So I am a communist libertarian, such as the likes of Gandhi. Hmm. Very interesting. That was entirely by answering those questions on gut instinct.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Economic Left/Right: -3.27 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -6.23
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
WOO HOO!!! I'm a 16 year old Libertarian leftist! In all honesty. I found some of the questions to be a bit vague, so the political compass might be a bit off with me. They should have had a little check saying: I would both agree and disagree depending on circumstance.
Hmm, that survey definitely needs an 'in the middle' button. And for some of the questions where it had 'A && B', I would have agreed with 'A' and disagreed with 'B'!
Someone please tell Omega to take the score. I wanna see where he lies.
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Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a fundamentally good idea."
What does that supposed to mean anyways?
Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :
We'll never know. Marx simply said society should inscribe on its banners "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", but never defined what he really meant.
Stalin had a very nice interpretation, though: work 'em 'til they drop, but feed 'em enough so they don't die quite yet.
Posted by Isn't Infinity *G* (Member # 531) on :
Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -0.82 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -3.04
odd, I always thought I was far more left wing than that
So a bit right wing of Ghandi...but a similar libertarian bent....interesting Incidentally...that means I'm the mirror image of the majority of British politicians who are mostly authoritarian-right, including Blair, which implies I'm the reverse of the majority of the population too. Cheery.
Interesting that, so far, all but a couple of us are in the -/- territory, w/ thoes other couple being -/+. In other words, everyone who's posted their scores are "left-wing", and mostly libertarian.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Could it simply have something to do with the sample of the population here? I mean....people who use the Internet more often than the norm, will probably be less authoritarian if not libertarian...and younger in general so less conservative, add that to the fact that we probably all are influenced...if not in fundamental agreement with the ideals of Star Trek...that should tend to move us towards the left.
Thus you "would" think that forum would be more libertarian and left than the norm.
Or in simpler terms, someone in the +/+ range, an authoritarian right winger, might find the Internet, and particularly these forums too hostile to frequently participate in.
PS: You can simply "not" pick a choice in a particular category....which would count as "maybe" for those fence-sitters. Note that if you go through without picking anything, you simply show up as 0/0.
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Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
JK, you're further out there than I am. I didn't know that was possible! *LOL*
quote:"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need is a fundamentally good idea."
What does that supposed to mean anyways?
That idea revolves around a communal idea whereby persons join together in a collective and each shares his particular gifts / trade with the others in common.
I.E. if I am a shoe maker, I make shoes for the group, the person who is a farmer grows the carrots and the person who is a doctor works with the sick and injured. The doctor and the farmer should not be in need of shoes because of the shoe maker. The shoe maker needs not worry about carrots and medicine because of the farmer and the doctor. The farmer...well you get the idea.
Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
Yes. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." The translation I was given in history was "Each person gives to the community what his talent enables him to give, and only takes from the community what is required to fill his needs."
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Which, of course, either requires an all-powerful, tyrranical government that tramples on human rights; or a society where NO ONE is greedy. One is undesirable; the other impossible. Thus the statement, while conveying noble sentiment, is worthless.
As for the test, I got a 5.71 and a -2.15. Looks like I'm the only one here that believes in economic freedom, eh?
You know, I should really post a critique of this test. It's horribly done. Some reminds me of the reading comprehension section of an ACT, and that's BAD.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Better angels of our nature and all that...worthless.
*sneeze*
Posted by Daryus Aden (Member # 12) on :
Economic Left/Right: -1.22 Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.71
Posted by Mota Boy (Member # 36) on :
Societies with enough resources for their population would have no greed.
Meanwhile, I seem to be more libertarian than everyone. I don't know if that's good or bad.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
After reading everyone's responses so far, I hereby dub the test as bollocks.
Apparently everyone on this forum bar Omega is left of Blair and absolutely everyone is more libertarian. Comparing everything I know about Blair's New Labour Policies with what I've seen over the past three years on the Flameboard and that's a simple impossibility.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Here's how everyone looks, according to the results so far...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The test may not be accurate to figure out who's left of whom, or whatever, but we should be able to tell something from it. Everyone's answers shoudl be processed the same way. Therefore, on a chart like I made above, even if everyone's positions are absolutely wrong, they could still be relatively correct. In other words, people who answered a lot of questions the same will be closer together, and people who answered differently will be farther apart. So, since MIB and Daniel are practically on top of each other, we can assume they answered most of the questions identically.
Even if it doesn't tell us where we lie according to some system, we can still see who thinks the same and who thinks differently...
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
OH MY GOD, Omega is all alone in the far-right (compare to us anyway)!
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
Either way, the results are interesting, at least to compare to each other.
In relation to the British system, we are a little... odd.
It would be nice to have someone who knows what they're doing tell us how close the test is to Real Stuff...
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Yeah, the test may not be accurate, but it's fun to see Omega out there all by himself. Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Well, the whole concept of a political spectrum has never really been academically defined, but rather developed around a consensus of thought by political commentators on how people relate to others. In the US, Democrats on the whole are referred to as "the left," but if they were to be picked up and dumped in most places in Western Europe they'd be in the centre or centre-right. So it's an inexact science and nobody dares suggest it's any different.
What bugs me about this test is that it claims that if Tony Blair or a variety of other political figures were to have filled out the test they'd have been placed where they are. But I know damn well that First of Two should be considerably "southeast" of Blair based on the sort of opinions he's put forth on this forum and the sort of opinions Blair's known to hold. Likewise, Omega should be well into the Thatchersphere, but instead he's hanging with the politicians that make up Britain's Liberal Democratic Party, two words that make him revulse like a vampire to garlic.
Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
Heck, just by going through and clicking random answers I get:
I did the test. My results- Economic Left/Right -2.04 Authoritan/Libertarian -5.60
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Societies with enough resources for their population would have no greed."
But this will never happen in a Taker culture The more resources there are, the greater the population, thus the more greed there is. It's all about locking up the food.
Time for everyone to go read "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Follow it up with the sequels, "The Story Of B" & "My Ishmael," in that order.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Shik There is no answer to your response. For their to be an honest response, we would need to compare the societies of other worlds. (I am viewing our society as global with national and local variations.) Since this study hasn't occured, an opinion is constricted and fallible.
[ June 10, 2001: Message edited by: targetemployee ]
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
I think I'm exactly where I should be. I'm in the economic and personal freedom quadrant, but not horribly extreme along either axis. Basically, my quadrant is the minimal government power section, and my general region is the non-anarchist area of that quadrant.
This test needs a change in setup. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Well, maybe, maybe not. I need to tell how OFTEN I would agree, on a scale of one to ten. This is why I suck at multiple choice critical reading tests. I want to give essay answers.
Frank:
Societies with enough resources for their population would have no greed.
You don't know humanity very well, Frankie. There are people out there who want everything they can get their hands on, whether they need it or not.
Posted by Eclipse (Member # 472) on :
quote:Originally posted by Omega: I think I'm exactly where I should be. I'm in the economic and personal freedom quadrant, but not horribly extreme along either axis. Basically, my quadrant is the minimal government power section, and my general region is the non-anarchist area of that quadrant.
And on which planet, orbiting which star, in what sector, exactly, do you live?
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
>"But I know damn well that First of Two should be considerably "southeast" of Blair based on the sort of opinions he's put forth on this forum"
Well, BLEAH! I answered every question as best I could with all honesty. (Although there should have been more questions, some should have been divided, some of the wording is questionable) "Children should be seen and not heard"... what kind of political question is that?, and perhaps there should have been a 'midroad' or 'undecided' category.
Personally, I expected to be closer to the lower-right quadrant, and _I_ suspect others of not answering entirely truthfully. But I shant name names.
Let's see, by my reading, the farther 'north' you are, the more you believe in government control over your personal life... the farther 'west' you are, the more you believe in government control over your economic life.'
Well, I suppose I should be about where I am... maybe a tad more to the 'east.'
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Shik: There is no answer to your response. For their to be an honest response, we would need to compare the societies of other worlds. (I am viewing our society as global with national and local variations.) Since this study hasn't occured, an opinion is constricted and fallible."
{sarcasm}Yes, because we ALL know the Taker culture is the ONLY ONE ON THE PLANET....!{/sarcasm}
Newsflash: I know it WANTS to be the only one in the world, but it's still failed to wipe out all the Leavers. Go talk to them about such things. You'll be surprised.
And I agree with Charles, There needs to be a middle ground for some of these. I think Business is as equally important as the artist.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Amazing! Someone who's actually in the same quadrant as me!
Posted by Conspiracy of One (Member # 36) on :
"You don't know humanity very well, Frankie. There are people out there who want everything they can get their hands on, whether they need it or not."
Because, as I said, we live in a world without enough resources for its people.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
No, it's because of an aspect of basic human nature called "greed". There will ALWAYS be greedy people, short of hunting them all down and killing them. It has nothing to do with where humanity lives, or under what conditions.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Hence the need for genetic engineering Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"No, it's because of an aspect of basic human nature called "greed". There will ALWAYS be greedy people, short of hunting them all down and killing them. It has nothing to do with where humanity lives, or under what conditions."
I can think of a dozen cultures that have no concept of greed. Unsurprisingly, they're all Leaver cultures. Shocker that.
Greed is an aspect of basic human nature IN THE TAKER CULTURE. The culture that says, "Man was meant by God to rule the earth, it's all for us, so we'll do what we want, how we want, & let's start by locking up all the food."
Mother Culture has her voice in the lot of you. And to a certain extent, myself as well. But I'm working on that.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: Looks like I'm the only one here that believes in economic freedom, eh?
No you don't. You freely admit to supporting tariffs. To someone who truly believes in "economic freedom," tariffs are not just a bad idea, they are a fundamentally evil one. Laissez-faire and all that?
< randroid >
The first and only human right is the right to engage in unrestricted trade with a fellow human being.
< /randroid >
And as long as this is the Flameboard, I'm going to go ahead and say that those Ishmael books have about as much to do with the real world and our real past as the Celestine Prophecy or Archie Comics.
That is going to get me into trouble, I'm afraid.
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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Nah. But I'll glad take on the "wacko" role for that one, though.
Plus you might hit me with your "staff of smiting"...
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
"Children should be seen and not heard"
This question asks you if you agree whether or not Children should have a voice in matters. I put "Disagree" on that one (not "strongly" though, thought there were some possible exceptions for things that perhaps are out of their control).
I think Business is as equally important as the artist.
Me too. But the question asked you if you believe that the Businessman is MORE important than the artist. I put "Strongly Disagree" on that one.
No you don't. You freely admit to supporting tariffs. To someone who truly believes in "economic freedom," tariffs are not just a bad idea, they are a fundamentally evil one. Laissez-faire and all that?
Sol, you are a God......
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Sol:
You freely admit to supporting tariffs.
Now, now, I only support tarrifs equal to the tarrifs imposed on our goods by other countries. If it's difficult to get our products to market in Mongolia, make it equally difficult to get their products to market here.
Yeah, I'm all for a totally free economy, but you have to make exceptions in dealings with economies that AREN'T free.
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
Hmm...... I thought you were in the extreme on the Libertarian side, Omega. Looks like the majority is more "Libertarian" then you are.....
And yes, the test needs some fixing. I think the test is a very great innovation, needs different questions and a different format. Otherwise, this is a great way to gauge political opinions.
we can still see who thinks the same and who thinks differently...
I don't know. 1of2 and myself have a lot of different opinions and such, regarding taxes, and gun control. But we're very close on this scale here....
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"'Children should be seen and not heard'
"This question asks you if you agree whether or not Children should have a voice in matters."
I don't think so. The question started w/ something like "when adults are entertaining". In other words, when a kid's parents are having a party, or something, should they dress the kid up and present him/her/it to all their friends, but the kid has to sit there and be quiet while the adults have their fun.
At least, that's the way I understood it...
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
A party to me symbolizes a gathering to air opinions and such, like a public debate. I took it as such.
Posted by MerloMo (Member # 296) on :
I can just imagine the fun everyone had at your birthdays.
Yeah, if I had any..... damned parents.
Posted by InFiNiTy is a (Member # 531) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN:
"'Children should be seen and not heard'
"This question asks you if you agree whether or not Children should have a voice in matters."
I don't think so. The question started w/ something like "when adults are entertaining". In other words, when a kid's parents are having a party, or something, should they dress the kid up and present him/her/it to all their friends, but the kid has to sit there and be quiet while the adults have their fun.
At least, that's the way I understood it...
Dude, that's why you never go to any so called parties that have adults present. No offense to anyone, but it's as though people have their brain sucked out at age 18, cuz all the adults I know have no idea what they're talking about, and usually just go on about how great they are at everything while always disregarding any suggestion coming from a minor regardless of how good it may be.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...it's as though people have their brain sucked out at age 18, cuz all the adults I know have no idea what they're talking about, and usually just go on about how great they are at everything while always disregarding any suggestion coming from a minor regardless of how good it may be."
What are you, fifteen, or so? "[A]ll the adults [you] know" are probably just about limited to your parents and teachers. Of course you'd say that.
Posted by Jubilee McGann (Member # 99) on :
I took it last night, but I don't remember the score.... All I remember was that I was more left than Charles. *LOL*... I was right about where Ghandi was, I think.
I don't wanna take it again. It was a pain in the arse.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Sorry to nick the same quote that Tim did, but...
"...it's as though people have their brain sucked out at age 18, cuz all the adults I know have no idea what they're talking about..."
And that opinion will last until, roughly, you're 18 years and one minute old.
"...and usually just go on about how great they are at everything while always disregarding any suggestion coming from a minor regardless of how good it may be."
And children always think that they know everything, and ignore the fact that, in almost all cases, the adult has been there, done that, and bought the overpriced t-shirt.
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And children always think that they know everything, and ignore the fact that, in almost all cases, the adult has been there, done that, and bought the overpriced t-shirt.
I've had a person go on about how I should preserve his files while his hard drive's read light had collided with his disk and saying that I'm an incompetent idiot because I can't do it, without realising that it is a technical impossibility for a large company with lots of resources and a real impossibility for a small company operating out of a basement and run by me.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Oh, well, that's the most relevant example ever.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I've had a person go on about how I should preserve his files while his hard drive's read light had collided with his disk..."
Um... Did that make sense to anyone...?
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Oldthinkers type newspeak.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Unless you're Scotty, what's the difference between a tecnical impossibility and a real impossibilty?
And Infinity, not having a go, but how old are you? You're running a small company, but you're saying that adults ignore children, which is (to be fair), a point of view mainly held by children.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
LOL Shik! But perhaps InFINiTy's statement is more metaphorical? I've met (and, alas, dated) more than a few people who were trying to backup their corrupted data to me. I always suspected they had something scraping up their platters. A loose read/write light would seem all too obvious a choice.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
If it is, then I think we have a winner in the "Worst Metaphour Ever 2001" catagory.
Posted by InFiNiTy is a (Member # 531) on :
Or in your case worst spelling of metaphor Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Hey, if you spent all your time reading a horribly corrupt version of English, you'd overcompensate too.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Personally, I would refuse to take ANY form of lingual advice--cunning or otherwise--from anyone who deems Tupac Shakur worthy of sigline stature.
Posted by Jubilee McGann (Member # 99) on :
Speaking of misspelling things.. Infinity, I believe Until is spelt with ONE l? Posted by InFiNiTy is a (Member # 531) on :
Jubilee- It's a copy and paste thing, I wanted to be certain with the phrasing, aparently the site where I got it from wasn't a good idea. Shik- I used to respect you so much, but I can't beleive you insulted Tupac,that's like, that's really really bad, I can't think of anything right now I'm so mad. It'd be like saying to Omega that Jesus was a pimp.
All- Some people at this site, I won't name any names, *cough*Liam*cough, cough* enjoy using what I say against me, so i figured if it's such a good thing I'd return the favour.
And it may have been a dumb metaphor, but when a 7200rpm hard disk, smashes into the read head, there ain't nothin in the world gonna save that thing, or the disk.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I still have no idea what this metaphour relates to.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
So you believe that Tupac Shakur were sent to us from heaven to take away our sins?
I still have no idea what that metaphour relates to, though.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Well, technically, Jesus WAS a pimp.
But he was the PIMPENEST pimp that EEEEEVAH did pimp, G...
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Oh, so the computer in question had a head crash... That makes much more sense than your previous assertion that it had collided w/ the read light. I didn't think that little LED could do much damage to an enclosed disk...
Posted by InFiNiTy is a (Member # 531) on :
There we go! Well I must admit, I get really stupid when I try to get technical Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
There are ways of saving the data, if you extract the discs within the HD, but most Data Retrieval Services charge a fortune...
Posted by InFiNiTy is a (Member # 531) on :
Dude was really cheap, why do you think he hired me instead of Compaq, from who he had originally purchased the computer (warranty was out)
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Misplaced sense of trust? The thought that upgrading from a team of chimpanzees to a single blue-butt babboon would make the difference? The promise of exquisite oral sex?
Posted by Jubilicious (Member # 99) on :
*chokes on her chocolate milk*
*bangs her head against the wall*
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
HA! I made Jubes react! MOST marvelous..!
Ah, but how the simple things in life bring such pleasure...
Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Aah, gets me thinking about Sgt. Taggart's comment on Axel Foley's character...
Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :
OK, Just got internet access again after finishing uni - my results are as follows:
I'm a fucking clone of Charles Kennedy. AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Naah, I would have voted Lib Dems in the election if I thought Kennedy was any good a leader and would represent the country well. Although fully agreeing with his policy of higher taxation, his policy on Europe was a little rushed as I believe that we should wait until we have economic convergence with the Euro before we go in. So I voted for Rev. Blair - the policies on Health, Education, transport etc were pretty much the same across the board, so they didn't count much in my decision.
The test was weird though because some of the answers depended on situations rather than an absolute. Still, it seems to work anyway - at least for me. Tahna came across as not loony left, so it obviously didn't work in his case.
In all honesty. I found some of the questions to be a bit vague, so the political compass might be a bit off with me. They should have had a little check saying: I would both agree and disagree depending on circumstance.
