubya" Bush

[This message has been edited by JeffKardde (edited November 05, 2000).]

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Jeff, I hate to break this to you, but Ultra was trying to be "funny" (an succeeding, too), by gently poking fun at the way that guns can creap into just about any post here.

It was an humorous moment, much to the delight of all present.

Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

"And wouldn't eating eggs be non-vegetarian? I mean, eggs don't exactly grow on trees..."

I think it depends from person to person whether vegetarians can eat eggs or not, since you don't kill anything to get it. Milk doesn't grow on trees either, but vegetarians drink it.

Liam: I'd like to be vegetarian mostly because of the health thing and some because of the nature religion thing (but not all pagans are vegetarians). But since I like meat, nor do I think it's wrong to eat it, it's kinda hard to stop (especially if you have a mandatory meal plan). And I say vegetarian because it's an easier term than "person who eats mostly veggies and some fish and chicken." I'd like to eat less carbohydrates, too, but that's even harder since the supermarket next to me only sells one type of tofu. And tofu is only good in a Chinese dish. I tried it cooked Italian style once. It was nasty.

------------------
"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein

[This message has been edited by Tora Ziyal (edited November 05, 2000).]

Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Ah, Liam, I gotcha

Ultra: I'm sorry, I didn't realize you didn't mean to have it taken so literally, but the issue of firearms for hunting v other purposes comes up quite a bit when this issue is debated, so I chose to reply to it.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"...but not all pagans are vegetarians..."

Well, no kidding. Considering that "pagan" covers all but one religion (or, in the narrowest sense, all but three)...

Posted by Sidewinder (Member # 50) on :

Ok, can you clarify something here? What exactly is meant when one (perhaps of a cult-like religion) calls another (Christian religion) a pagan?

pa�gan (From infoplease.com)

Pronunciation: (pA'gun), [key]
�n.
1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient
Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.

�adj.
1. pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian,
Jewish, nor Muslim.
2. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans.
3. irreligious or hedonistic.

Now what the heck is going on here?

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, you have to look at the origin of the word. It started out as a Latin word meaning "civilian" or "peasant". The Xians used it to refer to non-Xians. So, the technical meaning of "pagan", when used this way, is "non-Christian". The reason I said that it can, in the narrowest sense, exclude a whole three religions, is that it has, in more recent times, come to mean "non-Yahwist", so that it refers to anyone who isn't Xian, Jewish, or Muslim. So, saying that not all pagans are vegetarians is a statement regarding two to three billion people. Anyone who thinks that all pagans are vegetarians is very misinformed, indeed.

Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

In the BROADEST term, "pagan" excludes Christians, Muslims and Jews. In the narrower term (obviously non-dictionary), pagan refers to members of earth-based/nature religions (Jubilee was the first person I learned it from). Pagan is also synonymous with "witch" (refers to both genders) and "wiccan" (used for members of Wicca and as a less offensive term for "witch").

------------------
"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

No, in the broadest sense, it excludes only Xians.

And "pagan" does refer to Wiccans. But only because they're non-Yahwist. Trying to claim the term "pagan" as your own is going a bit far. It'd be like saying the term "Christian" only refers to Methodists, or something on that order.

If you say "pagan", and expect people to automatically know that you're talking about Wiccans, you're just using the term wrong.

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Ah. Wiccans. Any religion that can create movies like 'the craft' is awful. God, was that movie bad.

------------------
Equality, Cooperation & Benevolence.

Vote Communist Party of America 2000.

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

I liked the poster though. Had that in my room before I went to Uni. But don't tell anyone.

And, BTW, meat rules. You tried barbecuing a vegetable? 'Nuff said.

------------------
"I do prefer the arse, but you can't dismiss the leg. They're joined at the hip, so to speak."

- Liam Kavanagh

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Besides, Willow became a Wicca, and then stopped fancying the very funny and talented Seth Green, and started going out with some girl who had the charm and charisma of George W Bush*

*If you support Bush, then please substitute "plank of wood" for "George W Bush".

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Hey, now...! I'm offended by that! I fully support planks of wood!

Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

TSN: "Pagan" doesn't automatically mean "Wiccan". Wicca with a capital W is a specific branch of nature religion. And no, I'm not using pagan wrong, I'm just using it with a connotation, like that bit about "revising" in the library thread.

UM: You might've been making jest, but wiccans/pagans hate that movie. They don't endorse Blair Witch 2 either.

All right, this is a meat topic, not a pagan topic. There'll be no more pagan rants from me.
------------------
"The distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."
--Albert Eistein

[This message has been edited by Tora Ziyal (edited November 07, 2000).]

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, you should know that you can't assume that people will automatically know what you're talking about when you say "pagan". When I hear the word "pagan", I consider everything non-Yahwist, and possibly even everything non-Xian...

------------------
"What he did to that walrus gentle-man was inexcusable."
-T. Herman Zweibel on "Mr. Woodrow Wood-pecker", The Onion, 7-Nov-2000

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Tora: ALL Wicans/Pagans hate that movie? Isn't that a bit like saying "ALL Christians hate 'the Ten Commandments'" (er, the movie, not the, er, commandments)?

Were Wicans asked to endorse Blair Witch 2? Because I wasn't asked to endorse Austin Powers, even though it's obviously based on me in every way.

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

Yeah I spotted that too.

------------------
"I do prefer the arse, but you can't dismiss the leg. They're joined at the hip, so to speak."

- Liam Kavanagh

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

Liam: Well, at the very least they should've asked you to endorse the Penis pump parts...

------------------
Communism. The most socialist of all the 'ism's. It's in you to vote.

Please vote for the Communist Party of Canada This November 27th.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

It's not mine! I don't dig it at all!

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

But while we're on the subject, in my experience theres nothing wrong with these veggie chicks a beef injection won't fix.

------------------
"I do prefer the arse, but you can't dismiss the leg. They're joined at the hip, so to speak."

- Liam Kavanagh