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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Tonight's address to Congress was eloquently-delivered, well-written, and managed reasonably well to walk the fine line between diplomacy and passion. He has given me cause to grant him respect.
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
[Vaderspeak] Impressive... most impressive. [/Vaderspeak]

I heard somebody (Peter Jennings?) call the speech very close to what FDR said during his declaration of war. Including that bit about 'not open for negotiation.'

But Jennings goofed in his comments immediately after the speech, when he said that Bush said that other countries 'are with the United States or against it.' No, Bush said "Us," and it was pretty clear that he included all the nations that were standing together against terrorism, and especially the UK.

That bit with the firefighter's badge was really stirring.

And my state's governor is going to head up home defense!
 


Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Good speech. He didn't include communism in the list of discarded, failed philosophies, but I suppose it wouldn't have been politik, what with the Chinese and all. I didn't expect the show of unity by the Democrats. Kudos.
 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
It was a very good speech.

(edit: d'oh!)

[ September 20, 2001: Message edited by: Sol System ]


 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I saw part of it. Then I got supremely annoyed by the audience of morons who can't go two minutes w/o staning up and clapping, so I stopped watching.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I too liked the speech.

You didn't expect the support of the Democrats Omega? That's right, they've only been saying "we're fully 100% behind our President" every possible opportunity for the past nine days just so they could boo him tonight. And did you miss my "Kudos to Bush" thread? (Not an attack, just a curiousity...)

Although, I have to say, no speech ever will be able to surpass FDR's "Day of Infamy" speech.

Anyhoo, for those who missed the speech, courtesy of The Washington Post:

quote:
Mr. Speaker, Mr. President Pro Tempore, members of Congress, and fellow Americans, in the normal course of events, presidents come to this chamber to report on the state of the union. Tonight, no such report is needed; it has already been delivered by the American people.

We have seen it in the courage of passengers who rushed terrorists to save others on the ground. Passengers like an exceptional man named Todd Beamer. And would you please help me welcome his wife Lisa Beamer here tonight?

(APPLAUSE)

We have seen the state of our union in the endurance of rescuers working past exhaustion.

We've seen the unfurling of flags, the lighting of candles, the giving of blood, the saying of prayers in English, Hebrew and Arabic.

We have seen the decency of a loving and giving people who have made the grief of strangers their own.

My fellow citizens, for the last nine days, the entire world has seen for itself the state of union, and it is strong.

(APPLAUSE)

Tonight, we are a country awakened to danger and called to defend freedom. Our grief has turned to anger and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.

(APPLAUSE)

I thank the Congress for its leadership at such an important time.

All of America was touched on the evening of the tragedy to see Republicans and Democrats joined together on the steps of this Capitol singing ``God Bless America.''

And you did more than sing. You acted, by delivering $40 billion to rebuild our communities and meet the needs of our military. Speaker Hastert, Minority Leader Gephardt, Majority Leader Daschle and Senator Lott, I thank you for your friendship, for your leadership and for your service to our country.

(APPLAUSE)

And on behalf of the American people, I thank the world for its outpouring of support.

America will never forget the sounds of our national anthem playing at Buckingham Palace, on the streets of Paris and at Berlin's Brandenburg Gate.

We will not forget South Korean children gathering to pray outside our embassy in Seoul, or the prayers of sympathy offered at a mosque in Cairo.

We will not forget moments of silence and days of mourning in Australia and Africa and Latin America.

Nor will we forget the citizens of 80 other nations who died with our own. Dozens of Pakistanis, more than 130 Israelis, more than 250 citizens of India, men and women from El Salvador, Iran, Mexico and Japan, and hundreds of British citizens.

America has no truer friend than Great Britain.

(APPLAUSE)

Once again, we are joined together in a great cause.

I'm so honored the British prime minister had crossed an ocean to show his unity with America.

Thank you for coming, friend.

(APPLAUSE)

On September the 11th, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country. Americans have known wars, but for the past 136 years they have been wars on foreign soil, except for one Sunday in 1941. Americans have known the casualties of war, but not at the center of a great city on a peaceful morning.

Americans have known surprise attacks, but never before on thousands of civilians.

All of this was brought upon us in a single day, and night fell on a different world, a world where freedom itself is under attack.

Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking, ``Who attacked our country?''

The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al Qaeda. They are some of the murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya and responsible for bombing the USS Cole.

(My note: The Cole very recently finished -- after the attack -- repairs and was re-launched)

Al Qaeda is to terror what the Mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money, its goal is remaking the world and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere.

The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics; a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam.

The terrorists' directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans and make no distinctions among military and civilians, including women and children.

This group and its leader, a person named Osama bin Laden, are linked to many other organizations in different countries, including the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

There are thousands of these terrorists in more than 60 countries.

They are recruited from their own nations and neighborhoods and brought to camps in places like Afghanistan where they are trained in the tactics of terror. They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction.

The leadership of Al Qaeda has great influence in Afghanistan and supports the Taliban regime in controlling most of that country. In Afghanistan we see Al Qaeda's vision for the world. Afghanistan's people have been brutalized, many are starving and many have fled.

Women are not allowed to attend school. You can be jailed for owning a television. Religion can be practiced only as their leaders dictate. A man can be jailed in Afghanistan if his beard is not long enough.

The United States respects the people of Afghanistan--after all, we are currently its largest source of humanitarian aid--but we condemn the Taliban regime.

(APPLAUSE)

It is not only repressing its own people, it is threatening people everywhere by sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists.

By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder. And tonight the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban.

Deliver to United States authorities all of the leaders of Al Quaeda who hide in your land.

(APPLAUSE)

Release all foreign nationals, including American citizens you have unjustly imprisoned. Protect foreign journalists, diplomats and aid workers in your country. Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. And hand over every terrorist and every person and their support structure to appropriate authorities.

(APPLAUSE)

Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps, so we can make sure they are no longer operating.

These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion.

(APPLAUSE)

The Taliban must act and act immediately.

They will hand over the terrorists or they will share in their fate.

I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.

(APPLAUSE)

The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.

The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.

(APPLAUSE)

Our war on terror begins with Al Qaeda, but it does not end there.

It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.

(APPLAUSE)

Americans are asking ``Why do they hate us?''

They hate what they see right here in this chamber: a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.

They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa.

These terrorists kill not merely to end lives, but to disrupt and end a way of life. With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us because we stand in their way.

We're not deceived by their pretenses to piety.

We have seen their kind before. They're the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the 20th century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions, by abandoning every value except the will to power, they follow in the path of fascism, Nazism and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way to where it ends in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies.

(APPLAUSE)

Americans are asking, "How will we fight and win this war?''

We will direct every resource at our command--every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war--to the destruction and to the defeat of the global terror network.

Now, this war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.

Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes visible on TV and covert operations secret even in success.

We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place until there is no refuge or no rest.

And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation in every region now has a decision to make: Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists.

(APPLAUSE)

From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. Our nation has been put on notice, we're not immune from attack. We will take defensive measures against terrorism to protect Americans.

Today, dozens of federal departments and agencies, as well as state and local governments, have responsibilities affecting homeland security.

These efforts must be coordinated at the highest level. So tonight, I announce the creation of a Cabinet-level position reporting directly to me, the Office of Homeland Security.

And tonight, I also announce a distinguished American to lead this effort, to strengthen American security: a military veteran, an effective governor, a true patriot, a trusted friend, Pennsylvania's Tom Ridge.

(APPLAUSE)

He will lead, oversee and coordinate a comprehensive national strategy to safeguard our country against terrorism and respond to any attacks that may come.

These measures are essential. The only way to defeat terrorism as a threat to our way of life is to stop it, eliminate it and destroy it where it grows.

(APPLAUSE)

Many will be involved in this effort, from FBI agents, to intelligence operatives, to the reservists we have called to active duty. All deserve our thanks, and all have our prayers.

And tonight a few miles from the damaged Pentagon, I have a message for our military: Be ready. I have called the armed forces to alert, and there is a reason.

The hour is coming when America will act, and you will make us proud.

This is not, however, just America's fight. And what is at stake is not just America's freedom.

This is the world's fight. This is civilization's fight. This is the fight of all who believe in progress and pluralism, tolerance and freedom.

We ask every nation to join us. We will ask and we will need the help of police forces, intelligence service and banking systems around the world. The United States is grateful that many nations and many international organizations have already responded with sympathy and with support--nations from Latin America to Asia to Africa to Europe to the Islamic world.

Perhaps the NATO charter reflects best the attitude of the world: An attack on one is an attack on all. The civilized world is rallying to America's side.

They understand that if this terror goes unpunished, their own cities, their own citizens may be next. Terror unanswered can not only bring down buildings, it can threaten the stability of legitimate governments.

And you know what? We're not going to allow it.

(APPLAUSE)

Americans are asking, ``What is expected of us?''

I ask you to live your lives and hug your children.

I know many citizens have fears tonight, and I ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a continuing threat.

I ask you to uphold the values of America and remember why so many have come here.

We're in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them. No one should be singled out for unfair treatment or unkind words because of their ethnic background or religious faith.

(APPLAUSE)

I ask you to continue to support the victims of this tragedy with your contributions. Those who want to give can go to a central source of information, Libertyunites.org, to find the names of groups providing direct help in New York, Pennsylvania and Virginia.

The thousands of FBI agents who are now at work in this investigation may need your cooperation, and I ask you to give it. I ask for your patience with the delays and inconveniences that may accompany tighter security and for your patience in what will be a long struggle.

I ask your continued participation and confidence in the American economy. Terrorists attacked a symbol of American prosperity; they did not touch its source.

America is successful because of the hard work and creativity and enterprise of our people. These were the true strengths of our economy before September 11, and they are our strengths today.

And finally, please continue praying for the victims of terror and their families, for those in uniform and for our great country. Prayer has comforted us in sorrow and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.

Tonight I thank my fellow Americans for what you have already done and for what you will do.

And ladies and gentlemen of the Congress, I thank you, their representatives, for what you have already done and for what we will do together.

Tonight we face new and sudden national challenges.

We will come together to improve air safety, to dramatically expand the number of air marshals on domestic flights and take new measures to prevent hijacking.

We will come together to promote stability and keep our airlines flying with direct assistance during this emergency.

(APPLAUSE)

We will come together to give law enforcement the additional tools it needs to track down terror here at home.

(APPLAUSE)

We will come together to strengthen our intelligence capabilities to know the plans of terrorists before they act and to find them before they strike.

(APPLAUSE)

We will come together to take active steps that strengthen America's economy and put our people back to work.

Tonight, we welcome two leaders who embody the extraordinary spirit of all New Yorkers, Governor George Pataki and Mayor Rudolf Giuliani.

(APPLAUSE)

As a symbol of America's resolve, my administration will work with Congress and these two leaders to show the world that we will rebuild New York City.

(APPLAUSE)

After all that has just passed, all the lives taken and all the possibilities and hopes that died with them, it is natural to wonder if America's future is one of fear.

Some speak of an age of terror. I know there are struggles ahead and dangers to face. But this country will define our times, not be defined by them.

As long as the United States of America is determined and strong, this will not be an age of terror. This will be an age of liberty here and across the world.

(APPLAUSE)

Great harm has been done to us. We have suffered great loss. And in our grief and anger we have found our mission and our moment.

Freedom and fear are at war. The advance of human freedom, the great achievement of our time and the great hope of every time, now depends on us.

Our nation, this generation, will lift the dark threat of violence from our people and our future. We will rally the world to this cause by our efforts, by our courage. We will not tire, we will not falter and we will not fail.

(APPLAUSE)

It is my hope that in the months and years ahead life will return almost to normal. We'll go back to our lives and routines and that is good.

Even grief recedes with time and grace.

But our resolve must not pass. Each of us will remember what happened that day and to whom it happened. We will remember the moment the news came, where we were and what we were doing.

Some will remember an image of a fire or story or rescue. Some will carry memories of a face and a voice gone forever.

And I will carry this. It is the police shield of a man named George Howard who died at the World Trade Center trying to save others.

It was given to me by his mom, Arlene (ph), as a proud memorial to her son. It is my reminder of lives that ended and a task that does not end.

(APPLAUSE)

I will not forget the wound to our country and those who inflicted it. I will not yield, I will not rest, I will not relent in waging this struggle for freedom and security for the American people.

The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.

(APPLAUSE)

Fellow citizens, we'll meet violence with patient justice, assured of the rightness of our cause and confident of the victories to come.

In all that lies before us, may God grant us wisdom and may he watch over the United States of America.

Thank you.

(APPLAUSE)


And now ...

quote:
He didn't include communism in the list of discarded, failed philosophies

Marxist Communism (as has been pointed out to you on many occasions) has never been practiced. Therefore, it cannot have failed.

And who edited my signature? ::grumble::

[ September 20, 2001: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]


 
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
For the love of a girl, you could justlink to it.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Oh.

Yeah.
 


Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
"Office of Homeland Security?"

(sniff, sniff) Smells like Nightwatch to me. I quit. It's off to Iceland I go.
 


Posted by IDIC (Member # 256) on :
 
If only he had written the speech himself.

If only those who did prepare it had left out the bits about god.
 


Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
 
Good speech. He didn't include communism in the list of discarded, failed philosophies, but I suppose it wouldn't have been politik, what with the Chinese and all. I didn't expect the show of unity by the Democrats. Kudos.

Communism.

Chinese.

Democrats.

Oi..........

[ September 21, 2001: Message edited by: Tahna Los ]


 
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
If only he had written the speech himself.

...then he wouldn't have had time to do his job.

If only those who did prepare it had left out the bits about god.

...then... what? You seem to be implying something bad will happen because he didn't.
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Well, let's just hope when we get a Muslim president, and he says "Allah bless us" that people don't freak out because they think he's pushing his religion over theirs.
 
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
 
Hey, he mentioned Allah twice, didn't he? And in the same tone as we use to talk about those who committ evil in God's name blaspheming God.

Hey, I can say 'God' too, and the world doesn't end.

Although I was NOT suprised by the Democrats' nonpartisan support (except for that one CA senator who voted 'nay')... didja get a load of the expressions on Hillary's face during the speech? Yeesh!

I think more mentions should have been made of the courage of the police and firefighters in NY. That's the sum of my griping.
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
Hey, he mentioned Allah twice, didn't he?

To be honest, I didn't count, but I think what IDIC is going for, is that in his speech, President Bush stressed that this nation has no state-religion, and welcomes all religions ...

And then ends his speech with "God bless" or something similar. Doesn't really fill you with confidence that this is a secular nation, does it? Just a thought.

quote:
didja get a load of the expressions on Hillary's face during the speech?

No, I listened to it on the radio.

It's a wonderful thing when we can have a politician vote against the main sway and not be called a traitor by rational adults (except for Rush, but, wait, nevermind, I said rational).

Although its very interesting the "liberal" media hasn't said word one about the $48 million Bush gave the Taliban in May.

[ September 23, 2001: Message edited by: Malnurtured Snay ]


 
Posted by Tahna Los (Member # 33) on :
 
[WHINE&RANT]GRRRRR. Bush forgot to mention CANADA in that address. And after all the supplies and manpower we sent to New York. And not even a thank you.[/WHINE&RANT]
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, he mentioned Great Britain. It wouldn't make sense if he meant that island itself, so he was probably referring to the British Empire. So, he had you covered. :-)
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
quote:
didja get a load of the expressions on Hillary's face during the speech? Yeesh!

Yes, I did. And now, because of that, it's possible that any credibility she might have had to win the presidency in 2004 is gone.

Don't everyone cry at once.
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
Yes, I did. And now, because of that, it's possible that any credibility she might have had to win the presidency in 2004 is gone.

Except she made it very clear to most people (you, apparently, an exception) that she would fulfill her elected role as Senator, and not leave that position early for another political spot (similar to the promise Bush made when running for re-election as Governor of Texas ... except, he broke it).
 


Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
I'm sorry here, but could someone please explain to me what a Hillary Clinton's facial expression has to do with the price Jeff pays for gas for his Jeep?

Or what Hillary Clinton's facial expressions has to do with anything for that matter?
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
with the price Jeff pays for gas for his Jeep?

Uhhh ... did gas get mentioned at all?
 


Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
The expression usually is what does X have to do with the price of tea in China, but I just wanted to make it more personal.
 
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Ah, I see.
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
quote:
Except she made it very clear to most people (you, apparently, an exception) that she would fulfill her elected role as Senator, and not leave that position early for another political spot

Everyone who believes that, stand on their heads...

quote:
Or what Hillary Clinton's facial expressions has to do with anything for that matter?

Almost every time the camera was on her, she was either a)rudely talking while everyone else was trying to listen to Bush's speech, or b)making facial expressions to the effect of "I really don't want to be here." At least that's what I got out of it.
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
Everyone who believes that, stand on their heads...

If she doesn't throw her name into the pot (what is it, two years?), I expect to see you stand on your head.
 


Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Ok, now bear with me. I just want to make sure that I got this.

The camera pans over the crowd and as a result every so often...most defiantly not all the time mind you...catches a glimpse of the junior senator from New York. I think the camera even caught the senior senator from New York and quite possibly even the representative from the 3rd Congressional District on New Hampshire.

Anyway, people want to give great import to the screen grabs that caught the occasioned glimpse of Hillary Clinton, still just the junior senator from New York.

Why? Because she's Hillary Clinton.

Does it mean anything? Naw. None of us can read minds. But what they hay, let suppose and conjecture with no evidence. Heck, I even saw that El Rusho made a big deal about this on his web page so it must have some importance.

Or, maybe is doesn't mean a single stinking thing.

And anyway, I think Bush looks dazed and confused all the time with his classic "deer in Jeff's headlights" thing. So if looks matter, man are we in trouble.
 


Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
quote:
"deer in Jeff's headlights"

Oh, Jesus Christ ... if I ever hit another deer, I'm never telling any of you about it, ever!
 


Posted by Jay the Obscure (Member # 19) on :
 
Come now, that was funny.
 


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