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Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
I told you there was a catch!!! Tax checks in the mail -- with a catch Practical reasons behind advance-refund system
By David Milstead, News Staff Writer

The tax-relief checks that will start arriving in mailboxes next week don' have a consumer-warning label, so we're happy to provide one. Warning: This check is not a "rebate" of taxes you already paid. It's an advance on the refund you'll get when you file next April. If it's an advance, you ask, does that mean my refund in April will be $300 smaller than it would have been? And if I'm unlucky enough to owe taxes, does that mean my tax bill will be $300 higher? The answer to both questions is yes. But you'd never guess that from the 1040 you'll fill out next year. It's been designed so that it's nearly impossible to realize how the 2001 rebate checks affect your tax preparation in 2002. "I think people think what they're getting is a refund of taxes they paid in 2000," said Gary Dudley, the tax partner-in-charge at Deloitte & Touche's Denver office. "If they think their taxes were going to show up lower April 15 (from this change), they're not." The "immediate tax relief," as the Internal Revenue Service calls it, was designed by Congress and the Bush administration to give taxpayers the benefit of a 2001 tax-rate reduction as soon as possible. Rather than wait for next April, you'll get the tax cut now. "Congress intended the credit to take care of the rate reduction for 2001," said John McGreevy, an assistant branch chief for administration with the IRS. "They wanted to get money into people's pockets for an economic stimulus." Bear with us for the math on how your check is calculated: The rate on the first $6,000 of income for singles and $12,000 for married taxpayers filing jointly is being cut from 15 percent to 10 percent. That's why the refund checks range from $300 for singles ($900 in taxes reduced to $600) and $600 for marrieds ($1,800 in taxes reduced to $1,200). But if you were to fill out the tax form next April using the new rates, you'd get the tax-cut benefits a second time. That's why the tax tables that will accompany next year's 1040 will charge you the old 15 percent tax rate, not the new 10 percent rate. The IRS could have included a line at the end of the 1040 where you took the amount of the refund check and reduced your refund by $300 or $600 or, even worse, added that money to the tax bill you owe. You won't have to do that, because the amount owed you pull from the tables at the back of the booklet will have already done that for you. "The risk of that (line) approach is that the adjustment could flip you from a refund to a balance due, and you really wouldn't believe you received that money," Dudley said. But before you direct your anger at the IRS, look to the folks who designed -- and are taking credit for -- this advance-refund system: Congress and President Bush. "It was not left to our discretion," said Marilyn Brookens, an IRS attorney in Washington. "It was a congressional and presidential decision to do it this way, and we're implementing what we were told to do."
Brookens points to the tax-cutting language in the report from the House-Senate conference committee that Bush signed into law earlier this year. The law said that in 2001, the advance refund occurs "in lieu of" the rate cut from 15 percent to 10 percent. That statement, Brookens said, meant "if we didn't do it this way, we would be in trouble with them."

But there are practical reasons, too, Brookens said: "It's an effort to have as few people as possible enter a number on the 1040. Every time there's another computation, it increases the likelihood of errors. "It's the way that will be quickest, most effective and result in the fewest number of errors," she said.


July 21, 2001
 


Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
 
I don't live in the states so i wouldn't get one.
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
All I know about the situation is that for months the news outlets for tauting a $300 rebate check for single tax-filers. Cool, I thought. Then three weeks ago the news outlets started tauting that $300 was the maximum that a single tax-filer could get and that some single tax-filers may not get anything. What? Then my letter came from the Internal Revenue Service. I don't qualify for the tax rebate for some reason or another. Great. There goes my textbook money.
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
How much taxes did you pay?

Me, I got the full $300. Yippee!

It's paid for eight new books and DVD's, and paid to replace my gf's VCR (which I accidentally broke.)

Now, later, makes no real difference to me, as long as I get it. I overpay my taxes anyway, so I usually get a $500 refund in May.
 


Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
It's a good thing that the Treasury had to borrow again so Bush could buy off the American people. Er, hand out cash. Er, keep his wealthy contributers happy. Er, whatever it was he did.
 
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
I get $262 the week of September 17th.

It'll pay that amount towards ... eh, maybe my Discover Card ... or make my October car payment early.

It certainly does seem coincidental that Bush barely got into office, half the country is rather POed at him, and suddenly people are getting more money in their mail boxes ...

Coincidence? Maybe.


 


Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
 
quote:

half the country is rather POed at him

His approval ratings are in the high fifties, if not higher. To say "half" isn't accurate.

And as for the Treasury having to "borrow," I'd like to see evidence, cuz I haven't seen any. It's called a surplus for a reason.
 


Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
quote:
WASHINGTON--The economic slowdown, along with rebate checks for President Bush's tax cut, will force the government to borrow $51 billion by September, an about-face from its previous predictions, the Treasury Department said
Monday.

Treasury officials said Washington expects to be a net borrower of $51 billion during this quarter. The department had said earlier it would pay back $57 billion during those months, for a swing of $108 billion.

Officials said $38 billion of the borrowed money would pay for tax rebates Americans have begun receiving, money that officials hope will
fuel more spending and help the economy avoid recession.

The new borrowing will be the largest since the Treasury Department borrowed $77.2 billion in the January-through-March quarter of 1996. It will be a sharp turnabout from the immediate past quarter, when Washington paid off a whopping $163 billion of debt.

The Treasury Department's disclosure of the new borrowing is another suggestion that the era of the big budget surpluses is coming to a close
as the combination of the tax cut and the economic slowdown takes its toll.


Los Angeles Times, 31 July 2001

quote:
The bad news comes from the Treasury Department. Instead of further paying down the national debt, as it had anticipated, the department now estimates that it will have to borrow $51 billion this quarter. There is no firm prediction for the following quarter, but forecasters see no bounce back.

Right now, of the $51 billion being borrowed, no less than $38 billion will go for the Bush tax cut, the refunds now hitting taxpayers'
mailboxes. Oops.


Los Angeles Times, 1 August 2001

You should read the papers more JR. Or listen to NPR.
 


Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
Shit, Jeff, I'd give a rather luke-warm "approval" of Bush's presidency ...

It doesn't mean I'm going to vote for him in 42 months, though.
 




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