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Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- An attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union said she would ask a federal court to review its decision upholding a Florida law barring gay men and lesbians from adopting children.

U.S. District Judge Lawrence King ruled Thursday there is no fundamental right to adopt or be adopted, so "there can be no fundamental right to apply for adoption."

The state had asserted that it was in "the best interest" of a child to be raised by a married family, and the judge said it was "unnecessary" for the court to determine whether that was correct.

King wrote the plaintiffs conceded that concern for children's welfare was "on its face a legitimate purpose," even though they claim that purpose was only a pretext for discriminating against homosexuals.

"As a matter of law, it is unnecessary and improper for this Court to determine whether the reason for the challenged distinction actually motivated the legislature," King wrote.

The decision is a setback for the men who sued to challenge the law.

Leslie Cooper, the attorney who represented the men, said she was surprised by the ruling. She said Florida's law was based on bias and should be overturned.

The case began after Steven Lofton, a gay man, sought to adopt a foster child he had taken care of for 10 years. Another gay man, Douglas Houghton, joined the suit after he tried to adopt a child he had been caring for since he was 3-years-old.

The child's father asked Houghton to take the child, named Oscar, because he was unemployed and struggling with alcohol abuse. Oscar's mother is dead.

Now Oscar is nine and knows Houghton as "Dad."

"Don't let anybody ever try to take this child away from me, because now he's, my whole world kind of centers around him," Houghton said.

Houghton is Oscar's legal guardian, but hoped to adopt him.

Wayne Smith and Dan Skahen joined the lawsuit after they were not allowed to adopt.

They are licensed foster parents and have taken care of severely abused and neglected children.

"In the past year and a half we've had eight children through our house, ranging in ages from seven-months to 15-years-old." Skahen said.

Smith and Skahen said they don't understand why its okay for them to be foster parents but not adopt.

"It's just not right. There are on one side, literally thousands of kids that aren't being taken care of, that are in shelters, that are waiting desperately for adoptive parents, and on the other side plenty of very capable and very eager very loving parents who would adopt them," Smith said. "The only thing that keeps them from one another is this law."

Opponents of gay adoption argued that the lawsuit was without merit.

"I think it has far less to do with the best interest of the child than it does with advancing the gay agenda," said Ken Connor, an attorney and President of the Family Research Council.

He said children are better off in a home with a mother and a father and that homosexuals have higher rates of depression, drug abuse and sexual partners.

However, a review by the American Psychological Association concluded: "Not a single study has found children or gay or lesbian parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect..."

Mississippi and Utah are the only other states with laws against gay adoptions, but about a dozen have considered bans in recent years. 20 states and the District of Columbia expressly allow it.
 


Posted by My Publically Displayed Name (Member # 256) on :
 
America, land of the free. Just don't be black, homosexual, pro-abortion / -euthenesia, atheistic, or endowed with common sense.

[ September 03, 2001: Message edited by: My Publically Displayed Name ]


 
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
In that case, you'll be just fine, TEL.

Sorry, sorry, just couldn't resist. You set yourself up for that one.

No comment at this time, beyond saying that TEL's post is unqualified garbage.
 


Posted by My Publically Displayed Name (Member # 256) on :
 
Like so many of yours. But hey - you'll be fine too.
 
Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
 
Yay flamewar!

Frankly, I'm sick of it. The Cardinal Rule of the Flameboard is that you can flame issues and not people. However, each and every post for the past 6 months has done just that. Hell, entire posts are dedicated to flaming people! This has got to stop. I used to enjoy discussions in the Flameboard, but now its gone down to petty bickering. There is no more useful discussion, just stupid comments like the above. I've been meaning to post this for a very long time. What gets me is that the moderator has not stopped these infractions, and has frequently participated in them. I'd suggest a few ground rules be displayed for any one who enters, but I doubt they'd be understood.

I'm done with the Flameboard from now on. It used to be interesting. Now its about as fun as passing a kidney stone.
 


Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Werd. I stopped reading most of the posts. I haven't even TOUCHED the whole Omega/Jeff IM thing.
 
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
 
You just did, smartpants.

I long for worthwhile debates too, not just "your logic is inferior, stop insulting my existence by posting". But we've been a bit polarized the last six months... That's bound to happen on a flameboard, but preferably not on the personal level.
 


Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Well, at least we're no where near the level of hostility and personal grudgery that is happening at The BBQ Pit forum at The Straight Dope Message Boards. You wanna talk about poster-directed flames, there's the place to find some model examples of poster hatred.
 
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
What's the link?
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
I'm going to shock the world again and side with JeffK.

The laws banning gays from adopting (and marrying) are pure bullshit, biased, and based SOLELY on a religious interpretation of what 'marriage' is (when we very well know that it's a LEGAL concept, since you don't have to share a religion or even BE religious to get married). The laws are thusly a heinous violation of the separation of church and state.

The "Family Research Council" would be more true-to-life if it were renamed the "Fundamentalist Recruitment Camp." Their speculations are the worst sort of tabloid-quality tripe, their statistics are utter fabrications, and their combined intellects somewhere around the mental capacity of a half-dead houseplant.

I don't like them.

And anybody who agrees with them is a poor excuse for a carbon-based life-form.
And a poopyhead!
So there!

I can even find a Conservative reason for siding! *Ahem*
"This law is a prime example of government interference in American citizens' personal lives, and thusly must be eliminated!"

Government off your backs, and out of your bedrooms. First of Two for Emperor in 2008.
(This message has been paid for by The Friends of First Foundation)

[ September 04, 2001: Message edited by: First of Two ]


 
Posted by G.K Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
 
End of story, beginning of turnip. And paddles. And naked.
 
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
and side with JeffK

Hmmm. I just got a collect call from Hell. The Devil wants to let you know that he isn't happy: apparently, it's snowing down there and he fractured his hip when he slipped on frozen fire.
 


Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
 
Hehehehe.......
 
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
I just got a collect call from Hell.

And you accepted the charges?
 


Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
Well, it's not often that Hell calls up.
 
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
 
Doesn't Hell call everyday the US Capital building?
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
Really? I get two or three phone calls from Hell every day. I get five of them on Sundays, though.
 
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
Although its a common misconception, The Devil doesn't actually consider "Texas" as part of Hell. However, your misunderstanding is well understood.
 
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
Returning to topic for a moment, I intended to ask Janet Reno her thoughts on this tonight, but I was 2 people away from the mic when they announced it would be the last question. Damn.
 
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
quote:
Although its a common misconception, The Devil doesn't actually consider "Texas" as part of Hell.

Well, if I were a Texan I guess I'd be pretty insulted here. Wait a second... you bastard! Texas is too a part of hell! We're the fabled 10th Circle!
 


Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
I thought that was Corpadverticus...
 
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
No, no, it's certainly Texas.
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Simonists?! You mean those of us who have made reference to the mighty Sizer's mightier endowment are doomed?! *practices wailing and writhing in eternal torment*
 
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Don't forget to gnash your teeth, now.
 
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
 
Well, I wasn't sure how to do that, but maybe you can give me a few pointers; after all, who better to instruct me than the bestselling author of Damnation, and How to Achieve It? 8)
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
We ALL get phone calls from Hell. Who do you think INVENTED telemarketing?
 
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
 
I had a telemarketing Job.

Therefore, by implication, I must be a disciple of hell.

Bow before me, Flare Minions
 


Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
If you *had* a telemarketing job, then you *were* a disciple of hell. Therefore, you are not anymore.
 
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Damnation, and How to Achieve It

I think you mean "How to Avoid It", Lee.
 


Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
Supposeingly if you dial twelve "1" at midnight, you can phone straight to hell.
 
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
 
You've tried this, I assume?
 


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